Sabbath Obligation?

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posthuman

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I fully agree!

However the (Church) is the (Israel) of God.

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
I don't know if you read what you posted, but it doesn't say the church is Israel. It says not every fleshly descendent of Jacob is counted as children of His promise to Israel.

What day did Christ rise?
 

Truth7t7

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The early Church met on the first day of the week, which today would be "Sunday morning". Do you have a biblical case against this?

As for Christmas and Easter, what would I care what pagans celebrate? I celebrate the Incarnation and the Resurrection. Do you have a biblical case against celebrating those events?
There is absolutely no biblical instruction to celebrate the Lord's resurrection or birth.

Both being of pagan origin as explained, was Jesus Christ born on Dec 25th, of course not (A Lie)

Easter: Pagan fertility rites, Vernal Equinox

Christmas: Pagan rebirth of the sun, winter solstice.

Sunday: Pagan day of the sun worshippers, at lest the pagan Romans named the day correctly, in honor of their God the (Sun)

The only instruction given to the church was to remember the (Death) of Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 11:23-26KJV

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
 

Truth7t7

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The early Church met on the first day of the week, which today would be "Sunday morning". Do you have a biblical case against this?

As for Christmas and Easter, what would I care what pagans celebrate? I celebrate the Incarnation and the Resurrection. Do you have a biblical case against celebrating those events?
The early church in Jerusalem was established on the 7th day Sabbath as clearly shown below.

Acts 13:42-44KJV

42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
 

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Are you suggesting the 10 commandments are no longer in effect today?

Keep My Commandments :)

Jesus Christ Is The Great (I Am) That Delivered The 10 Commandments To Moses.

John 14:12-21KJV
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jesus Christ Upheld The 10 Commandments, Just One Example Below.

Matthew 15:4-9KJV
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
First actually respond to my post before spewing your legalism.
Then answer me, "What are Jesus Commandments?"
 

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You (Falsely) suggest that Romans 9:6-8 below applies exclusively to (Jews) of the flesh?
I can't have a conversation with someone who twists my words. No, that is not what I said, go back and reread my post.
 

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The reason I mentioned Emperor Constatine in 321 AD, is that he mandated by Roman (Law) the observance of (Sunday)
The only reason Constantine mandated the first day of the week (called Sunday by pagans and the Lord's Day by Christians), is because IT WAS ALREADY the Christian sabbath by the time Constantine took power. We see from the writings of Justin Martyr (2nd century) that the first day of the week was fully established as the day for Christian worship, rest, and good works.

Justin Martyr -- First Apology, Chapter 67
(translation by Roberts and Donaldson)
http://www.logoslibrary.org/justin/apology1/67.html

CHRISTIAN CHARITY FOLLOWED THE JERUSALEM CHURCH
And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost.

SUNDAY WORSHIP FOLLOWED THE NEW TESTAMENT PATTERN
And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things.

Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons.

And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need.

But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.
 

Truth7t7

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First actually respond to my post before spewing your legalism.
Then answer me, "What are Jesus Commandments?"
Jesus Christ is Lord Of the Old Testament, he gave Moses the 10 commandments, yes these commandments have never been removed it replaced.
 

Truth7t7

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The only reason Constantine mandated the first day of the week (called Sunday by pagans and the Lord's Day by Christians), is because IT WAS ALREADY the Christian sabbath by the time Constantine took power. We see from the writings of Justin Martyr (2nd century) that the first day of the week was fully established as the day for Christian worship, rest, and good works.

Justin Martyr -- First Apology, Chapter 67
(translation by Roberts and Donaldson)
http://www.logoslibrary.org/justin/apology1/67.html

CHRISTIAN CHARITY FOLLOWED THE JERUSALEM CHURCH
And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost.

SUNDAY WORSHIP FOLLOWED THE NEW TESTAMENT PATTERN
And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things.

Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons.

And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need.

But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.
There is no question (Sunday) worship pre-existed before Constatine in 321 AD, however he established observance of this day as mandated (Law) at this time.

Justin Martyr, like many within the grips of Rome's pagan traditions observed (Sunday), as it was in Vogue with the early Roman church, as was the heresy of Arianism to mention a few.

Justin was a philosopher, had his school in Rome, and promoted much of his philosophical thought in his writings, many scholars today expound on these facts.

Once Again :)

The early church in Jerusalem was established on the 7th day Sabbath as clearly shown below.

Acts 13:42-44KJV

42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
 

posthuman

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The early church in Jerusalem was established on the 7th day Sabbath as clearly shown below.
Acts 13 doesn't take place in Jerusalem, is two apostles evangelizing Jews and proselytes, not a gathering of the church, and Shavuot / Pentecost is an 8th day, not a 7th.

A person who refuses correction, the Bible calls "stupid"

If you cannot make a case without lying, you do your case more harm than good, and should shut up until you can speak the truth instead.
 

Dino246

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There is absolutely no biblical instruction to celebrate the Lord's resurrection or birth.
And? There is no biblical instruction to use a guitar, piano, or organ in a worship setting either, or to have the people sit for an hour while some person shares their personal commentary on Scripture (or politics, or whatever the sermon du jour is).

Both being of pagan origin as explained
Celebrating the Lord's resurrection is of pagan origin? Wow. What bible do you read?

was Jesus Christ born on Dec 25th, of course not (A Lie)
Did I say He was? No. There is no need to post irrelevant comments.
 

posthuman

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The only reason Constantine mandated the first day of the week (called Sunday by pagans and the Lord's Day by Christians), is because IT WAS ALREADY the Christian sabbath by the time Constantine took power. We see from the writings of Justin Martyr (2nd century) that the first day of the week was fully established as the day for Christian worship, rest, and good works.

Justin Martyr -- First Apology, Chapter 67
(translation by Roberts and Donaldson)
http://www.logoslibrary.org/justin/apology1/67.html

CHRISTIAN CHARITY FOLLOWED THE JERUSALEM CHURCH
And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost.

SUNDAY WORSHIP FOLLOWED THE NEW TESTAMENT PATTERN
And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things.

Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons.

And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need.

But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.
I don't agree with calling Sundays "Christian sabbath" - that's inaccurate.

All the rest, yes, thank you :)
 

Dino246

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The early church in Jerusalem was established on the 7th day Sabbath as clearly shown below.

Acts 13:42-44KJV
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
If you think one event establishes the intended practice of the church, then you Bible poorly! It's bad practice to make doctrine from narrative. There is nothing in the text you quoted that even hints at "Thou shalt do it this way!" so it is not "clearly shown" at all.
 

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Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Hebrews 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Hebrews 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Hebrews 4:10
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Sabbath is something that is ENTERED, and faith is required for entrance. Are we still talking about dead ordinance?
Of course that law of God cannot be abolished. If it could be abolished, Jesus would not come, God would have simply canceled it.
Ordinances were a placeholder until the fullness comes. But the decree of God remains forever and is not abolishable. The REST provided by God stays forever.
Jesus: You heard that it was told... but I tell you... :introduces a much higher standard of the commandment to keep:
To all people who speak of Sabbath. Do you keep the fullness of Sabbath that Jesus introduced?
Sabbath is the last day of creational week, we rest from our own works, we are dead so we can live in Jesus.
Sabbath is being kept holy 24/7 now, not once a week.
Because we have ENTERED that day of God's rest, we are resting crucified through faith in Jesus so we can rise.
We must rest from our own works. We have been purchased. We are not our own.
 

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Jesus Christ is Lord Of the Old Testament, he gave Moses the 10 commandments, yes these commandments have never been removed it replaced.
You still haven't responded to my first post which you jumped up to respond to (even though it was directed at Jaume)...

Which stated...
Right, He didn't rescind it, Jesus is our Sabbath rest (Heb 3-4) as we rest in His completed work. Something legalists have a hard time grasping.
 

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There is absolutely no biblical instruction to celebrate the Lord's resurrection or birth.

Both being of pagan origin as explained,
Funny, the angels had no problem celebrating it...

Luke 2:12-14 (KJV) And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Maybe next time you hear Handel's Messiah, you won't be such a sour puss.
 

Truth7t7

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You still haven't responded to my first post which you jumped up to respond to (even though it was directed at Jaume)...

Which stated...
1 John 2:1-4KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 

Truth7t7

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Funny, the angels had no problem celebrating it...

Luke 2:12-14 (KJV) And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Maybe next time you hear Handel's Messiah, you won't be such a sour puss.
Christmas: Pagan winter solstice, rebirth of the sun god in sun worship.

Jesus Christ wasn't born on December 25th (A Lie), if you desire to follow a lie it's on you.

A piece of music by a human being has no authority over biblical instruction.
 

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1 John 2:1-4KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
I guess you are calling Paul a liar when he explains the Sabbath rest we have in Jesus (Hebrews 3:7- 4:11)