Sabbath Obligation?

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There is absolutely no biblical instruction to celebrate the Lord's resurrection or birth.
wow...
um..

Behold! an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid! Then the angel said to them,
“Do not be afraid, for behold! I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people! For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord!"
(Luke 2:9-11)

But the angel answered and said to the women,
“Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. He is not here; for He is risen, as He said! Come, see the place where the Lord lay! And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him! Behold! I have told you!”
So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word.
(Matthew 28:5-8)
 

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I don't know if you read what you posted, but it doesn't say the church is Israel.
Jesus is Israel.

Jesus is Israel (Matthew 2:13-15,19-21; Hosea 11:1; his children are his disciples; Hebrews 2:13; Isaiah 8:16,18; John 13:33), the true "overcomer" (John 16:33; Revelation 3:21), the real "Prince" with God (Isaiah 9:6; Daniel 8:11,25, 9:25, 10:13,21, 11:22, 12:1; Acts 3:15, 5:31; Revelation 1:5), being Lord over His own house, whose house are we (Psalms 98:3; Hebrews 3:6; Jeremiah 31:33), who himself is the "elect" (Isaiah 42:1; Matthew 12:18; 1 Peter 2:6) of the Father, in whom all the promises of God find their realization (2 Corinthians 1:20). The promises made by God were all based upon condition (Exodus 19).
Mat 2:13-15; Hos 11:1; Jer 31:33; Rom 9:6-8; Heb 2:13; Isa 8:16,18; Jhn 13:33, 16:33, 17:12, 18:9, 21:5; 1 Cor 15:46; 2 Cor 1:20; Gal 6:16; Heb 3:6, 8:8,10; Rev 3:21​

'Israel' after the flesh, as a 'nation', is left desolate (Matthew 23:38; Luke 13:35), to bear no more fruit ever again (Matthew 21:19), cursed, withered away (Mark 11:21), dried up from the roots (Mark 11:20), "twice dead" (Jude 1:12), and the axe already laid at their root (Matthew 3:10; Luke 3:9), cut down and to be thrown into the fire.

It says not every fleshly descendent of Jacob is counted as children of His promise to Israel.
Absolutely. Yes.

What day did Christ rise?
First see this post for when Christ died:

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/sabbath-obligation.192276/page-15#post-4344518

Then see this picture:



Thus, Jesus arose from the dead, on the 'first [day] of the week', after the "sabbath (7th day) was past", and before the next "evening" (second [day] of the week came) (Genesis 1:1-5; Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:1-2,9,12-13; Luke 23:54-56,24:1,13-35; John 20:1,19), in the year AD 31, in the First Month Abib/Nisan, on the 16th day of the month, as the Firstfruits (1 Corinthians 15:2-,23; Leviticus 23:9-14), long before sunrise (as he always did; Joshua 3:1; Mark 1:35, 16:9) in the still "evening" portion of that day.

Here is an over all accounting:

[the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD thy God] Jesus at Lazarus' house in Bethany [Mt. Olivet] – [John 12:1]

[the first [day] of the week]

Jesus Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem, "the next day" from leaving Lazarus' house, Hosanna! - [John 12:12,13; Matthew 21:10; Mark 11:11], goes to the Temple, and after looking around, leaves, since it was close to evening back out unto Mt. Olivet.

[the second [day] of the week]

Jesus comes back, curses the fig tree, goes to the Temple, and cleanses the Temple for the Second [last] time of the Money Changers - [Matthew 21:12,13,17; Mark 11:12,15,16,17,19], and Jesus goes back out.

[the third [day] of the week]

Jesus comes back, the Fig tree is withered up from the roots, goes to the Temple, and has the final teachings to the Pharisees, etc - [Matthew 21:18,23; Mark 11:20,27].

This was the "two days" before the "Passover" - [Matthew 26:1-2; Mark 14:1; Luke 21:37-38, 22:1].

Jesus tells the Jewish nation, that their house is forever left desolate, no more fruit again - [Matthew 23:37-39; Luke 13:32-35].

Jesus said, that He still had to do "cures" and "cast out devils" "to day, tomorrow and the third day" and be done - [Luke 13:32,33]

Jesus had been "daily" in the Temple - [Matthew 26:55; Mark 14:49; Luke 19:47, 22:53; John 18:20]

[the fourth [day] of the week]

The "tomorrow" [Luke 13:32,33]

[the fifth [day] of the week]

The "Third Day" [Luke 13:32,33], being done.

[the sixth [day] of the week; preparation]

Gather twice as much, Christ Jesus the anti-typical Manna, Exodus 16:25,26

The "spices" "had been" [Mark 16;1] purchased sometime after the Crucifixion and before burial so that they could "prepare" [Luke 23:56] them to bring on the "first [day] of the week" [Luke 24:1], even as we see Joseph of Arimathaea doing for the linen - [Mark 14:46]

1st Evening Part - [Matthew 26:31,34; Mark 14:27,30]
1st Morning [Light] Part - [Matthew 27:21; Mark 15:1]


Aviv/Nisan 14th; Christ Jesus our Passover is Sacrificed for us - [1 Corinthians 5:7],

[the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD thy God]

Jesus remained in the Tomb all Sabbath - anti-type Manna - Exodus 16:29,30

The Disciples were keeping the Sabbath according to the Commandment - [Exodus 20:8-11; Luke 23:54,56]

2nd Evening and 2nd Morning Parts - [Matthew 27:58-66, 28:1; Mark 15:42-47; Luke 23:52-53,54; John 19:38-42]

Aviv/Nisan 15th - Seasonal Feast Sabbath [First Day of Unleavened Bread, without corruption] - [Leviticus 23:5-8]

[the first [day] of the week]

Christ Jesus, preserved and Risen - Anti-type Manna - Exodus 16:32-34

3rd Evening and 3rd Morning Parts, Christ Risen and shown alive - [Matthew 28:1-10; Mark 16:2-20; Luke 24:1-29; John 20:1-23]

Aviv/Nisan 16th; Christ the Firstfruits/Wavesheaf Offering, Anti-Type Resurrection - [1 Corinthians 15:20,23].

Jesus was walking with the disciples on the Road to Emmaus on the "first [day] of the week", as the day was closing out, being "the third day since these things" were done [Luke 24:21],

[the second [day] of the week]


Jesus was still walking with the two disciples on the Road to Emmaus as the first [day] of the week was closing, and it becomes Evening - [Luke 24:29,35, etc]
 

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What day did Christ rise?
Extra consideration, is also to be had about the following text, "the Spices", when were they purchased?:
“And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.” Mark 16:1​

For those which advocate a middle of the week [Wednesday, or Thursday], or elsewhere Crucifixion for Jesus, utilize this text along with the phrases “three days and three nights” [Jonah 1:17; Matthew 12:40] and “in the heart of the earth” [Matthew 12:40] in isolation, attempting to prove that Jesus needed to be in the grave for 72 hours [12 full hours for each day and night], some having Jesus raised the Seventh Day Sabbath, others on Sunday, others raised elsewhere, depending on their various respective views.

For these advocates of such eisigeted theologies/explanations, ask the question, how could those women, “ Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome”, all “had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him” since they were not allowed to do so during “seasonal” feast “sabbath” hours, nor during the 7th Day Sabbath hours?

Generally, the question is begged with the apriori position that they could have had no time from the time Jesus was crucified and burial to do so.

However, let us see what we will of the Scriptures first in all four Gospel accounts together [beginning with the “Truly this was the Son of God” statement/event and continuing from there], before addressing this:

“Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.” Matthew 27:54​
“And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.” Mark 15:39​
“Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man.” Luke 23:47​
“And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done, smote their breasts, and returned.” Luke 23:48​
“And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:” Matthew 27:55​
“There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;” Mark 15:40​
“And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things.” Luke 23:49​
Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.” Matthew 27:56​
“(Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him: ) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.” Mark 15:41​
When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:” Matthew 27:57​
“And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,” Mark 15:42​
“And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just:” Luke 23:50​
“(The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them; ) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.” Luke 23:51​
He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.” Matthew 27:58​
Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.” Mark 15:43​
“And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.” Mark 15:44​
“And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.” Mark 15:45​
This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.” Luke 23:52​
“And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.” John 19:38​
“And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,” Matthew 27:59​
“And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.” Mark 15:46​
“And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.” Luke 23:53​
“And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [weight].” John 19:39​
“Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.” John 19:40​
“And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.” Luke 23:54​
“Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.” John 19:41​
“There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation [day]; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.” John 19:42​
“And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.” Matthew 27:60​
“And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.” Matthew 27:61​
“And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.” Mark 15:47​
“And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.” Luke 23:55​
“And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.” Luke 23:56​
“In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.” Matthew 28:1​
“And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.” Matthew 28:2​
“And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.” Mark 16:1​
“And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.” Mark 16:2​
“And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?” Mark 16:3​
“And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.” Mark 16:4​
“Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.” Luke 24:1​
“And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.” Luke 24:2​
The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.” John 20:1​

Without resorting to various theories as held by others, what does the text plainly give to us?
 

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What day did Christ rise?
We read that on the very same day that Jesus was Crucified, being the Passover, the 14th of Aviv/Nisan, the sixth day of the week,

[1] Jesus died “about the ninth hour” [approximately 3 PM], according to the Scripture [Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:33-34; Luke 23:44], in fulfillment of Prophecy and Typology, He being the “Lamb of God”, even the “Passover” Lamb, prepared for the “evening sacrifice” (and as an additional note, see also the importance of the "morning" sacrifice, and when Jesus was Hung upon the Cross and for how long He was therefore).​
[2] Joseph of Arimathaea had time on that same day after Jesus' death to approach and ask of Pilate for the Body of Jesus [Matthew 27:57-58; Mark 15:42-43; Luke 23:50-52; John 19:38].​
[3] Pontius Pilate had time on that same day after Jesus' death to summon the guard, and inquire about Jesus' death [Mark 15:44-45].​
[4] Joseph of Arimathaea on that same day had time to come back from asking Pilate, and the inquisition made by Pilate to the Soldier, to the Cross, and take down the body of Jesus to be carried away [John 19:38].​
[5] Joseph of Arimathaea had time on that same day, after Jesus' death and after asking Pontius Pilate for the body of Jesus, and the inquisition made of Pilate to the guard, and taking Jesus down and way, to then purchase afterward [“And bought”] “fine linen” to wrap Jesus' body in [Mark 15:46].​
[6] Nicodemus had time on that same day to bring [“brought”] “a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [weight]” [John 19:39] along with Joseph of Arimathaea to then “wound it in linen clothes with the spices” and embalm the body of Jesus with [Matthew 27:59; Mark 15:46; Luke 23:53; John 19:40].​
[7] According to the texts, there was still time before the Sabbath, according to the commandment [Luke 23:56] had come, as the Scriptures reveal that it was still “the preparation day”, though the “sabbath drew on” [or was nearing] [Luke 23:54].​
[8] They all had time on that same day, even after all these events to go to the tomb with Jesus and lay Him in the tomb, and seal it [Matthew 27:60-61; Mark 15:47; Luke 23:55; John 19:41-42].​
[9] Even after the women saw how Jesus was laid in the tomb, and the tomb then sealed, they still had sufficient time before the sabbath was upon them to “return” from the tomb to their homes.​
[10] Once the women had “returned” to their homes [some Jerusalem, others possibly Olivet] they still had enough time, because the Scriptures recorded that they then “prepared spices and ointments” [Luke 23:56] before the Sabbath, in which they then when it had come, finally, “rested according to the commandment.” [Luke 23:56] and later came after the sabbath was past, even early in the morning of the first day of the week, even "bringing the spices which they had prepared" (Luke 24:1) the day of Christ's Crucifixion, wherein then it is obvious that they "had bought" them that day, the sixth day of the week, before the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, according to the Commandment actually commenced, which was about 3 hours.​
Let us now, come back to the main text at issue:
And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. Mark 16:1​

Much is made of the “had bought”, and the timing thereof in this text, only because it is isolated from the other texts of the four Gospels.

This text (Mark 16:1) does not indicate that a seasonal feast sabbath had come, and then a normal day existed inbetween for them to make purchase, which was then followed by the 7th Day Sabbath, as many incorrectly subscribe to, for it has been shown Prophetically and Typologically (Jonah, Manna, and more still to come in the Levitical Calendar, etc) that that would be impossible (and will be yet further still, in total). Let us then look at the words:

"had bought" [already having had purchased, sometime in the past] -

Tense: Aorist
Voice: Active
Mood: Indicative
Person: third
Number: Plural

“The Aorist tense conveys the truth that ... (indicative mood is mood of reality) has occurred at a point in the past without specifying when this event occurred. … One writer adds "strictly speaking, the aorist denotes past time only in the indicative ... (Learning the Basics of New Testament Greek. AMG Publishers)" - Greek Quick Reference Guide

This is s a past tense action, and the Greek aorist [tense] indicative [mood] reveals that it was an event [the purchasing] already past and done, some time before these events, without the text determining the exact moment of purchase in the past, but we can know by the other texts, and the women's own faithfulness that it had to be sometime before the Sabbath mentioned in this text and others. When we combine all of those previous points [1-10], we can know that the women had plenty of time to make the purchase of those spices several hours before Sabbath had come, while the men [Joseph and Nicodemus] were doing the things recorded, even purchasing “linen”, etc. We can know that the women already had the spices before Jesus was laid in the tomb, and thus we can conclusively determine that they “had bought” those spices sometime before then.

Not content with this, others attempt to wrest the passage from the context order, but please notice the connections of “and” in successive time keeping:
And when he knew [it] of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. - Mark 15:45​
And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre. - Mark 15:46​

Mark 15:46 is preceeded by Mark 15:45, which gives us succession of events in their order, and vs 46 begins with "kai" [And], connecting the two.

Therefore, Joseph was given the body, he bought fine linen, and then took the body down, and then wrapped Jesus in that just purchased Linen, etc. Plenty of time in the day to do so, since Jesus had died at approx 3PM, and there was several hours left before sunset and the 7th Day Sabbath was to begin.

The word in Greek in Matthew 15:46, αγορασαςG59 V-AAP-NSM

Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes:

Tense: Aorist
Voice: Active
Mood: Participle [a verbal adjective]
Case: Nominative
Number: Singular
Gender: Masculine

It is translated as "buy (28x), redeem (3x)", thus 31 times, in the King James Bible:

bought, 13
Mat 13:46, Mat 21:12, Mat 27:7, Mar 11:15, Mar 15:46, Mar 16:1, Luk 14:18-19 (2), Luk 17:28, Luk 19:45, 1Co 6:20, 1Co 7:23, 2Pe 2:1​
buy, 13
Mat 14:15, Mat 25:9-10 (2), Mar 6:36-37 (2), Luk 9:13, Luk 22:36, Joh 4:8, Joh 6:5, Joh 13:29, 1Co 7:30, Rev 3:18, Rev 13:17​
redeemed, 3
Rev 5:9, Rev 14:3-4 (2)​
buyeth, 2
Mat 13:44, Rev 18:11​

In every instance it means to purchase.

I will also recommend upon this issue, a webpage with several helpful charts -

A helpful breakdown, Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday? - http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/pasover.htm

The Scriptures do not specifically declare anywhere exactly when those spices were purchased [unless anyone would like to suggest a text where we might consider further, wherein it gives those specifics?] as it only mentions that they were purchased, some time in the past, before the day of the resurrection and also before the day before, being the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD thy God (according to the Commandment), for we find them preparing those spices upon the same day Jesus was crucified (Luke 23:56), and the coming with them “prepared” on Resurrection morning (Luke 24:1).
 

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The principles of the sabbath (rest, worship, and good works) were transferred to the Lord's Day (Rev 1:10). Christians need to emphasize "the Lord's Day" -- not Sunday.
The 7th day Sabbath
wow...
um..
Behold! an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid! Then the angel said to them,
“Do not be afraid, for behold! I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people! For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord!"
(Luke 2:9-11)
But the angel answered and said to the women,
“Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. He is not here; for He is risen, as He said! Come, see the place where the Lord lay! And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him! Behold! I have told you!”
So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word.
(Matthew 28:5-8)
There is no instruction seen in your presented references, for the believer to remember the Lord's birth.

The believer is instructed to remember the Lord's (Death) through the symbolic body and blood of Christ at communion.
 

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The believer is instructed to remember the Lord's (Death) through the symbolic body and blood of Christ at communion.
we supposed to eat death?

or life?


it's the Serpent which eats dust. our Paschal Lamb is alive forevermore :)
 

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we supposed to eat death?

or life?

it's the Serpent which eats dust. our Paschal Lamb is alive forevermore :)
Once again, the believer is instructed to remember the Lord's (Death) through the symbolic body and blood of Christ at communion.

1 Corinthians 11:23-26KJV
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
 

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Once again, the believer is instructed to remember the Lord's (Death) through the symbolic body and blood of Christ at communion.

1 Corinthians 11:23-26KJV
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
He lives forever.
if He is not resurrected, our faith is worthless - 1 Cor. 15-14-17


do you think of Him as being death when you take His supper?
our Paschal Lamb who was slain is alive forevermore. Rev. 5:6


anyway both His birth & resurrection were announced with joy which is more evidence for rejoicing at His birth & resurrection than you have for any NT believer ever being instructed to keep the ritual observance of the sign to Israel that God is the one who sanctifies them.

and what day did Christ rise?
and why do you flee from such a simple question?
 

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He lives forever.

and what day did Christ rise?
Everything Christ did was predicted in the OT, Christ fulfilled every bit of it exactly. It find our what day Christ rose, you do not go to the day it was discovered that he had already risen but to the day that it was predicted that he rise. That day is told of in the feasts.
 

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Everything Christ did was predicted in the OT, Christ fulfilled every bit of it exactly. It find our what day Christ rose, you do not go to the day it was discovered that he had already risen but to the day that it was predicted that he rise. That day is told of in the feasts.

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. And you shall offer on that day, when you wave the sheaf, a male lamb of the first year, without blemish, as a burnt offering to the Lord. Its grain offering shall be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering made by fire to the Lord, for a sweet aroma; and its drink offering shall be of wine, one-fourth of a hin. You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings."
(Leviticus 23:9-15)
in the evening of the 8th day, at some hour before dawn
and from the beginning, believers were meeting together, singing hymns and praising Him, early, before the sun rises, on the 8th day, which is also the 1st.
 

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in about 110 AD the Christians in Bithynia were accused of cannibalism. a certain man named Pliny the Younger made an investigation, and his report to emperor Trajan on the matter survives:


They declared that the sum total of their guilt or error amounted to no more than this: they had met regularly before dawn on a fixed day to chant verses alternately among themselves in honor of Christ as if to a god, and also to bind themselves by oath, not for any criminal purpose, but to abstain from theft, robbery and adultery, to commit no breach of trust, and not to deny a deposit when called upon to restore it.
After this ceremony it had been their custom to disperse and reassemble later to take food of an ordinary, harmless kind. But they had in fact given up this practice since my edict, issued on your instructions, which banned all political societies.
This made me decide it was all the more necessary to extract the truth by torture from two slave-women, whom they call diaconesses. I found nothing but a degenerate sort of cult carried to extravagant length.
of interest:
  • meeting before dawn on a fixed day
  • later in the same day reconvening to break bread, the Lord's supper.
    • from scripture we know this supper was being taken on the 8th day, which is also the first.
  • this record is from over 200 years before the 1st council if Nicaea ;)
 

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In Matthew 6:24 Jesus said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

I fully realise that almost any interpretation can be attached to those words but to me the meaning is made abundantly clear by Jesus. Whilst man needs rest days, if it is necessary to work then we must do so but if not... Then what? We must keep it Holy by prayer and by meditating on the Word of God. Jesus words in Luke 14:5 explains. Then he asked them, "If one of you has a child or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull it out?"
 
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God is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases .The rest (gospel) is in the assigned or appointed work of Emanuel in us .He makes works to make our hearts soft.

Being yoked with him the burden is lighter.
 

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Jesus is Israel.

Jesus is Israel (Matthew 2:13-15,19-21; Hosea 11:1; his children are his disciples; Hebrews 2:13; Isaiah 8:16,18; John 13:33), the true "overcomer" (John 16:33; Revelation 3:21), the real "Prince" with God (Isaiah 9:6; Daniel 8:11,25, 9:25, 10:13,21, 11:22, 12:1; Acts 3:15, 5:31; Revelation 1:5), being Lord over His own house, whose house are we (Psalms 98:3; Hebrews 3:6; Jeremiah 31:33), who himself is the "elect" (Isaiah 42:1; Matthew 12:18; 1 Peter 2:6) of the Father, in whom all the promises of God find their realization (2 Corinthians 1:20). The promises made by God were all based upon condition (Exodus 19).
You would do well to read all those passages much more carefully. You would also do well to take some training in sound biblical interpretation. Jesus is certainly not Israel. Israel is used as a type of Jesus in some places, and in others, there is a double meaning to the prophecy (such as in Hosea 11:1).
 

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God is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases .The rest (gospel) is in the assigned or appointed work of Emanuel in us .He makes works to make our hearts soft.

Being yoked with him the burden is lighter.
"Rest" does not equal "gospel". Rest is part of the gospel, but not equivalent with it.
 
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"Rest" does not equal "gospel". Rest is part of the gospel, but not equivalent with it.
The Sabbath is not good news????

What part of the gospel is good new .The rest part?

No mixing of faith (the spiritual understanding hid in parable) no rest.

No rest, no gospel.

Know the gospel of rest, mix faith, be yoked with Christ.

Hebrews 4 King James Version (KJV) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
 

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The Sabbath is not good news????

What part of the gospel is good new .The rest part?
If you had a basic understanding of English grammar, you would not ask such silly questions.
 

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And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. And you shall offer on that day, when you wave the sheaf, a male lamb of the first year, without blemish, as a burnt offering to the Lord. Its grain offering shall be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering made by fire to the Lord, for a sweet aroma; and its drink offering shall be of wine, one-fourth of a hin. You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings."
(Leviticus 23:9-15)
in the evening of the 8th day, at some hour before dawn
and from the beginning, believers were meeting together, singing hymns and praising Him, early, before the sun rises, on the 8th day, which is also the 1st.
When we search scripture to determine what God tells us about the Sabbath, we don't look for how men celebrated the Lord, we look at the day the Lord declared it to be the Sabbath. We look at the day the Lord completed His labors blessed that day for our sakes. We look at what the Lord tells us about this day. What men have done about it at any time is beside the point.

Most of our churches have used Sunday as the way that God said to use the Sabbath. We need to know why they decided to change it and ask ourselves if it was a good reason to do that. It seems to be based mostly on the day Mary discovered that Christ had risen, and only the discovery of it not even saying when he rose. That Christ rose is the base of our faith, but it is not the day God rested from His labors and declared it a Sabbath. And the discovery of something does not establish the event.
 

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I believe that the Sabbath is binding to the Christian on the basis that: Since the beginning, God rested on the seventh day which would later be made into the 4th of the Ten commandments.

"How many commandments are contained in the Ten Commandments? Does that sound like a foolish question? Then consider the fact that thousands of religious people would give an answer like “94” or “110.” You see, there is a strange belief on the part of many that the great God-written law of the Ten Commandments was actually a part of the ceremonial law of Moses which contained scores of specific regulations. They do not see the decalogue as being distinct and totally unique because of its divine authorship. Neither do they see the clear limitation which the Bible sets for this moral code by calling it the TEN Commandments.

It seems quite obvious that one would effectively do away with the “Ten Commandments” by mingling them with ninety or a hundred others and calling them “ordinances” instead of commandments. Such a radical effort has been made to dilute the force of the only words of the Bible which God wrote with His own hand. Furthermore, the claim has been advanced that since the Ten Commandments were a part of the mosaic law of ordinances that ended at the cross, we are no more obligated to obey the decalogue than we are to offer lambs in sacrifice.

Is there proof positive in the Scriptures that there was no such blending of the ceremonial and moral law into one? Can it be shown that the Ten Commandments were of a permanent, perpetual nature while the ceremonial law of statutes and ordinances came to an end when Jesus died? Indeed there is an abundance of evidence to answer these questions with a resounding yes!

God made known this distinction to His servant Moses, and Moses explained it to the people at Mt. Horeb. “And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it” (Deuteronomy 4:13, 14).

Please notice how Moses clearly separated the Ten Commandments, which “he commanded you,” from the statutes which “he commanded me” to give the people. The big question now is whether those statutes and judgments, which Moses passed on to the people, were designated as a separate and distinct “law.”

God answers that important question in such a way that no doubt can remain. “Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them” (2 Kings 21:8). Here we are assured that the statutes which Moses gave the people were called a “law.” Any child can discern that two different laws are being described. God speaks of the law “I commanded” and also the “law ... Moses commanded.” Unless this truth is understood properly, limitless confusion will result.

Daniel was inspired to make the same careful distinction when he prayed for the desolated sanctuary of his scattered nation. “Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him” (Daniel 9:11).

Once more we see “thy law” and “the law of Moses,” and this time the two are recognized as different in content. There are no curses recorded in the Ten Commandments that God wrote, but the law which Moses wrote contained an abundance of such curses and judgments.

The major point of difference between the law of God and the law of Moses, though, lies in the way they were recorded and preserved. We have already cited Moses’ statement that God “wrote them (the Ten Commandments) upon two tables of stone” (Deuteronomy 4:13). Compare that with Exodus 31:18, “two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.”

No one can confuse this writing with the way the mosaic law was produced. “And Moses wrote this law ... And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee” (Deuteronomy 31:9, 24-26). This book of statutes and judgments which Moses wrote in a book was placed in a pocket on the side of the ark. In contrast, the law written by God on tables of stone was placed inside the ark of the covenant. “And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee” (Exodus 25:16).

At this point we can note several distinctions in the two laws. They had different authors, were written on different material, were placed in different locations and had totally different content."
By Joe Crews
https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/27/t/feast-days-and-sabbaths
The "Amazing Facts" website is a Seventh Day Adventist website. Seventh Day Adventists is a False Prophet. Furthermore, the Seventh Day Adventist literature is fully laced with subliminal images just as also are their offspring, the False Prophet Watchtower Bible and Tract Society better known as Jehovah's Witnesses. Examples of the Satanic images of idols can be found on the Internet. The subliminal images are often flashed across the television screen vie their being embedded in the pictures and so-call artwork, during the time that Amazing Facts is on featuring Doug Batchelor as the Host, or any other host, as well as any other Seventh Day Adventist "programming" shows. The Seventh Day Adventist doctrines are Antichrist, therefore all of their writings / false interpretations are doctrines of devils.

The True and Living Lord Jesus Christ; Not the false "Jesus" of the Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses, of which each blasphemously preached to be Michael the Archangel a.k.a. a created "god"; But The True and Living Lord Jesus Christ warned against false prophets in Matthew 7:13-27 and outlined severe consequences for those that follow after them. The Lord Jesus Christ also warned of false prophets in Matthew 24.

Proof quotations pertaining to false prophesies and false teaching of who Jesus Christ is by the Seventh Day Adventists, along with Scripture that refute their blasphemous errors have been posted on >> This thread << in Post #47, Post #49, Post #51 & Post #52