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Well, most people don't think that He meant really ANYTHING that He said.
So, in other words, you won't do something just because God SAYS to? You will only do it if you decide to? After all, if God says to do something and expects you to, that is legalism?
We are under BOTH! It is a matter of grace and law. When one breaks the Law, grace is the forgiveness and restoration that is provided by the sacrifice of Christ.
Please show me a scripture that says you can't have both.
If one is not under Law, then he needs no grace. If there is no Law then there is no sin. If there is no sin then there is no need for grace.
So, in other words, you won't do something just because God SAYS to? You will only do it if you decide to? After all, if God says to do something and expects you to, that is legalism?
We are under BOTH! It is a matter of grace and law. When one breaks the Law, grace is the forgiveness and restoration that is provided by the sacrifice of Christ.
Please show me a scripture that says you can't have both.
If one is not under Law, then he needs no grace. If there is no Law then there is no sin. If there is no sin then there is no need for grace.
The church today have a problem. We are flooded with ministers spreading the gospel without a proper knowledge of God's word. That is one of the reasons why we have 41,000 denominations (peoples opinions). If we keep to the basics and start evaluating the evidence from the Bible we will all have the same conclusion.
The other problem I pick up is that people want to read only the NT and disregard the OT.
The other problem I pick up is that people want to read only the NT and disregard the OT.
There is no mention of observing the Sabbath in Genesis 1-2 or anywhere else in Genesis. There is no mention of anyone observing the Sabbath.
And in Exodus 16 the leaders of Israel had to have the Sabbath explained to them.
It was only in the Sinai covenant that the Sabbath was enjoined, and connected with the fact that God had ceased work on the 'seventh day' (had finished creation). The Sabbath was not known til then (or was totally ignored). The Sabbath was unique to Israel. Any attempt to find Sabbath observance elsewhere has proved null and void.
In fact the seventh yom (time period) in Genesis 2 never came to an end. God's cessation of work was permanent. He blessed it because it symbolised the completion of creation. There is NO 'and the evening and the morning was on the seventh day'. It is still progress and we enter it when we 'enter into rest'. That is why its shadow, the Sabbath, has passed away in its fulfilment in Christ.
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I think it depends on what you think it's binding for. Is it binding in regards to earning or keeping salvation? I would say no.
Is it binding as far as what God expects us to do with our daily, or in this case weekly, lives? Is it still an applicable and expected instruction on how to live?
I would say yes.
Is it binding as far as what God expects us to do with our daily, or in this case weekly, lives? Is it still an applicable and expected instruction on how to live?
I would say yes.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
You are failing to recognize a very important Bible Study principle...
Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
All the truth on a particular subject is not found in one place.
You are failing to recognize a very important Bible Study principle...
Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
All the truth on a particular subject is not found in one place.
amein. yahweh hates religion, and he loves people.
who talked with yahweh , the one creator, and what would they have talked about ? (hint: TORAH)
know for sure as he is always the same,
he talked with those he created, loved, trained, taught, and fellowshipped so uniquely with
in the history of earth,
always by and completely in line with his WORD, TORAH (all flowing from yahweh to men he chose).
who talked with yahweh , the one creator, and what would they have talked about ? (hint: TORAH)
know for sure as he is always the same,
he talked with those he created, loved, trained, taught, and fellowshipped so uniquely with
in the history of earth,
always by and completely in line with his WORD, TORAH (all flowing from yahweh to men he chose).
It is necessary to disregard the Gregorian calendar, and to determine the spiritual significance of God's rest for us rather than a day for starters. Observing this day or that day is not where to begin. Understanding why is the beginning. That is the substance that eventually will lead in eliminating confusion and debate.