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Abraham kept the laws of his tribe, which he believed were of God, not the Law of Moses.
The Law given by Moses was in the form of a suzerainty treaty. The Deliverer was commanding their obedience on the grounds that He had delivered them (Exod 20.2). It thus referred to those whom He had delivered and their descendants, and those who later joined the covenant. It did not refer to the past. They were not 'brought back to His law'. It was a new revelation. (If we follow your argument then the New Testament is just a repetition of the Law of Moses, which is ridiculous). It is called progressive revelation
The Law given by Moses was in the form of a suzerainty treaty. The Deliverer was commanding their obedience on the grounds that He had delivered them (Exod 20.2). It thus referred to those whom He had delivered and their descendants, and those who later joined the covenant. It did not refer to the past. They were not 'brought back to His law'. It was a new revelation. (If we follow your argument then the New Testament is just a repetition of the Law of Moses, which is ridiculous). It is called progressive revelation
Very true.
Genesis 2:1-25
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation. These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground, ...
Genesis 2:1-25
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation. These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground, ...
I mean that JESUS was going to fulfill all the law before he started the new covenant grace
I'm saying that i would recognize what doing what GOD says from the heart and just doing it outwardly.
we are under law if we haven't moved on to grace but we are not under law and grace at the same time.
I could show you a scripture that tells about how the spirit lust against the flesh and vice versa but i would have to do some searching to find exactly what you ask but hopefully you know that they couldn't purify the spirit in the wilderness they only purified the flesh.
i agree that if a person is not under law but under grace that the schoolmaster has done its job and i agree that where there is no law sin is not imputed.
I'm saying that i would recognize what doing what GOD says from the heart and just doing it outwardly.
we are under law if we haven't moved on to grace but we are not under law and grace at the same time.
I could show you a scripture that tells about how the spirit lust against the flesh and vice versa but i would have to do some searching to find exactly what you ask but hopefully you know that they couldn't purify the spirit in the wilderness they only purified the flesh.
i agree that if a person is not under law but under grace that the schoolmaster has done its job and i agree that where there is no law sin is not imputed.
So, to fill full...
G4137
πληρόω
plēroō
play-ro'-o
From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.
Total KJV occurrences: 90
means to do away with.
And if that is different than scripture so what? And if someone else sees it differently than you, then they are correct also?
1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
So if one thinks that taking the Passover once a year is correct and another thinks that grape juice and a cracker every day is correct, they are both right? Extend that out a little and you end up with LAWLESSNESS.
Now wait a minute, if you are under grace then the Law no longer defines sin? Just what is sin? Bible definition is no longer correct?
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Why wasn't John informed of this?
I'll do it for you...
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
In the wilderness, Israel did not have access to the Holy Spirit with the exception of the very few God called prior to Pentecost, 31AD.
So, anyhoo, what this scripture says is that we still battle our carnal nature just as Paul did...
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
And the deliverance is through Christ.
The schoolmaster was the Law of Sacrifices that pointed to Christ...
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
It gave a bloody reminder that we are sinners and need the sacrifice of Christ to be cleansed. We must go to God and ask for this cleansing (grace Heb 4:15-16) daily...
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Part of our daily prayer (actually we should do this three times a day Psa 55:17) is to ask forgiveness and also we must forgive others daily.
G4137
πληρόω
plēroō
play-ro'-o
From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.
Total KJV occurrences: 90
means to do away with.
And if that is different than scripture so what? And if someone else sees it differently than you, then they are correct also?
1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
So if one thinks that taking the Passover once a year is correct and another thinks that grape juice and a cracker every day is correct, they are both right? Extend that out a little and you end up with LAWLESSNESS.
Now wait a minute, if you are under grace then the Law no longer defines sin? Just what is sin? Bible definition is no longer correct?
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Why wasn't John informed of this?
I'll do it for you...
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
In the wilderness, Israel did not have access to the Holy Spirit with the exception of the very few God called prior to Pentecost, 31AD.
So, anyhoo, what this scripture says is that we still battle our carnal nature just as Paul did...
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
And the deliverance is through Christ.
The schoolmaster was the Law of Sacrifices that pointed to Christ...
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
It gave a bloody reminder that we are sinners and need the sacrifice of Christ to be cleansed. We must go to God and ask for this cleansing (grace Heb 4:15-16) daily...
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Part of our daily prayer (actually we should do this three times a day Psa 55:17) is to ask forgiveness and also we must forgive others daily.
I think the question of why we have denominations belongs on a separate thread.
The OP asked:
Do we need to keep the sabbath? I dunno if I posted about this but I am still confused.
Matthew 5:19 says that if you ignore the least of these commands you get the least position in heaven. So can someone please explain this to me?
btw, what is the purpose of the Sabbath and why is it so hard to keep
The question " do we need to keep the Sabbath?" is answered by Paul in:
Ro 14:5-6
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
KJV
The simple answer appears to be NO!
The answer to "What is the purpose of the sabbath?" IMO is that God has designated a time at which He desires His people to fellowship with Him. If the question had been 'Is God pleased by Sabbath observance?' my answer would be 'Yes.'
the answer to "Why is it so hard to keep?" is : IMO It doesn't need to be difficult at all.
The OP asked:
Do we need to keep the sabbath? I dunno if I posted about this but I am still confused.
Matthew 5:19 says that if you ignore the least of these commands you get the least position in heaven. So can someone please explain this to me?
btw, what is the purpose of the Sabbath and why is it so hard to keep
The question " do we need to keep the Sabbath?" is answered by Paul in:
Ro 14:5-6
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
KJV
The simple answer appears to be NO!
The answer to "What is the purpose of the sabbath?" IMO is that God has designated a time at which He desires His people to fellowship with Him. If the question had been 'Is God pleased by Sabbath observance?' my answer would be 'Yes.'
the answer to "Why is it so hard to keep?" is : IMO It doesn't need to be difficult at all.
The law is not done away with for the lawless but it is done away with for those under grace and JESUS said that he is faithful to forgive us of our sins if we confess our sins.
the law was not made for the righteous but it was made for the lawless because a person should recognize their guilt before they will truly believe they are guilty.
Remember that its the spirit that gives life the body counts for nothing and since the spirit and the body lust against each other and JESUS said that the words that he spoke were spirit and life then the spirit is the truth.
the law was not made for the righteous but it was made for the lawless because a person should recognize their guilt before they will truly believe they are guilty.
Remember that its the spirit that gives life the body counts for nothing and since the spirit and the body lust against each other and JESUS said that the words that he spoke were spirit and life then the spirit is the truth.