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the Covenant Complete

You will remember that to the Ten Commandment law, God
added no more (Deuteronomy 5:22). Any other law, or covenant,
coming later, is no part of it, but a separate law or covenant.

Paul makes this plain: “Though it be but a man’s covenant,
yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth
thereto” (Galatians 3:15).

The Ten Commandment law was complete—God added no
more. Also, the Old Covenant was confirmed, as described in
Exodus 24:4-8. It cannot be added to.

Later, after both the Ten Commandments and the Old
Covenant had been made complete, ratified, put in force and
effect, God made another totally separate and eternally
binding covenant with His people.

WHY the Sabbath?

God never does anything in vain—that is, to no good and
useful purpose. When God does anything, or makes anything,
there is a reason—an important purpose.

God, through “the Word” (John 1:1-3) who became Jesus
Christ, made the Sabbath. He made it for man.

But why? What purpose does it serve? Mankind has lost knowledge
of that important purpose, too! Jesus Christ (Mark 2:27-28)
said it was made for man, rather than man for the Sabbath.

But at that time He merely told for whom He had made it—
not why—not for what purpose, except to serve and benefit man.

The Special Sabbath COVENANT

“And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak thou also
unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall
keep ….” Notice, once again, which day is “the Lord’s day.”

The Eternal calls the Sabbaths “my sabbaths.” The Sabbaths
are His—they do not belong to us—they are not our days, but
the Lord’s. They are not “the Jewish Sabbaths” or “the Gentile
Sabbaths.” The Sabbath is a space of time. That time, whenever
it arrives, is not ours, but God’s.

If we appropriate it for ourselves—for our own use, whether work, pleasure,
or what, we are stealing that time from God!

Notice again! He said: “[M]y sabbaths ye shall keep.” In
Exodus 20:8 we saw that He commanded to “keep it holy”—

God made it holy time, and commanded us to keep it holy—
not to profane what is holy to God.

Now study this special covenant a little further: “… for it
is a sign between me and you throughout your generations;
that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you”
(Exodus 31:13).

What tremendous meaning is packed in that portion of this
sentence! Yet most people read right past it, failing to get the
vital truth it contains!

Notice! Here is the purpose of the Sabbath. “… for it is a sign ….”
 

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What is a sign?

God commanded His people to keep His Sabbath as a sign.

It is a sign between God’s people and God—“… a sign between
me and you,” the commandment says. It is a badge or token of
identity. It advertises, or announces, or proclaims certain identifying
knowledge. But what knowledge? God answers: “… that
ye may KNOW that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.”

WHO Is God ?

Note those words carefully!! It is the sign that identifies to
them who is their God ! It is the sign by which we may KNOW
that He is the Lord !! It identifies God !

But doesn’t everybody know who God is?

Absolutely NO! This whole world is deceived—so says
your Bible (Revelation 12:9).

This world has a god—a false god—Satan the devil! He
pretends to be “an angel of light” (2 Corinthians 11:14). He has
his religious organizations. Not all are Buddhists, Shintoists,
Taoists, Confucianists.

Many have appropriated the very name “Christian,”
whose ministers, says your Bible, actually are Satan’s ministers:

“And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into
an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers
also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness …”
(2 Corinthians 11:14-15).

But do they actually call themselves the ministers of
Christ? Read the verse just before the two just quoted—
verse 13: “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.” Yes, Satan is
the great counterfeiter.

He palms himself off as God. He is called, in your Bible, the
god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4). He palms off his ministers
as the ministers of Christ—accusing the true ministers of Christ
of being “false apostles” to divert suspicion from themselves!

Does this world’s “Christianity” really know the true God?
It is deceived into believing it does, and a deceived world may
be sincere in that false belief.

But the true God is the one whom we obey.

This world is not taught to obey God! Its false “Christianity”
teaches that God’s law is “done away.” It actually puts human
conscience, actuated by Satan’s false teaching, in place of God’s
law! It does not teach, as did Christ, that we must actually live
by every word of God—of the Bible!

It obeys Satan by sinning!
 

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Creation is the PROOF of God—of His existence. It—the
act of creating—identifies Him!

So God took the most enduring, lasting imperishable thing
man can know—a recurring space of time—the only day that is
a memorial of the act of creating. He took the only day which
points, constantly, every seventh day of the week, to the existence
of the almighty, all-powerful, all-ruling God —the Creator!

And God set that particular day apart from others as His
day—God made that particular day sacred and holy to Him—
designating it as the very day on which He commands His
people to assemble for worship—the day man is commanded
to rest from his own work and physical pleasure—and to be
refreshed by assembling with other obedient worshipers in
spiritual fellowship!

No other day is a memorial and reminder of creation. True,
Satan has deceived a deluded world into supposing Christ’s
resurrection occurred on Sunday morning at sunrise—the
very time which has always been the time of pagan sun-worship.

But this is not true! It is a shocking eye-opener—and it
is the truth you can verify and prove on your public internet.
 

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Germany’s Quiet Sundays’

For Germans, whether religious or otherwise, Sunday is a sacred day of rest.

That’s what the Wall Street Journal said in its Life & Style section on March 23.

“Germany holds to much the same Monday-to-Friday workweek rhythm as the rest of the world,
but on Sundays it skips a beat,” wrote Frankfurt-based assistant news editor Sarah Sloat in her article
From the WSJ Expat Blog: Germany’s Quiet Sundays - WSJ

She continues:

This uber-efficient country, which puts more restrictions on Sunday activities than nearly all of
its neighbors, nearly shuts down. …Opening Sundays to shopping is fiercely resisted .…
Efforts by retailers and businesses to loosen the rules have also been unsuccessful.
But a blanket prohibition was lifted in 2006, when states were allowed to designate a certain number
of Sundays as open for shopping. In Hesse, where Frankfurt is located, four are permitted each year.

So normal labor and commerce are tightly restricted on Sundays. But what if residents want to spend
their Sunday doing yard work around their homes? Sloat answers this:

Laws regulating shopping hours and noise levels mean stores shut, lawnmowers fall silent, and woe
unto him who flips the switch on an electric tool. … Sonntagsruhe is one term they use.
It simply means “Sunday rest.”

Anyone considering undertaking outdoor chores or home improvements will be in for a surprise.

Regulations limit noise levels, forbidding the use of electric tools like drills and leaf blowers, as well as h
ammering, sawing and loud music. At recycling containers, it’s even prohibited to throw away glass jars
and bottles on Sunday because of the noise. Heavy trucks are banned from German roads on Sunday …
to relieve streets and cities of noise and traffic, and to give drivers a break.

The wsj article makes only a passing and vague mention of the influence of “churches” on Germany’s
reverence for Sundays. But there is one specific church which lies at the very heart of why Germany
“skips a beat” on Sundays: Roman Catholicism.


the Brussels-based European Sunday Alliance, a network of dozens of religious and nonreligious
organizations from 27 European nations whose purpose, according to its website,
is to “raise awareness of the unique value of synchronized free time for our European societies.”
At the helm of these crusaders for Sunday rest is the Roman Catholic Church.

On March 3, the European Sunday Alliance met in Brussels with politicians from all around
the European Union for a “Call for Action” about banning Sunday work.
European Sunday Alliance - First European Interest Group WORK-LIFE BALANCE launched!

The press release for the meeting says:

Stop Sunday Work Now! … Europe is not only an economic but also a social and cultural community. …
The “economization” of Sundays and public holidays deepens social divisions at the expense of
workers and their families. The common weekly day of rest is a clear and visible sign for the reconciliation
of personal, family and professional life. … We need a Europe-wide Sunday protection. …

[T]he European Sunday Alliance draws attention to Sunday as the common weekly day of rest
which enables EU citizens to live their citizenship together.

Why does this Sunday alliance exist and work so arduously to influence Europe’s labor laws?
Why is the Catholic Church so adamant about instituting a Continent-wide day of rest?
And why must it be Sunday instead of another day of the week?

In large part, it is because it was the Catholic Church—in intentional violation of biblical teachings

—that appointed Sunday as a day of rest and worship. The Vatican is proud of the success it had
in this colossal feat, and Sunday rest has become a mark of the Catholic Church’s authority.
 

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This truth is best explained by the Vatican’s own:

■“Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on
Catholic principles. … From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage
that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first”
(Catholic Press, August 1900).

■“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. … And the act is a mark of
her ecclesiastical authority in religious things” (letter from the office of Cardinal Gibbons, Nov. 11, 1895).

■“The church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance from Saturday to Sunday
is proof positive of that fact. Deny the authority of the church and you have no adequate or reasonable
explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third—Protestant Fourth
—Commandment of God” (The Catholic Record, Sept. 1, 1923).

■“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the church ever did, happened in
the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday.
‘The day of the Lord’ (dies Dominica) [or “Sunday”] was chosen, not from any direction noted in
the Scriptures, but from the church’s sense of its own power. … People who think that the Scriptures
should be the sole authority, should logically … keep Saturday holy”
(Saint Catherine Catholic Church Sentinel, May 21, 1995).


The March meeting, and the European Sunday Alliance’s ongoing efforts are bringing
the Vatican-influenced EU closer to declaring Sunday as the official Continent-wide day of rest.

Any steps in that direction should alarm religious liberty watchers, those concerned about
a failure to separate church and state, and anyone familiar with Catholicism’s violent history.
 

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In 2005, when Pope Benedict xvi stressed the importance of Sunday worship for Europe and the world,

In August, Pope Benedict xvi made Germany the destination of his first trip abroad.
On Sunday, August 21, as part of the World Youth Day celebration, the pontiff conducted a mass
with over 1 million people where he stressed the importance of Sunday worship: “Sunday is a free day .…
Yet this free time is empty if God is not present,” he said.

Pope Benedict perceives the secularist moral vacuum that has plagued Europe since the time
of the Enlightenment. … But it seems Benedict wants to fill that vacuum—the old Roman way.
That way was never sympathetic to the idea of the public voluntarily accepting its tenets.
Rather, as even a cursory study of history will reveal, it was imposed by force. …

Pope Benedict was committed to reinstating the active observance of
the Roman Catholic Church’s chief icon: Sunday.

He knows that to popularize religion in Europe, he has to reintroduce a means of promoting
what marketers call brand loyalty. The most historic brand the pope can offer to bond the people
together is the ancient day of worship, fashionable since Babylon, the old day of the sun—Sunday.

Hence his promotion of that old Roman brand in his recent addresses. … If we understand how
the church has enforced this day in its past history, we should be very alarmed.

Benedict is no longer the church’s frontrunner, but his successor and other Catholic officials are
committed to the same ambitions that drove him.

-“Where did Sunday originate? Not with the Roman Catholic Church, but with the pagan religion of
the Roman Empire, long before there was any Catholic Church! It is the day on which the ancient pagans
assembled at sunrise, faced the east (as they do Easter Sunday morning today), and worshiped the rising sun.

It was Constantine, emperor of the Roman Empire, not a pope, who made Sunday the official
so-called ‘Christian day of rest.’ But it was enforced—people were caused to accept it universally

—by the Roman Catholic Church!” History proves this to be absolutely correct!

Constantine changed the official day of worship to Sunday during the Nicene Council of a.d. 325.
 
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I have to ask: "What is your goal here?" Are you trying to justify NOT attending a regular worship service with fellow believers in CHRIST? Are you just a HOliday attender? Do you have personal issues with singing praises, studying the BIBLE, participating in an altar call, gathering with others, sharing the LORD's Supper, or what? How are you growing, spiritually? Nobody survives today as a LONE WOLF. You need to fellowship, taking advantage of how others have spiritual gifts that can help you and visa versa. No one single individual has all the talents, gifts and answers for all peoples. People can benefit from your trials, testimonies and spiritual gifts as well. "Forsake NOT the gathering of yourselves together."
 

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In a letter regarding the council, Constantine spoke of the enforcement of Sunday worship
for Easter services: “At this meeting the question concerning the most holy day of Easter
was discussed, and it was resolved by the united judgment of all present that this feast ought
to be kept by all and in every place on one and the same day.” This statement was directed at those
who kept the Passover—one of God’s seven annual festivals commanded in Scripture—rather than Easter,
and kept it several days before Easter.

“[F]irst of all, it appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of this most holy feast we should
follow the practice of the Jews. … Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd ….
t has been determined by the common judgment of all,that the most holy feast of Easter should be
kept on one and the same day” (emphasis mine throughout).

In other words, Easter was to be kept on Sunday, and the “Jewish” Passover
which is actually God’s biblically commanded assembly—was expressly forbidden

In another letter, specifically regarding Sabbath worship, Constantine wrote, “Forasmuch, then,
as it is no longer possible to bear with your pernicious errors, we give warning by this present statute t
hat none of you henceforth presume to assemble yourselves together. We have directed, accordingly,
that you be deprived of all the houses in which you are accustomed to hold your assemblies:
and our care in this respect extends so far as to forbid the holding of your superstitious and senseless m
eetings, not in public merely, but in any private house or place whatsoever.

Let those of you, therefore, who are desirous of embracing the true and pure religion, take the far
better course of entering the Catholic Church .… [F]rom this day forward none of your unlawful
assembliesmay presume to appear in any public or private place. Let this edict be made public.”

This was confirmed at the Council of Laodicea almost 40 years later in a.d. 363. At that conference,
it was determined, “Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work
on that day, rather honoring the Lord’s Day. …

But if any shall be found to be Judaizers, let them be anathema
[cursed and excommunicated] from Christ.”

There you have it: historical proof of the enforced observance of Sunday. To assemble together
on any other day for a religious observance was unlawful.

Today, many Sunday-observing “Christians” admit that the Sabbath was changed.
Notice the question posed to the Catholic Church in the book Catholic Doctrinal Catechism,
written by a Catholic priest with the intention of defending

Catholic doctrine: “Question: Have you any other way of proving that the church has power to
institute festivals of precept? Answer: Had she not such power, she should not have done that
in which all modern religionists agree with her—she could not have substituted the observance
of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a
change for which there is no scriptural authority.”

As Christians today, are we to heed what a great church has admittedly changed
—or what is divinely inspired in the Bible?
 
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God’s Church During the Middle Ages

Polycarp

After the death of the apostle John, a disciple of his, Polycarp,
waged a controversy over the Passover-Easter question with the
bishop of Rome, by then leader of the church started by Simon.
apointed himself as god over people, and was [bound in inequity]

Still later, another disciple of Christ’s true Christianity,
Polycrates, waged a still hotter controversy over the same
Passover-Easter question with another bishop of Rome.

This theological battle was called the Quartodeciman Controversy.

Polycrates contended, as Jesus and the original apostles taught,
that the Passover should be observed in the new Christian form

introduced by Jesus and by the apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 11),
using unleavened bread and wine instead of sacrificing a lamb,

on the eve of the 14th Nisan (first month in the sacred calendar,
occurring in the spring).

But [the Rome church] insisted that it be observed on a Sunday.
Quartodecimanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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he was a disciple of John the Apostle
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Polycrates of Ephesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

those who keeped the oracles of God, the sabbath keepers
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When Constantine made his decree in a.d. 325 enforcing Sunday observance in
the Roman Empire, a tribulation period began. Those saints who remained faithful
to God’s Sabbath command were forced to flee into hiding for fear of their lives.

Persecution against these people set in almost immediately.

As dissension grew, those who were reading the Scriptures for themselves began to
be persecuted. The author of History of the Christian Church continued, “They were
called Waldensians, as if that were a hard name. Force was applied to them.
They were routed; their versions were burnt, so far as possible; their opinions rooted out.
The priests of Metz breathed freely again, and went on in their old ways of ignorance, idleness
and vicious selfishness. Like cases seem to have occurred at Auxerre, and various towns in France,
until the Council of Toulouse, in 1229, forbade the laity to possess the books of the Old and N
ew Testaments in any language .…”

That’s history. A great church actually forbade people to read the Bible. Throughout history,
this church has spoken “great things.”

In any doctrinal controversy, we must believe the Bible, not men!
The followers of Peter Waldo were persecuted by the Roman Empire.
The cause behind it was the Roman Church.
 

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A Matter of Life and Death

Here is another excerpt from The History of Roman Catholicism: “The Roman Church has adopted
as its fundamental principle that it can never err, and the body of the civil law when once chosen
by the church, as the basis of its system of ecclesiastical jurisprudence, partook at once of its infallibility,
and unchangeableness and became one of its prominent features. To change it in one of its most
unimportant [details] would be to acknowledge that the church had erred, which is impossible. …

Thus the Roman pontiff is clothed with supreme authority, and combines at once in his own
sacred person all the functions of the legislative, the judicial, and the executive powers.
He has no constitutional restraint, he is absolutely unlimited and without control. …

Remember, this powerful church was prophesied to speak great things. Throughout history,
the pope has been referred to as the vicar of Christ. Vicar does not mean Christ’s representative
as some assume. It means “in place of” Christ. Those truly are “great words.” The author of the
above-mentioned book urges readers who falsely assume a pope would never really exercise
his full power to remember the “voice of the past.”

Historic facts show that under Charlemagne, the observance of Sunday within Europe actually
became a matter of life or death. Many were put to the sword, burned at the stake, stretched
on the rack, or met their end by some other horrible means at the hands of others who literally
meant that citizens could not live without Sunday!

These unfortunate souls were declared heretics by Rome—but martyrs by historians
(including the 16th century’s John Foxe).

Let us hope this pope, Benedict xvi, did not have this long and agonizing history in mind
when he uttered that most unfortunate phrase, “We cannot live without Sunday.”
 

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The Sabbath (Sundown Friday to sundown Saturday) is a time God has appointed for meeting with His people.

If I make an appointment with a friend to meet at a specified time (and place); and my friend fails to show up, I do NOT terminate the friendship: but I am certainly disappointed and unhappy about it.

I believe that God feels the same way. Jesus (God) calls us friends:Jn 15:14-15
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
KJV

so the analogy applies.
 
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Six apples shalt thou eat but the seventh you will keep whole.
Six days shalt thou work but the seventh thou shalt rest.

Doesn't matter a rat's which particular apple .... or DAY !
Simply keep one apple or day in seven ...ANY one will do.

Nobody has the slightest clue when the "original" week began. I don't remember any text nominating Monday, Tuesday Wednesday etc
People are relying on Jewish tradition.
 

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Six apples shalt thou eat but the seventh you will keep whole.
Six days shalt thou work but the seventh thou shalt rest.

Doesn't matter a rat's which particular apple .... or DAY !
Simply keep one apple or day in seven ...ANY one will do.

Nobody has the slightest clue when the "original" week began. I don't remember any text nominating Monday, Tuesday Wednesday etc
People are relying on Jewish tradition.
Maybe it doesn't matter to you but you aren't the one who set apart and made holy a particular day...

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

So what REALLY doesn't make a rat's ... is your contempt for God's Sabbath.
 
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someone might be under too great a pressure due to circumstances not disclosed yet to surrender to yahweh
and
admit that what yahweh says is true. (too great in their minds... as in death or loss of job and family might be too much for them to bear so far up to today
which often happens
when presented with the choice to believe yahweh's WORD or not. yes. yahweh's WORD is sure and true.

no other way will do. everyone eventually confesses, alive in christ or dead in their sin when they no longer have a choice...)
 

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Maybe it doesn't matter to you but you aren't the one who set apart and made holy a particular day...

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

So what REALLY doesn't make a rat's ... is your contempt for God's Sabbath.
It is quite extraordinary, if you are correct. why Paul nowhere calls on the churches he founded to observe the Sabbath. Surely if it had been so important he MUST have done so. Instead he tells us not to let anyone judge us in respect of Sabbaths and emphasises that what is important is that we observe at least one day to the Lord.

James, whom we might have been expected to emphasise the Sabbath, says nothing about it. Peter and John are also totally silent about the matter apart from John's mention of the LORD's Day. Even Jesus never includes it when He lists the commandments. Did they all fail in their duty? Were they in contempt of the Sabbath? Where are you coming from? :)
 
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Maybe it doesn't matter to you but you aren't the one who set apart and made holy a particular day...

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

So what REALLY doesn't make a rat's ... is your contempt for God's Sabbath.
Obviously, I did not make myself clear.
So let me put it in question form.

The majority view here seems to be that the day we now call 'Saturday' should be the 'Sabbath'.

This pre-supposes that God began his work on a "Sunday" thus making Saturday the seventh day ?
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ?
 

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Obviously, I did not make myself clear.
So let me put it in question form.

The majority view here seems to be that the day we now call 'Saturday' should be the 'Sabbath'.

This pre-supposes that God began his work on a "Sunday" thus making Saturday the seventh day ?
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ?
Oh, you have made yourself clear alright.

The seventh day was set apart and made holy at creation...

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God (Jesus Christ) revealed the seventh day to Israel for forty YEARS. Every meal they were reminded which day the Sabbath.

Christ did all the creating and He knew which day the Sabbath was...

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

He passed this on to the Apostles and the church.

Why, even secular people seem to know something you don't know...

"By calculating the eclipses, it can be proven that no time has been lost and the creation days were seven, divided into 24 hours each."—Dr. Hinkley, The Watchman, July 1926 [Hinkley was a well-known astronomer].

"The human race never lost the septenary [seven day] sequence of week days and that the Sabbath of these latter times comes down to us from Adam, though the ages, without a single lapse."—Dr. Totten, professor of astronomy at Yale University.

"Seven has been the ancient and honored number among the nations of the earth. They have measured their time by weeks from the beginning. The origin of this was the Sabbath of God, as Moses has given the reasons for it in his writings."—Dr. Lyman Coleman.

"There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in any way the cycle of the week."—James Robertson, Director American Ephemeris, Navy Department, U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington, D.C., March 12, 1932.

"It can be said with assurance that not a day has been lost since Creation, and all the calendar changes notwithstanding, there has been no break in the weekly cycle."—Dr. Frank Jeffries, Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and Research Director of the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, England.

There is no question about which day the seventh day of the week is.
 

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Obviously, I did not make myself clear.
So let me put it in question form.

The majority view here seems to be that the day we now call 'Saturday' should be the 'Sabbath'.

This pre-supposes that God began his work on a "Sunday" thus making Saturday the seventh day ?
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ?
The dating of the Sabbath was based on the date when God first gave the manna to Israel (Exod 16.5, 22-26, 29). Genesis 2 did not mention the Sabbath. It only says that 'the seventh day was sanctified'. It was Moses who took that fact and applied it to the Sabbath which was ordered by YHWH in Exodus 26 on the basis that that too was on 'the seventh day' from when the manna was first given.
 

valiant

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Oh, you have made yourself clear alright.

The seventh day was set apart and made holy at creation...

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God (Jesus Christ) revealed the seventh day to Israel for forty YEARS. Every meal they were reminded which day the Sabbath.

Christ did all the creating and He knew which day the Sabbath was...

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

He passed this on to the Apostles and the church.

Why, even secular people seem to know something you don't know...

"By calculating the eclipses, it can be proven that no time has been lost and the creation days were seven, divided into 24 hours each."—Dr. Hinkley, The Watchman, July 1926 [Hinkley was a well-known astronomer].

"The human race never lost the septenary [seven day] sequence of week days and that the Sabbath of these latter times comes down to us from Adam, though the ages, without a single lapse."—Dr. Totten, professor of astronomy at Yale University.

"Seven has been the ancient and honored number among the nations of the earth. They have measured their time by weeks from the beginning. The origin of this was the Sabbath of God, as Moses has given the reasons for it in his writings."—Dr. Lyman Coleman.

"There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in any way the cycle of the week."—James Robertson, Director American Ephemeris, Navy Department, U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington, D.C., March 12, 1932.

"It can be said with assurance that not a day has been lost since Creation, and all the calendar changes notwithstanding, there has been no break in the weekly cycle."—Dr. Frank Jeffries, Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and Research Director of the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, England.

There is no question about which day the seventh day of the week is.
What this makes clear is that these gentlemen did not know what they were talking about. It is totally impossible to work back and determine when creation took place. Indeed when creation took place there were no 'days'. The length of a day was not fixed until the fourth 'day'. So they were whistling in the wind. The Sabbath was determined on the basis of when God first gave the manna.

And it is totally untrue to say that the nations observed a seven day week. The Babylonians had a five day 'week'
 

john832

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The dating of the Sabbath was based on the date when God first gave the manna to Israel (Exod 16.5, 22-26, 29). Genesis 2 did not mention the Sabbath. It only says that 'the seventh day was sanctified'. It was Moses who took that fact and applied it to the Sabbath which was ordered by YHWH in Exodus 26 on the basis that that too was on 'the seventh day' from when the manna was first given.
No it was God...

Exo 16:25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

Notice in verse 28 that it is God speaking? This was not Moses doing, this was straight from God's mouth.