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Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Michael, to say people under the Old Covenant was not born again is flawed. They knew Yeshua my friend and they had a relationship with Him just like we are suppose to have one today
remember, He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Michael, to say people under the Old Covenant was not born again is flawed. They knew Yeshua my friend and they had a relationship with Him just like we are suppose to have one today
remember, He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[SUP][b][/SUP][SUP]17 [/SUP]Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more
Heb10:16&17
That is being born again.
The Bible tells us that Yeshua and YHWH are the same yesterday, today and tomorrow and unless you can proof the contrary the onus is on you IMHO
IMHO
I understand that, so basically our sins are forgiven and we start with a new slate. So does that mean I am now free to sin and continue on my merry way? Do I now have a license to be lawless? No, of course not my friend, we have to set the example and change so that the world can see the difference.
Keep on spreading the good news!
Keep on spreading the good news!
S
If I walked up to 10 people and asked them if they knew what the 4 th commandment was, I would say not one would know!
I hope I'm wrong. When will you take time to really get to know God? When will you take time to study His Bible, to pray earnestly to the Creator as his Father. To meditate on the laws and purposes of life ? For most people, the true answer will probably be "never"--- unless they learn to obey the fourth commandment of Almighty God! Obedience to this little misunderstood commandment is a powerful factor in bringing the lives of men and women close to the Creator God-- and to His blessings and direct guidance .
God commands us to worship Him directly--and to avoid using any image,picture or physical object to "remind" us of the great Creator, or as an "aide" to worship. And we were warned against the vain use of the name of Almighty God, which stands for His position. His character, His power, His office as the great Ruler of this entire universe. The 4th commandment completed the first section of the Decalogue which deals with mans relationship to God. It provides the perpetual observance of a sign of the relationship between God and man. "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of The Lord thy God( not man's sabbath but Gods)in it thou shalt not do any work. Thou, nor thy son or daughter , servants, cattle, nor a stranger within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is. And rested the seventh day; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it"( Ex. 29:8-11).
thus command is, in its writing, the longest of any of the ten. It is placed, protectively as it were, in the very midst of the Ten Commandments. Yet, sad to say, it is the one command about which men" reason" and arque most and which they would most quickly tear asunder and try to separate from the rest of Gods law.
Notice that it starts out with the injunction to "remember." This very statement proves that the Sabbath command was already understood by God's chosen people and that, in incorporating it as part of His covenant, God was reminding them of a spiritual command in which they already had knowledge .
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." You cannot "keep" cold water hot! And mortal men Cannot make anything holy. Therefore, to fully grasp the significance of this divine command, we need to learn who made the Sabbath day holy and when!
Jesus said:" The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord, also of the Sabbath "(Mark 2:27-28). Notice that Jesus said the Sabbath day was "made."Whatever was made has a Maker.
note also that Jesus did not say that the Sabbath was made only for the Jewish people, but for MAN-- for all mankind, in other words.Then He stated that He--Christ--is" "Lord" of the Sabbath. In this statement. He claims to be- not the destroyer-- but the Lord of the Sabbath. In His human life, Jesus kept the Sabbath, and many verses in the four Gospels are devoted to His instructions to the disciples in how it should be kept, and in freeing it from traditions which the Jews had added.
Who Made The Sabbath Day?
in understanding the command to remember to keep the Sabbath day holy, you need to understand who made the Sabbath in the First Place!! The New Testament gives such an account in the first chapter of the Gospel according to John. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him: and without him was not any thing made that was made by him; and without him was not any thing that was made" (John1:1-3). Here we find Jesus Christ described as the "Word" ( or "Spokesperson," as the original Greek may more properly be rendered). This passage reveals that Jesus has been with the Father from the beginning, and that all things were made by Him-- by Jesus Christ! As the second person in the Godhead, the Father used Him as the instrument through whom the creation was brought into being. The apostle Paul was inspired to speak of how God "created all things by Jesus Christ "( Eph.3:19) In Hebrews we find Christ described as the Son of God, "whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds "( Heb. 1:2) these and many other scriptures show that He was the person in the Godhead who later became Jesus Christ, who actually carried out the job of creation! He was the one that said:" Let there be light," and there was light. He was the one who created man--and set him on this earth in the garden of Eden.
So speaking of Him on particular who did the creating, the inspired writer and Genesis states:" And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made: and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made" (Gen. 2:2-3)
Jesus said that the sabbath was made for man. Here we see that the sabbath was made when man was made. And it was made by the very divine person who later became Jesus Christ! It was made as an intrinsic part of the environment which surround man and which God made in the seven days of creation. Notice that God "blessed " the seventh day and sanctified" it. Such and honor was not conferred on any of the preceding six days. When God blesses something , He bestows His divine favor upon, and His divine presence in that thing. "Sanctify" means to set apart from holy use or purpose, a certain space of the most enduring thing there is --- time.
through Jesus Christ , God made the Seventh Day of the week holy-- and on His authority as our Creator He commands us to keep it that way! The Sabbath, then, is holy time. Our Creator knew we would need a period of rest and worship every seventh day. And this is the very basic purpose for which the Sabbath was created. Each of us becomes overly absorbed in our daily routine and work and pleasure during the week . Our Creator foresaw this and set aside His Sabbath day as a consecrated time when we can completely forget our daily routine and draw closer to the Creator God in study, meditation, and prayer.
I hope I'm wrong. When will you take time to really get to know God? When will you take time to study His Bible, to pray earnestly to the Creator as his Father. To meditate on the laws and purposes of life ? For most people, the true answer will probably be "never"--- unless they learn to obey the fourth commandment of Almighty God! Obedience to this little misunderstood commandment is a powerful factor in bringing the lives of men and women close to the Creator God-- and to His blessings and direct guidance .
God commands us to worship Him directly--and to avoid using any image,picture or physical object to "remind" us of the great Creator, or as an "aide" to worship. And we were warned against the vain use of the name of Almighty God, which stands for His position. His character, His power, His office as the great Ruler of this entire universe. The 4th commandment completed the first section of the Decalogue which deals with mans relationship to God. It provides the perpetual observance of a sign of the relationship between God and man. "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of The Lord thy God( not man's sabbath but Gods)in it thou shalt not do any work. Thou, nor thy son or daughter , servants, cattle, nor a stranger within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is. And rested the seventh day; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it"( Ex. 29:8-11).
thus command is, in its writing, the longest of any of the ten. It is placed, protectively as it were, in the very midst of the Ten Commandments. Yet, sad to say, it is the one command about which men" reason" and arque most and which they would most quickly tear asunder and try to separate from the rest of Gods law.
Notice that it starts out with the injunction to "remember." This very statement proves that the Sabbath command was already understood by God's chosen people and that, in incorporating it as part of His covenant, God was reminding them of a spiritual command in which they already had knowledge .
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." You cannot "keep" cold water hot! And mortal men Cannot make anything holy. Therefore, to fully grasp the significance of this divine command, we need to learn who made the Sabbath day holy and when!
Jesus said:" The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord, also of the Sabbath "(Mark 2:27-28). Notice that Jesus said the Sabbath day was "made."Whatever was made has a Maker.
note also that Jesus did not say that the Sabbath was made only for the Jewish people, but for MAN-- for all mankind, in other words.Then He stated that He--Christ--is" "Lord" of the Sabbath. In this statement. He claims to be- not the destroyer-- but the Lord of the Sabbath. In His human life, Jesus kept the Sabbath, and many verses in the four Gospels are devoted to His instructions to the disciples in how it should be kept, and in freeing it from traditions which the Jews had added.
Who Made The Sabbath Day?
in understanding the command to remember to keep the Sabbath day holy, you need to understand who made the Sabbath in the First Place!! The New Testament gives such an account in the first chapter of the Gospel according to John. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him: and without him was not any thing made that was made by him; and without him was not any thing that was made" (John1:1-3). Here we find Jesus Christ described as the "Word" ( or "Spokesperson," as the original Greek may more properly be rendered). This passage reveals that Jesus has been with the Father from the beginning, and that all things were made by Him-- by Jesus Christ! As the second person in the Godhead, the Father used Him as the instrument through whom the creation was brought into being. The apostle Paul was inspired to speak of how God "created all things by Jesus Christ "( Eph.3:19) In Hebrews we find Christ described as the Son of God, "whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds "( Heb. 1:2) these and many other scriptures show that He was the person in the Godhead who later became Jesus Christ, who actually carried out the job of creation! He was the one that said:" Let there be light," and there was light. He was the one who created man--and set him on this earth in the garden of Eden.
So speaking of Him on particular who did the creating, the inspired writer and Genesis states:" And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made: and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made" (Gen. 2:2-3)
Jesus said that the sabbath was made for man. Here we see that the sabbath was made when man was made. And it was made by the very divine person who later became Jesus Christ! It was made as an intrinsic part of the environment which surround man and which God made in the seven days of creation. Notice that God "blessed " the seventh day and sanctified" it. Such and honor was not conferred on any of the preceding six days. When God blesses something , He bestows His divine favor upon, and His divine presence in that thing. "Sanctify" means to set apart from holy use or purpose, a certain space of the most enduring thing there is --- time.
through Jesus Christ , God made the Seventh Day of the week holy-- and on His authority as our Creator He commands us to keep it that way! The Sabbath, then, is holy time. Our Creator knew we would need a period of rest and worship every seventh day. And this is the very basic purpose for which the Sabbath was created. Each of us becomes overly absorbed in our daily routine and work and pleasure during the week . Our Creator foresaw this and set aside His Sabbath day as a consecrated time when we can completely forget our daily routine and draw closer to the Creator God in study, meditation, and prayer.
Do I detect a "we must wave the flag" argument for doing good. Surely be merely expressing this point of view you are saying there is no difference between the saved and the unsaved, so there is only belief and theology.
If this was so I would not be a christian.
I was talking in church one time with a christian and we got on to the subject of loneliness. Now we all know the feeling of being alone, not being understood, of having a good ambition but it just not working out.
I realised that literally I did not feel alone anymore. But the person I was talking to looked at me as if this was impossible.
But that is what Jesus is saying, at the core of your being you are truly loved...You are truly understood...You can be completely healed...made whole.
So surely the church, the real kingdom is made of people who from their hearts love and care, reach out and make plain, share and are real, not because that appears good, or waving the flag, it is because of who they have become....
If this was so I would not be a christian.
I was talking in church one time with a christian and we got on to the subject of loneliness. Now we all know the feeling of being alone, not being understood, of having a good ambition but it just not working out.
I realised that literally I did not feel alone anymore. But the person I was talking to looked at me as if this was impossible.
But that is what Jesus is saying, at the core of your being you are truly loved...You are truly understood...You can be completely healed...made whole.
So surely the church, the real kingdom is made of people who from their hearts love and care, reach out and make plain, share and are real, not because that appears good, or waving the flag, it is because of who they have become....
I am not going to get into this argument again but the points I am going to leave you with are the following:
1) ABBA Father wrote the ten commandments with His own hand and if it was important to Him I will try to place value on what He said
2) For God to be the same yesterday, today and tomorrow He will not be able to change. So if He rested on the seventh day I will try to keep His word and keep the day holy because He said so
1) ABBA Father wrote the ten commandments with His own hand and if it was important to Him I will try to place value on what He said
2) For God to be the same yesterday, today and tomorrow He will not be able to change. So if He rested on the seventh day I will try to keep His word and keep the day holy because He said so
It is an interesting argument about rest, and what constitutes a rest. For some it is physical exersion, for others being alone, for others being with people. The principle seems to be de-stressing, getting away from you must do this part of the long list of needs and requirements.
The new testament seems to lay the emphasis on walking in Jesus's rest. What for me is most interesting is world wide it is accepted having one day off a week is good for everybody, and it is sensible we all generally have the same day off, so we can do things together. Did God give us the sabbath for Him or as a gift for us, to refresh and replenish ourselves?
Jesus implies it is for the good of all....
The new testament seems to lay the emphasis on walking in Jesus's rest. What for me is most interesting is world wide it is accepted having one day off a week is good for everybody, and it is sensible we all generally have the same day off, so we can do things together. Did God give us the sabbath for Him or as a gift for us, to refresh and replenish ourselves?
Jesus implies it is for the good of all....
Am I not a christian if I do not keep the Sabbath?
But which Sabbath, which day, what can I do, and what cannot I do? What about emergencies? What about social services like light and heating?
If I keep the sabbath what about graven images? Are these pictures of anything ie advertising, sculptures, buildings, models are included or is it more about intention and attitude?
Do not bow down to the sun, moon or stars. Now these things are still present everyday, it is ones attitude and approach that matters. Statues are used to commorate people, acts of courage, history, but are not worshiped. Photographs are used to remember events, make us feel better about ourselves.
The problem with legalism and taking this as the emphasis is it comes from the idea that rules justify you, rather rules are there for your protection and guidance. It is who you are, your relationships that justify you.
If you are born of the Spirit of God, walking in his love, accepting Jesus as you saviour, then you are justified.
But which Sabbath, which day, what can I do, and what cannot I do? What about emergencies? What about social services like light and heating?
If I keep the sabbath what about graven images? Are these pictures of anything ie advertising, sculptures, buildings, models are included or is it more about intention and attitude?
Do not bow down to the sun, moon or stars. Now these things are still present everyday, it is ones attitude and approach that matters. Statues are used to commorate people, acts of courage, history, but are not worshiped. Photographs are used to remember events, make us feel better about ourselves.
The problem with legalism and taking this as the emphasis is it comes from the idea that rules justify you, rather rules are there for your protection and guidance. It is who you are, your relationships that justify you.
If you are born of the Spirit of God, walking in his love, accepting Jesus as you saviour, then you are justified.
S
Learn to keep the Sabbath in a positive way ! Use the seventh day that God has sanctified and made holy as He has intended --to rest from worldly labor, to pray, to study and meditate on God's word and the purpose for human existence. Take time to do good to others to care for the sick, to visit the afflicted. Assemble with other true Christians on the Sabbath if this is possible. The seventh day and that day alone which God made holy is the commanded and God -blessed time for rest, for worship and for contemplation of the vital keys to the meaning if life.
S
John 14:15 if you love Me, keep My ccommandments.
Verse 12 --most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works, that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father
I really don't see how you can interpret this but one way.
God says yes or No he doesn't straddle the fence. His Yes means yes and His no means No he is not a God of confusion
Verse 12 --most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works, that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father
I really don't see how you can interpret this but one way.
God says yes or No he doesn't straddle the fence. His Yes means yes and His no means No he is not a God of confusion
I am not going to get into this argument again but the points I am going to leave you with are the following:
1) ABBA Father wrote the ten commandments with His own hand and if it was important to Him I will try to place value on what He said
2) For God to be the same yesterday, today and tomorrow He will not be able to change. So if He rested on the seventh day I will try to keep His word and keep the day holy because He said so
1) ABBA Father wrote the ten commandments with His own hand and if it was important to Him I will try to place value on what He said
2) For God to be the same yesterday, today and tomorrow He will not be able to change. So if He rested on the seventh day I will try to keep His word and keep the day holy because He said so
Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. Those words are also found in Hebrews, chapter 13, verse 8. In the following verses, 9 onwards, the writer of the epistle continues to encourage his readers not to focus on aspects of the old covenant (which God brought to an end without himself changing), but on Jesus and their new life in him. Gandalf, what you're doing is obviously not wrong, but it is no longer binding for us. It is wrong though, to take one verse, give it our own meaning and ignore the following verses because they won't agree with it (this is perhaps not what you're doing; perhaps you're unaware that that is there). Your view will change if you read the whole chapter though. Or why not read the whole book?
I've just come home from an evening at church, where we prepared for Easter. It was a lovely time of quieting ourselves before the Lord and contemplating what he went through in Gethsemane, the Last Supper and Judas' betrayal. I have a sense of his presence right now and don't want to spoil the atmosphere by continuing with this. Perhaps I'll return to this after Easter, perhaps not.
You are right again friend but ask yourself the question "what laws will be put on your hart for a non-changing God?"
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. [SUP]25[/SUP]As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” Acts21:24&25
Three of which are widely believe to been given in order to appease Jewish legalists who had become Christians
Please read the four Gospels and witness for yourself what JESUS of Nazareth did on the day of 'Sabbath'?
JESUS of Nazareth know 'best' how to 'keep' the Sabbath, then any religious person on earth.
JESUS said prior to all of these 'accusations' of HIM breaking the Sabbath, by the Pharisees who keep them diligently that;
"My FATHER is always working and I too must work."
And so, that will be what we 'practice' on the day of 'Sabbath', as our LORD did, given to everyone who are 'saved'.
JESUS of Nazareth know 'best' how to 'keep' the Sabbath, then any religious person on earth.
JESUS said prior to all of these 'accusations' of HIM breaking the Sabbath, by the Pharisees who keep them diligently that;
"My FATHER is always working and I too must work."
And so, that will be what we 'practice' on the day of 'Sabbath', as our LORD did, given to everyone who are 'saved'.
Micahel, how would you feel if I argue with about something you wrote and I do the following:
I changed what you wrote to what I feel comfortable with and post it as the truth. Are we not doing the same with God? He wrote ten commandments and gave it to Moses. Why do we leave out what He said and try to convince people it is the truth?
I changed what you wrote to what I feel comfortable with and post it as the truth. Are we not doing the same with God? He wrote ten commandments and gave it to Moses. Why do we leave out what He said and try to convince people it is the truth?