Sabbath

[LoveGodForever]

Did you know there is no evening to the Sabbath day of creation? there are evenings for all the other 6 days but not on the Sabbath. that is because the evening of that day is eternal. it foretells Christ as the true sabbath in whom God rest. of Heb. 4:1-13. For if we are born again in Christ we are in his Sabbath. know you not that your body is the temple of the Lord?

Hi ladd,

Funny about that. Here is me all this time thinking that the evening and the morning was made on the 1st day of the week.

Gen 1:3, And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4, And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5, And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Why would it need to be made again on the 7th Day when God had already completed his Work of Creation? (Gen 2:1-3)

God bless

 

[LoveGodForever]

Continuing from post 2300 linked here

God's 7th Day Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11) and the annual ceremonial Sabbaths for feast days of Col 2:14-17

What is the difference between God’s 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment and the annual feast sabbath(s) of Col 2:16-17? To answer this question you need to understand the difference between God’s Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses. Let’s have a look at what that Word of God says. God’s Law (10 commandments) had a similar (not same) role is it did in the Old Testament as it does in the New and that is;

God’s Law (10 commandments) had a similar (not same) role is it did in the Old Testament as it does in the New and that is to
(1) point out what sin is and the punishment of sin which is death (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come.

Scripture proof:
Ex 32:16; Ex 31:18; 31:18; Ex 20:1-22; Deut 10:5; Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Heb 7:19; Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1John 3:5-8; 1John 2:3-4; Ecc 3:14

(2) The laws of Moses however were the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation.

Scripture proof:
Lev 1:1-13; Lev 23:1-44; Num 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deut 24:10-11; Ex 24:3; Deut 31:24-26; Col 2:16-16; Heb 10:1; Eph 2:14-15; Lev 4; 5; 6; Heb 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29

Every reference in connection to Col 2:14-17 is in relation to (1) burnt offerings; (2) Sabbaths held at the New Moon feasts and at the appointed festivals and (3) food and drink offerings. The context is referring to the annual ceremonial feast days described in Leviticus Chapter 23; Numbers chapters 28 and 29. As mentioned earlier these were all done away at the cross because they were Shadows of an unfinished word that was completed at the death of Jesus (Col 2:16-17).

Let’s now look at what the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment actually says?

Exo 20:8-11,
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.

Now please notice some key points;

Where does it say in the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment of God’s Law that we need to do (1) burnt offerings (2) keep the annual Sabbaths at the New Moons at the appointed festivals and (3) offer food and drink offerings? It does not because it is God’s Law that points out sin. It is the same Law that we have today and is forever because it was made by God himself and represents the character of God and is the knowledge of good and evil. It shows us what sin is (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23).

Now notice the last part of the commandment in Ex 20:11 this is the reason the commandment was given. (v11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.This is a reference back to Gen 2:1-3
What does Genesis 2:1-3 teach us about God’s 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments?
GEN 2
[SUP]1[/SUP]Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [SUP]2[/SUP]And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.[SUP] 3[/SUP]And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Scripture context points:
* God finished all the work of creation on the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day of the week (v1)
* God ended His Work on the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day of the creation week and rested from all His work of creation, it was completed no more work required (v2)
* God blessed the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day and set it apart as a holy day as a memorial of creation

Critical questions and answers:

When was God’s 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath made, before the fall of mankind or after the fall of mankind?
It was made BEFORE the fall of mankind at the end of the creation week on the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day and was the result of a FINISHED work!

Was God’s work of creation a FINISHED WORK or an UNFUNISHED WORK?
The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath was the result of the FINISHED AND COMPLETED WORK of creation!

When were God’s Laws and the laws of Moses given, before the fall of mankind or after the fall of mankind? Obviously AFTER the fall of mankind (Ex 20:1-17, Lev 23:1-44, etc) they were part of God’s plan of salvation.
So in summary the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath is a memorial of the FINISHED work of creation and if it is a FINISHED work and a memorial of God’s creation that was given BEFORE the FALL of mankind before SIN had entered the world and before the plan of salvation was given to FALLEN man. If it was a part of a FINISHED work then it cannot be a Shadow of salvation because a Shadow was part of an UNFINISHED work given in the laws of Moses and was given AFTER the fall of mankind where the Sabbath was made before the fall.

Overall summary:
* Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses (v 14)

* The ceremonial laws of Moses included all the (1) food and drink offering, (2) feast days and festivals, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast sabbaths (v 16)

* These were all Shadows pointing to Jesus and were completed at His death (v14; 17)

* The in text context of Col 2:16 is referring to the Old Testament scriptures word for word in relation to the laws of Moses (Col 2:16-17; Eze 45:17-21; 1Ch 23:31; 2Ch 2:4; Hos 2:11; Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)

* God’s Law (10 commandments) was the work of God himself and separate from every other law given to Israel. Its role was to point out sin

* The laws of Moses were to teach Israel the plan of salvation pointing to Jesus which was completed at the death of Jesus. It could not identify sin but its provided a cure for sin in animal sacrificed and burnt offerings and food and drink offerings which all pointed to Jesus (Col 2:14-17)

* Col 2:16 is referring to the annual New Moon ceremonial sabbaths connected to feast days and mean and drink offerings and not the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment of God’s Law.

* God’s 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment is a reference to Gen 2:1-3 which is the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day of the creation week which was part of the FINISHED work creation given BEFORE the fall of mankind so cannot be a part of any Shadow plan of Salvation because its origin is in the FINISHED creation week BEFORE the fall.

Closing remarks:

Jesus says the Sabbath was made for man. He is the God of creation that made it for mankind. God commands us to keep the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath as a Holy day because he rested on this day. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. If we love him we must follow Him (Mark 2:27-28; John 14:15)

Hope this helps the faithful Bereans.

God bless you all line upon line and precept upon precept.....

 

[JaumeJ]

Remember to Read the passage


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[Grace777x70]

A Judaizing spirit is one that comes in and says "You must keep the law and the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old Testament is a part of it - if you don't then you are sinning and dis-obeying God."

All Judaizing stems from religious people that are either Jewish or trying to make themselves Jewish by saying we need "to keep the law of Moses". This Judaizing spirit rose it's ugly head from the onset of the gospel being preached. It is around today too.

Acts 15:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses."

Acts 15:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] "Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

Going back to live by the law is committing spiritual adultery on our Lord as Romans 7:1-6 shows.

We have died to the law of Moses, been released from the law of Moses and not under the law of Moses. It can't get any plainer than that.

We are now "joined to Another - to Christ Himself and living by the law of Moses is committing adultery on our Lord. We will NOT do that.

Only living by Christ can we bear fruit unto God.

Romans 7:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4[/SUP] Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

 

[JaumeJ]

I went to Jesus for my reference.

 

[loveme1]

The unlearned wrestle with the writings of Paul.. Peter tells us this and I shared this yesterday...

We can only do as we are taught knowing that the Word mixed with Faith is profitable.

Peter is openly saying that you must learn something before you will understand Paul.

Now if these folks would seek to learn they will start with the Good foundation... and then build from there... if not they will continue to struggle.. and those that have Good foundation will be Heretics to them because they refuse to believe.

 

[Grandpa]

The unlearned wrestle with the writings of Paul.. Peter tells us this and I shared this yesterday...

We can only do as we are taught knowing that the Word mixed with Faith is profitable.

Peter is openly saying that you must learn something before you will understand Paul.

Now if these folks would seek to learn they will start with the Good foundation... and then build from there... if not they will continue to struggle.. and those that have Good foundation will be Heretics to them because they refuse to believe.

2 Peter 3:15-18
[FONT=&quot]15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.


Beware lest you be led away with the error of the wicked.

How do you prevent being led away with the error of the wicked?

Grow in the Grace and the Knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 3:20-26
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[FONT=&quot]20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


Legalists especially are supposed to be doers of the word. But if they would grow in the Grace and Knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ I suspect they wouldn't be legalists anymore.


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[Grandpa]

Continuing from post 2300 linked here

God's 7th Day Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11) and the annual ceremonial Sabbaths for feast days of Col 2:14-17

What is the difference between God’s 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment and the annual feast sabbath(s) of Col 2:16-17? To answer this question you need to understand the difference between God’s Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses. Let’s have a look at what that Word of God says. God’s Law (10 commandments) had a similar (not same) role is it did in the Old Testament as it does in the New and that is;

God’s Law (10 commandments) had a similar (not same) role is it did in the Old Testament as it does in the New and that is to
(1) point out what sin is and the punishment of sin which is death (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come.

Scripture proof:
Ex 32:16; Ex 31:18; 31:18; Ex 20:1-22; Deut 10:5; Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Heb 7:19; Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1John 3:5-8; 1John 2:3-4; Ecc 3:14

(2) The laws of Moses however were the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation.

Scripture proof:
Lev 1:1-13; Lev 23:1-44; Num 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deut 24:10-11; Ex 24:3; Deut 31:24-26; Col 2:16-16; Heb 10:1; Eph 2:14-15; Lev 4; 5; 6; Heb 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29

Every reference in connection to Col 2:14-17 is in relation to (1) burnt offerings; (2) Sabbaths held at the New Moon feasts and at the appointed festivals and (3) food and drink offerings. The context is referring to the annual ceremonial feast days described in Leviticus Chapter 23; Numbers chapters 28 and 29. As mentioned earlier these were all done away at the cross because they were Shadows of an unfinished word that was completed at the death of Jesus (Col 2:16-17).

Let’s now look at what the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment actually says?

Exo 20:8-11,
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.

Now please notice some key points;

Where does it say in the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment of God’s Law that we need to do (1) burnt offerings (2) keep the annual Sabbaths at the New Moons at the appointed festivals and (3) offer food and drink offerings? It does not because it is God’s Law that points out sin. It is the same Law that we have today and is forever because it was made by God himself and represents the character of God and is the knowledge of good and evil. It shows us what sin is (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23).

Now notice the last part of the commandment in Ex 20:11 this is the reason the commandment was given. (v11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.This is a reference back to Gen 2:1-3
What does Genesis 2:1-3 teach us about God’s 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments?
GEN 2
[SUP]1[/SUP]Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [SUP]2[/SUP]And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.[SUP] 3[/SUP]And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Scripture context points:
* God finished all the work of creation on the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day of the week (v1)
* God ended His Work on the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day of the creation week and rested from all His work of creation, it was completed no more work required (v2)
* God blessed the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day and set it apart as a holy day as a memorial of creation

Critical questions and answers:

When was God’s 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath made, before the fall of mankind or after the fall of mankind?
It was made BEFORE the fall of mankind at the end of the creation week on the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day and was the result of a FINISHED work!

Was God’s work of creation a FINISHED WORK or an UNFUNISHED WORK?
The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath was the result of the FINISHED AND COMPLETED WORK of creation!

When were God’s Laws and the laws of Moses given, before the fall of mankind or after the fall of mankind? Obviously AFTER the fall of mankind (Ex 20:1-17, Lev 23:1-44, etc) they were part of God’s plan of salvation.
So in summary the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath is a memorial of the FINISHED work of creation and if it is a FINISHED work and a memorial of God’s creation that was given BEFORE the FALL of mankind before SIN had entered the world and before the plan of salvation was given to FALLEN man. If it was a part of a FINISHED work then it cannot be a Shadow of salvation because a Shadow was part of an UNFINISHED work given in the laws of Moses and was given AFTER the fall of mankind where the Sabbath was made before the fall.

Overall summary:
* Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses (v 14)

* The ceremonial laws of Moses included all the (1) food and drink offering, (2) feast days and festivals, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast sabbaths (v 16)

* These were all Shadows pointing to Jesus and were completed at His death (v14; 17)

* The in text context of Col 2:16 is referring to the Old Testament scriptures word for word in relation to the laws of Moses (Col 2:16-17; Eze 45:17-21; 1Ch 23:31; 2Ch 2:4; Hos 2:11; Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)

* God’s Law (10 commandments) was the work of God himself and separate from every other law given to Israel. Its role was to point out sin

* The laws of Moses were to teach Israel the plan of salvation pointing to Jesus which was completed at the death of Jesus. It could not identify sin but its provided a cure for sin in animal sacrificed and burnt offerings and food and drink offerings which all pointed to Jesus (Col 2:14-17)

* Col 2:16 is referring to the annual New Moon ceremonial sabbaths connected to feast days and mean and drink offerings and not the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment of God’s Law.

* God’s 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment is a reference to Gen 2:1-3 which is the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day of the creation week which was part of the FINISHED work creation given BEFORE the fall of mankind so cannot be a part of any Shadow plan of Salvation because its origin is in the FINISHED creation week BEFORE the fall.

Closing remarks:

Jesus says the Sabbath was made for man. He is the God of creation that made it for mankind. God commands us to keep the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath as a Holy day because he rested on this day. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. If we love him we must follow Him (Mark 2:27-28; John 14:15)

Hope this helps the faithful Bereans.

God bless you all line upon line and precept upon precept.....

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Do you suspect that you are not under some of those jots and tittles because you are under the Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ?

If some of those jots and tittles have passed what does that say for the whole law?

I'll help you with scripture.

2 Corinthians 3:7-8
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Christianity is not that complicated.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

 

[JaumeJ]

Here is an example of the Word mixed with Faith.

ost of us believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

When we read Isaiah, we learn that Jesusis calle God wih us, Immanuel.

Isaiah also teaches us from God that Jesus is the Everlasting Father, God Almighty, Ruler of Peace, Comforter, adn more.

I believe Jesus christ is the Son of God, and I believe I am saved because of this Belief. It gives me a thrill whenever I realize that, Yes! I do believe Jesus is the Son of God, and all the rrest of the above.

I believe all of the above because of the faith given me by the Fahter when His Holy Spirit first entered into me. It is wonderfu, ye I always pray,

"Father in heaven, I believe Jesus christ is YIour Only Begotten Son, help my lack of faith always, and increase it."

I do not pray this because my fiath has waned, but rather I ask for more faith because it may be that I will be called to step out in faith for something so drastic as dying for the sake of the Gospel of Jesus christ.

Unlike Paul, I cannot say with crtainty that I am prepared now for such, though I liek to believe I am. Therefore I pray for more faith.

As for believing all the abov e, my God is truly All Mighty, ad He will do what pleases Him, ad what Pleases Him is always good.

I do not claim to understand all the above, but I do believe all the above in faith holding out for His mysteries to be given me come His Glorious Day, and What A Day tha will be. Praise God, amen.

 

[loveme1]

2 Peter 3:15-18
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.


Beware lest you be led away with the error of the wicked.

How do you prevent being led away with the error of the wicked?

Grow in the Grace and the Knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 3:20-26

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


Legalists especially are supposed to be doers of the word. But if they would grow in the Grace and Knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ I suspect they wouldn't be legalists anymore.

Those that grow in Grace and knowledge of the Lord... have the royal law within them.

You are confusing saints with those in unbelief.

a saint is married to the New Husband... confuse them not with those clinging to the Old in unbelief.

 

[beta]

Had Jesus arisen on the sabbath of that week, He could not have fulfilled His own prophecy that He would be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

Assuming that Christ died on Wednesday and was buried at sundown (Thursday), three days and three nights would take us to the end of the sabbath (Saturday), AFTER which He rose on the first day of the week.

Wed 6 pm to Thur 6 pm = Day 1
Thur 6 pm to Fri 6 pm = Day 2
Fri 6 pm to Sat 6 pm = Day 3

Any time between 6 pm on Saturday to 6 pm on Sunday would be the first day of the week. However, since the tomb was already vacant very early in the morning, Christ arose possibly after midnight on Sunday morning.

And constant harping on "Sunday" deflects from Bible truth. If you want to be honest, call it the Lord's Day, since that is what the apostle John called it, and what Christians have called it ever since. And that would put a big dent in your beliefs.

As you say yourself - 3 days and 3 nights would take us to the end of Sabbath if Jesus was buried on Wednesday....and that is exactly when He rose !!!
If you notice He was buried before sunset on Wednesday as the Sabbath drew on, Joh 19v31 (for that sabbath was a high day) it was not yet the sabbath. Therefore we count 3 days and 3 nights of 12 hours in each=72 hours and arrive at just before sunset on the Sabbath. So why would you say Jesus rose AFTER that time on the 1st day of the week ??? Because He was SEEN then ???

You are ASSUMING that was the day of His resurrection and including it in scripture and OBVIOUSLY not true !
What did Jesus say to Thomas ? 'because you see you believe, blessed are they that have not seen yet believe. We can take this to mean 'to believe in the resurrection that was not seen for then you would have the TRUE JESUS and not the imposter proclaimed by the RCC church.

It's not what you SEE that is of faith but what is unseen...and without faith it is not possible to please God Heb 11. In fact it goes deeper than not pleasing God...what is not of faith is SIN ! and be the death of you if not repented and turned from.

 

[garee]

Hi LoveGodForever

I would offer, we cannot seprate the law of God from the law of God by calling God's law, the law of Moses as if one thought came from the will of man . We walk, (understand) by faith the unseen eternal not shadows as that seen the temporal .

Two kinds of laws . One seen the literal it kills, and the other not seen the "law of faith" the spiritual it brings new spirit life and a new heart by which we can exercidse workout the free gift that could never die. Not work for, using shadows

For the Jews require a sign,(shadows) and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock,Co 1:22

Signs are for those who rebel, the shadow seekers. Christ call them natural unconvered man an evil geaneration the generation of Adam as in all who have not been born again die

Joh 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see "signs and wonders", ye will not believe. (No faith)

It would seem you are following the same path of the apostate Jews above. They required a sign by performing a ceremonial law (shadow) confusing the eternal substance not seen as a work they could perform before they would exercise faith. (ye will not believe)

The Greek rather than demanding a sign as a shadow before they would believe would say show me God by your intellect. the wisdom of this world as philosophies of men (both stumbled over that not seen, the eternal )

I think we should review on how we can hear our eternal God who has no form (he is not a shadow)

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen (shadows) , but at the things which are not seen (the spiritual)for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Dividing shadows, the temporal as that seen used as parables to reveal the eternal faith principle from shadows as that seen as other parables used as a shadow..... does not add up to a moral law that govens the moraliy of the whole planet.

The instructions I beleive are we compare the unseen eternal (faith) the hidden spiritual understanding using shadows to the same unseen eternal, using shadows. Romans identifies the gospel in that way. Not from shadow as that seen to the shadow as that seen.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Rom 1:16 ......Not sight the oposite of faith, a shadow as that seen to sight of another shadow

Not from shadows as that seen to shadows as that seen (walking by sight)

God’s 4th commandment is a reference to Gen 2:1-3 which is the 7th day of the creation week which was part of the FINISHED work creation given BEFORE the fall of mankind so cannot be a part of any Shadow plan of Salvation because its origin is in the FINISHED creation week BEFORE the fall.

The word Sabbath is not a time sensitive word no matter which way you add to it which diminishes the meaning…… it means “rest” with no other meaning added.

This is whether the reason of the ceremonial law,( laws that govern ceremonies) used as shadows and not moral laws law that govern the morality of the whole world is according to the Exodus’s parable related the “rest” we do enter (not the Saturday we enter) when we hear His voice and harden not our hearts using the Exodus account as another historic parable pointed back as a shadow to the rest (not pointing to Saturday) or the Deuteronomy parable another shadow of the same rest. .Again we do not compare shadows as that seen to other shadows. Which in the end of the matter turns things upside down as the apostate Jews were known for doing.

Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Why do you think he uses two different reasons as different kind of parables. Does he use different parables to help us understand what; thou shalt not murder means ?

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow (the Sabbath days) of things to come; but the body is of Christ.Col 2:17

Dividing a shadow as that seen (the temporal) from another shadow (the temporal) a person will miss the spiritual as that not see the eternal understanding. It is why I believe he gives us two different reasons for receiving the rest we have when we do hear His voice and not harden our hearts..


Not mixing faith the unseen eternal in whatwe do hear only show a person has hardened their heart refusing the rest and come up with a different rendering of the first verse in chapter 4. It does not read according to your interpretation below.


The judaizers interpretation ..Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his Saturday , any of you should seem to come short of Saturday For unto us who seek after a sign as if it was the substance was another gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the shadow preached did not profit them, not being mixed with the "things seen" in them that heard it.

How long is today?… seeing we rest by faith and not by looking at shadows?

Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: (no faith) Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day "if" ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.Heb 4:6

 

[loveme1]

Hi LoveGodForever

I would offer, we cannot seprate the law of God from the law of God by calling God's law, the law of Moses as if one thought came from the will of man . We walk, (understand) by faith the unseen eternal not shadows as that seen the temporal .

Two kinds of laws . One seen the literal it kills, and the other not seen the "law of faith" the spiritual it brings new spirit life and a new heart by which we can exercidse workout the free gift that could never die. Not work for, using shadows

For the Jews require a sign,(shadows) and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock,Co 1:22

Signs are for those who rebel, the shadow seekers. Christ call them natural unconvered man an evil geaneration the generation of Adam as in all who have not been born again die

Joh 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see "signs and wonders", ye will not believe. (No faith)

It would seem you are following the same path of the apostate Jews above. They required a sign by performing a ceremonial law (shadow) confusing the eternal substance not seen as a work they could perform before they would exercise faith. (ye will not believe)

The Greek rather than demanding a sign as a shadow before they would believe would say show me God by your intellect. the wisdom of this world as philosophies of men (both stumbled over that not seen, the eternal )

I think we should review on how we can hear our eternal God who has no form (he is not a shadow)

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen (shadows) , but at the things which are not seen (the spiritual)for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Dividing shadows, the temporal as that seen used as parables to reveal the eternal faith principle from shadows as that seen as other parables used as a shadow..... does not add up to a moral law that govens the moraliy of the whole planet.

The instructions I beleive are we compare the unseen eternal (faith) the hidden spiritual understanding using shadows to the same unseen eternal, using shadows. Romans identifies the gospel in that way. Not from shadow as that seen to the shadow as that seen.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Rom 1:16 ......Not sight the oposite of faith, a shadow as that seen to sight of another shadow

Not from shadows as that seen to shadows as that seen (walking by sight)



The word Sabbath is not a time sensitive word no matter which way you add to it which diminishes the meaning…… it means “rest” with no other meaning added.

This is whether the reason of the ceremonial law,( laws that govern ceremonies) used as shadows and not moral laws law that govern the morality of the whole world is according to the Exodus’s parable related the “rest” we do enter (not the Saturday we enter) when we hear His voice and harden not our hearts using the Exodus account as another historic parable pointed back as a shadow to the rest (not pointing to Saturday) or the Deuteronomy parable another shadow of the same rest. .Again we do not compare shadows as that seen to other shadows. Which in the end of the matter turns things upside down as the apostate Jews were known for doing.

Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Why do you think he uses two different reasons as different kind of parables. Does he use different parables to help us understand what; thou shalt not murder means ?

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow (the Sabbath days) of things to come; but the body is of Christ.Col 2:17

Dividing a shadow as that seen (the temporal) from another shadow (the temporal) a person will miss the spiritual as that not see the eternal understanding. It is why I believe he gives us two different reasons for receiving the rest we have when we do hear His voice and not harden our hearts..


Not mixing faith the unseen eternal in whatwe do hear only show a person has hardened their heart refusing the rest and come up with a different rendering of the first verse in chapter 4. It does not read according to your interpretation below.


The judaizers interpretation ..Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his Saturday , any of you should seem to come short of Saturday For unto us who seek after a sign as if it was the substance was another gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the shadow preached did not profit them, not being mixed with the "things seen" in them that heard it.

How long is today?… seeing we rest by faith and not by looking at shadows?

Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: (no faith) Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day "if" ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.Heb 4:6

It is the Testimony of the Messiah that Teaches us the Commandments.. we do not seperate them ourselves. The High Priest that goes in to the holiest does it.

 

[garee]

Dear Grandpa,

The scriptures are wonderful but the application of them is misleading. No one here is trying to work at the Law. No one is teaching you or others to do so. We are saved by our faith through grace and not of ourselves it is a gift of God (Eph 2:8). Now if no one is saying then what are you talking about? If no one is saying what your saying then you have no argument right?

If we begin by turning things upside down in the end how could they be right side up? We are not save by a faith we offer towards God coming from us. The apostate Jews sought after signs as shadows and not that not seen the faith principle. They also came up with the same idea ...We are saved by our faith offered towards Him through our own grace. Making the faith of Christ as the work of Christ to no effect.

We are saved by Christ's work of faith towards us according to his labor of love not shadows that point to his unseen substance.


Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again (and again) the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

And therefore crucyifing him over and over to public shame as if one demonstration was not enough.


Accrediting one self by not keeping the comandment (James 2:1) not to have the faith of God in respect to humans as if the faith came from the imagination of one's own heart is to preach another gospel .Its not our dead faith we offer towards Him that can save .It is the work of Christ's faith towards us that we can belive Him and not shadows

Turning things upside down only reveals those in the Hebrews 6 boat as those who blaspheme the holy name by which we called from heaven . Better things other than "shadows" accompany salvation.

 

[ladd]

For if we are in Christ whom have believed do enter into rest. a never ending rest were we come boldly unto the throne of grace. that we may obtain mercy. there is no time limit on it. for if we are living in his rest then we are living in his Sabbath daily and His spirit is in us. We are not braking any Sabbath law because we are the temple, in His eternal rest. I believe we are in agreement here.

 

[ladd]

all the 6 days have record of evening and morning except the 7th. The 7th is the day of rest. this is Gods rest, we fall in that rest in Jesus Christ in Hub. 4.

 

[JaumeJ]

Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Read all of the passages in the chapter. We must labour to enter into that rest.......is this not plain words.

Again, the fields of wheat are ripe for the harvest, pray then for laborers to work the harvest.

The laborers would be those with the Gospel to share with all.

 

[JaumeJ]

Since I have had memory of th w knowledge of Jesus, I have always heard of the thousand years of peac.
When I first heard , read, the teaching that with God a thousand years is like a day and ady like a thousand years I have related that directly with creation, and the six days plus one.

It seemed quite natural to my child¡s mind that the six days were six thousand years and the seventh day aother thousand.

It seemed right that as we work six days and res on teh seventh so the labor of this age is six days and we rest on the seventh.

Now a thousand years is but a thousand years so there must be something after that thousand years of peace. meanwhile as we await
for everything to change for all eternity for us with our Father.....

I never read this exactly, but it seems how things must be. I do not think our Father is going to give us the new heaven and teh new earth for a thousand years and then nothing since we are sukpposed to be together for all eternity.

I would ask on thing of all who believe they are entered into eternal res with Jesus chrit, and that is, quit your jobs and rest completly because I know of no man with worldly responsibilities who can "rest" without having to work...perhaps teh idle wealthy can get away with this, but they are so worried about their wealth they do whatever it takes to keep it, only to die and look forward to judgment. This does not mean they will not be with God forever, but the camel and the eye of the needle does come into mind.

 

[garee]

Since I have had memory of th w knowledge of Jesus, I have always heard of the thousand years of peac.
When I first heard , read, the teaching that with God a thousand years is like a day and ady like a thousand years I have related that directly with creation, and the six days plus one.

It seemed quite natural to my child¡s mind that the six days were six thousand years and the seventh day aother thousand.

We are to let the Spirit to gives us ears to hear the words of the faith of God, in respect to the mind of Christ as the things of God ....not the mind of a child as the things of men

A thousand years is a metaphor used in parables that signifies a unknown amount (we walk by faith) . Not a thousand literal years is a day. God has no time restraints.

Gen 20:16 And unto Sarah he said, Behold, I have given thy brother a thousand pieces of silver: behold, he is to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all that are with thee, and with all other: thus she was reproved.

There the word thousand which again signifies all of the money .Money cannot buy the Love of God

Job 33:23 If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness:

There he is confirming God is not a man as us and neither is there an infallible interpret dressed with flesh as an out appearance, between God and man as if we did need a man to teach us.

Deuteronomy 32:30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?

There he uses that parable to inform us of the spiritual understanding using he word thousand again as a unknown saying Christ must increase we must decrease.

Psa 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
Psa 50:11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.

Or using the word thousand to signify he is ot hungry and if all of the hills and the cattle did not belong to Him whose name is Jealous .

Jon 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more then sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

In that parable using six to signify the number of natural uncoverted man (the beast of th efield)who have no spiritual understanding not knowing the will of the right hand or the left when it comes to the gospel the source of our understanding .

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. There again the word thousand signifies an unknow amount of time which began when the veil was rent signnaling the last days that end on the day of he Lord.Five time in that parable Revelation 20 he uses the word thousand to represent a unknown, unknowable.

 

[JaumeJ]

How very nice for you. When the Holy Spirit entered into me in 1969 on what is called Good Friday, my heart soul and mind have been satisfied with this knowledge of the seven days and the thousand years of peace.

now unlike many here, I do not claim to be privvy to all of the details of teh after age and after life with God...yes I knowlife began with the gift of faith in Jesus christ......but what I do understand was not given me by flesh.

I do know ey hath not seen nor ear hath heard of teh good ness to come, and I am not ging to pass myself off as epert on all detail, but I can tell you we are on the threshold of the seventh thousand years because the year on the Hebrew calendar, 5777 is only an approximation. Why an approximatio?

When the calendar was first calculated by Hebrew scholars it was calculated using the numbers given in the geanalogies since Adam. Some of the ages were missing . In order not to break the law ob not adding to or take away from the Word of god the scholars only used the numbers given. This leave at least one maybe more, I do not know how many, genealogies not included .


This being the case, by the numbers we do have the milleneum period is less than 223 years from today. Considering how long people were iving back in the day, the missing years could be that many or more. Obviously it is not more because the milleneum has not yet arrived.

This information on the Hebrew calendar, the lunar that is, is fro varied soursces, Hebrew, so if you need to learn more for yourelf, either hear withthat special ear yo have or research.

In the future when you are addressing family in Christ, it would behoove you not to give lessons on receiving the Holy Spirit and what It imparts to any brother or sister, because all receive according to God¡s will not an able ear.

We are to let the Spirit to gives us ears to hear the words of the faith of God, in respect to the mind of Christ as the things of God ....not the mind of a child as the things of men

A thousand years is a metaphor used in parables that signifies a unknown amount (we walk by faith) . Not a thousand literal years is a day. God has no time restraints.

Gen 20:16 And unto Sarah he said, Behold, I have given thy brother a thousand pieces of silver: behold, he is to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all that are with thee, and with all other: thus she was reproved.

There the word thousand which again signifies all of the money .Money cannot buy the Love of God

Job 33:23 If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness:

There he is confirming God is not a man as us and neither is there an infallible interpret dressed with flesh as an out appearance, between God and man as if we did need a man to teach us.

Deuteronomy 32:30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?

There he uses that parable to inform us of the spiritual understanding using he word thousand again as a unknown saying Christ must increase we must decrease.

Psa 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
Psa 50:11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.

Or using the word thousand to signify he is ot hungry and if all of the hills and the cattle did not belong to Him whose name is Jealous .

Jon 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more then sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

In that parable using six to signify the number of natural uncoverted man (the beast of th efield)who have no spiritual understanding not knowing the will of the right hand or the left when it comes to the gospel the source of our understanding .

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. There again the word thousand signifies an unknow amount of time which began when the veil was rent signnaling the last days that end on the day of he Lord.Five time in that parable Revelation 20 he uses the word thousand to represent a unknown, unknowable.