Sabbath

LoveGodForever · Oct 12, 2017

Dan I think you may be losing a lot of content and getting posts and scripture mixed up. Your first quote below.......

Is in reference to what I wrote in post # 3275 about being Born again through God's Word....

Then I replied in post # 3277 that God has his people in all Churches and was discussing Revelation and the call of God's people to leave the fallen Churches to worship God in Spirit and in truth in the true fold (God's Word)...........

Then in post # 3279 I added as a PS to make sure there was no misunderstanding for you that ........

LoveGodForever said:

This was followed by another post # 3283 describing God's people in all Churches and God's true Church as described from God's Word...............

Then your next post was pretty much the same as your first post above........

Dan_473 said:

Now about being Born again and living up to all the knowledge God has provided someone has already been answered in my earlier posts to you above and re-emphasized in post 3279. So I am not sure why you are repeating it again.

Then I added posts # 3302 and 3303for further clarity in relation to the Born again Christian and the true followers of God. Then you post........

Dan_473 said:

This part of your other post is correct in relation to a born again Christian. However my original comments were in regards to your earlier post that did not include that scripture. Also it is still not relevant to my comments which was that your post was not what I was saying therefore not correct.

I only write the above as a help to the conversation.

May God' bless you as you study His Word....

LoveGodForever · Oct 12, 2017

Hi Dan,

I am a little confused with your posting as your last post seems to be saying the opposite to your earlier post....

Earlier...........

Dan_473 said:

Last........

Dan_473 said:

If your last post is correct may God be blessed for showing you the way. May you always hear His voice speaking through His Word.

LoveGodForever · Oct 12, 2017

Studyman said:

There is a test we can take to make sure we "Take Heed" that we are not deceived by "Those who come in His name", which can only be one group of people on the planet, and that is Christians.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

I think this is important to consider given all the warnings about being deceived. I understand it is "Christian" tradition, for the most part, to ignore God's Holy Sabbaths while still claiming to be His Children. But there is no reason for us to be deceived if we follow this simple test God gives us.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

There were laws that Jesus didn't follow. For instance He forgave sins without any "Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial, "works of the Law" for remission of sins Paul mentioned in Gal.3. He healed people "apart" from this law. He never once sprinkled blood on the alter to forgive a sin.

But He certainly did keep His Fathers Sabbaths to the point of whipping folks who defiled it.

He did keep God's Holy Days. Mainstream Christianity(MC) also has a tradition of rejecting these as well.

He never created an image of God after His own imagination which is part of the first and greatest commandment. Yet it is also MC tradition to create images of God/Jesus as a long haired, handsome man. Christianity is connected at the hip with these images which are in direct disobedience to God's first and greatest commandment.

These are not my judgments, but judgments of God that are in every Bible in the world. And these "traditions" are not new either. In fact we are warned by Paul about this very thing.

1 Cor. 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

Where is this quote from?

Ex. 32:4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.
6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.

Another reference to a MC tradition of creating their own "Feasts unto the Lord".

This all is revealed with the "Mirror" James speaks of.

It's not just about the Sabbath. It's about the God of Abraham vs. the god of man's church. And this battle has been going on since Abel was killed by his "Christian" brother.

So how can you "love your neighbor as yourself" if you teach "doctrines and traditions of man" over the teaching and walk of Christ?

Wonderful thread, great civil conversation between the brethren about important things.

Hi Studyman,

Great few posts for your introduction. Big welcome to CC. I agree with your two posts and praise God that he is teaching us and calling us to help others. Many will be called but few will be chosen. God is calling us to be his people; The invitation is for all who have ears to hear and eyes to see. Jesus says; He stands at the door and knocks and if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. He is calling all to be the people of the Word because he is the Word.

beta · Oct 12, 2017

Dan_473 said:

I would say that a true Christian is one who WALKS with Yashua/Jesus at all times as one of His Disciples...including being instructed on the Sabbath...it being one reason why we don't do our own thing on that holy day.
Let's not forget that we are also instructed to 'do the Will of God to enter HIS kingdom...and I would say that God's Commandments are an expression of 'His Will....not seen them rescinded anywhere.

Studyman · Oct 12, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Thanks for the kind words. About 25 years ago I separated myself (or God did) from all Mainstream teaching, at least as much as possible in this country. I knew they taught differently than Jesus so I chose to follow Him over MC doctrine. I followed His Commandments as best as I could, fasted and prayed many, many times. After several years of frustration and temper tantrums, I noticed that I started having an understanding about scriptures that I didn't have before. I had a drive to study and learn more. There are 8 of us who held Sabbath at our homes and did word studies and so on.

I would never have even considered subjecting myself to the various doctrines which Jesus strictly warned about. But a year ago I had this drive to search out a forum. I have since debated and shared what I have learned on several forums. Not well received as you surely know, but a great faith builder for me as I can see the scriptures come alive in the discussions.

I have to say your posts are the first I have ever encountered that seem to understand the Word VS. Mainstream Doctrine.

Today was "The Last Great Day" of Feast of Tabernacles. A reminder that we are strangers and sojourners in a strange land waiting for that City "For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God."

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Thanks you for your reply and the spiritual lift we all received from the truth in your posts.

Rom. 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Thank you once again.

beta · Oct 12, 2017

Studyman said:

Thanks for the kind words. About 25 years ago I separated myself (or God did) from all Mainstream teaching, at least as much as possible in this country. I knew they taught differently than Jesus so I chose to follow Him over MC doctrine. I followed His Commandments as best as I could, fasted and prayed many, many times. After several years of frustration and temper tantrums, I noticed that I started having an understanding about scriptures that I didn't have before. I had a drive to study and learn more. There are 8 of us who held Sabbath at our homes and did word studies and so on.

I would never have even considered subjecting myself to the various doctrines which Jesus strictly warned about. But a year ago I had this drive to search out a forum. I have since debated and shared what I have learned on several forums. Not well received as you surely know, but a great faith builder for me as I can see the scriptures come alive in the discussions.

I have to say your posts are the first I have ever encountered that seem to understand the Word VS. Mainstream Doctrine.

Today was "The Last Great Day" of Feast of Tabernacles. A reminder that we are strangers and sojourners in a strange land waiting for that City "For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God."

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Thanks you for your reply and the spiritual lift we all received from the truth in your posts.

Rom. 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Thank you once again.

No my friend ...you are not left alone...there are a few others beside you ! some of us getting a bit 'battlescarred after nearly 40 years...but we soldier on !

LoveGodForever · Oct 13, 2017

Studyman said:

Hi Studyman,

Fantastic testimony of God's leading in your life! Truly inspirational and I feel blessed in your sharing of God's leading.

I had a somewhat different experience in that I first started seeking God by reading the bible by myself alone at home and not attending any Church as such. This story is about God's leading me as I was seeking him through His Word. After sometime of reading God's Word the best I knew how and being very new to the bible and the things of God, I came across a bible verse that said; Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you (Matthew 6:33). At the time that scripture really made a deep impression on me as it still does today many years latter.

At that point in time I did not have any work and was not very well off. So I knew I had a part to play and that was to seek first above all things God's Kingdom and his righteousness. I did not need to worry about anything else if I was doing this nothing else mattered. Not too far latter I came across another promise in God's Word that said; But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you (John 14:26). This also made a deep impression on me as I was reading it. This was soon followed by other promises in God's Word saying similar things about God promising to be my teacher but everything was conditional on continuing in His Word and seeking him above all things (first). (John 8:31-34; 7:17; 16:13).

So this was something I was living by,everyday seeking God through His Word. As I was reading his Word (praying for God's Spirit for guidance and claiming the promises) I came across other scripture saying not to forsake the assembling of yourselves together (Hebrew 10:25). At the same time I was reading other scriptures of warning saying that in the last days there would be many false prophets and Christs that if possible would deceive God's very elect. (Matthew 24:24; 2 Peter 2:1, etc).

As I was reading all these verses it was like God was showing me something special. Here I was considering going and joining a Church for fellowship and God was telling me how am I ever going to find who the right Church was? When I looked out all I could see was 100's of Church's all professing they are the true Church of God. Not all of them could be right? To me at the time this was the meaning of the Scripture in the last days there shall be many false prophets and teachers to deceive if possible God's very elect....

I prayed to God about this problem of mine. I asked Lord how will I ever find your true Church I do not even know what your truth is...

As I continued in God's Word I believe he was teaching me more and more everyday. To cut a long story short God's Word clearly describes God's people as those that through faith the works by love keep all of God's commandments... Then the light came on for me.... What is the distinguishing feature between all these Churches all professing to know God and his true Church? God's true Church keep ALL of God's commandments through their Faith in God's Word....

99.9% of Christianity have been deceived into worshiping God on the wrong day of the week and are following the pagan day of Sun worship (Sunday) not to mention the other pagan holidays (Easter, Christmas, all Saint's day etc etc). Here was the keys.......

James 2:8-12
If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

1 John 2:3-4
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep <ALL> his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Since this time God has shown me that he indeed has his faithful few that have not bowed the knee to BAAL. Even the lovely people that come here on this forum there is those that love God I see his Spirit working in them and they bless me everyday..... Welcome friend and a very Happy Sabbath to you and all God's people (my time)

May God bless you all as you seek Him through His Word....

loveme1 · Oct 13, 2017

All Glory and thanks be to Heavenly Father and our Lord and Saviour as we prepare for Sabbath.

Dan_473 · Oct 13, 2017

beta said:

If we say that we must keep the Sabbath day holy by doing different activities on it, then yes, I believe the conclusion is valid. Is it the conclusion you have arrived at, also?

I don't say
that we must keep the Sabbath day holy by doing different activities on it,
but many folks who identify as Sabbath keepers do.

so for those folks, it would seem reasonable that they would say that many CC users here aren't true Christians at all. Oddly, many folks seem reluctant to say that, so I wanted to explore why.
One explanation, it sounds like, is that they (those who don't identify as Sabbath keepers) don't really know about that part of God's word.

LoveGodForever · Oct 13, 2017

Dan_473 said:

Hi Dan yes this is true but there is also those that have had God's truth revealed to them but for whatever reason have chosen to reject God's Word. So there are essentially two groups of people. Those that do not know and those that know but have denied God's Word. Of the second group (unbelievers) it is written....

Hebrews 10:26-27
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

God bless you are you seek him through His Word...

Dan_473 · Oct 13, 2017

Studyman said:

that's an interesting idea I hadn't heard before.
as I read it, Jesus (because he is God) has authority on earth to forgive sins. In order for the Levitical priests to have that authority, they must do sacrifices.

yes, I agree, and welcome to CC, Studyman!

Dan_473 · Oct 13, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

If the earlier post you refer to is this one,

Dan_473 said:

the scripture "The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God" is in there.

LoveGodForever · Oct 13, 2017

Dan_473 said:

Hi Dan

No the earlier post I was referring to was your post # 3276 Your post with the scripture at the bottom was your 2nd post after I sent you my other posts listed above in post # 3341 about God having his people in All Churches living up to all the knowledge God has given being born again through love of the Spirit through faith... Not important. The most important thing is always seeking him who loves all through His Word.

May God bless you as you seek him by faith and not by sight

beta · Oct 13, 2017

Dan_473 said:

let me ask you one thing Dan....
If you are not going to 'change your ways in thought and deed 'HOW will you ever become the 'New Man' God wants to create in you ?
So when God gives instructions to 'do this or that - or not to do' there will be no change if we don't respond !
Does not 'common sense tell you that ? so you should not have to be told whether or not you are a true follower of Christ. As for people not understanding about Sabbath is because they reject it in their heart and are thus left in ignorance. When we obey the Word/show love to God then we receive enlightenment.

garee · Oct 13, 2017

Studyman said:

Hi thanks for that.

Yes a time set aside when we can do "good works" offering the gospel and therefore not interfering with the regular work scheduled (6 days)

One thing I have learned is the word Sabbath is not a non-time sensitive word to begin with The focus is on the rest offered according to the true fast so that men can be heard on high.. If we would make the fast into a time sensitive word it loses its purpose and in the end it points to the kind of fast in Mark. Good intentions but no working of the Holy Spirit. .

Mark 9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

It becomes what can we do on the day we are given that in which we have no servile work need to supply these bodies of death? Can we eat one kosher meal or eat twice or walk this far and eat this thing drink this or that or say that or just sleep all day as the proper rest..?

When the new testament was written the number of Kosher meals as a tradtion of men was three time a day.
By changing the meaning of the word fast making into a time sensitive word “week” it destroys the true fast .

The word is Sabbath....rest, not week.... a period of time.
It should read.. I fast twice on the Sabbath (one day) and not as a way of boasting in respect to those who eat three kosher meals designed as a law of the fathers. The real fast no meals. We offer our portion as the good news (gospel) to those who have no manna.

Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

The context of the parables loses it meaning using the word week rather tan rest.

Luk 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

Studyman · Oct 13, 2017

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Well Jesus was a man I believe. But He was also the Messiah who was to usher in the New Covenant. The new covenant was the fulfillment of these Levitical Priesthood ceremonial "works of the Law" for remission and justification of sins, which was "ADDED" until the Seed should come. (Gal. 3:19)

His ability to forgive sins was given Him by His Father. The entire Levitical Priesthood was a shadow of His coming. The Mainstream Church of His time had corrupted themselves and had lost sight of this Biblical fact.

It seems today there is still much confusion over exactly what the New Covenant is. Many preach that it is the replacement of God's entire law structure. But the Scriptures don't support this teaching. It seems the New Covenant pertains to how we are forgiven. It used to be by finding a Levite and having him perform ceremonial, sacrificial "Deeds or Works of the Law" for the remission of sins and justification. Now we have faith in the perfect sacrifice of Jesus for justification and remission of sins.

Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

The definition of sin has not changed according to scripture. Just the way it is forgiven.

Thanks for the kind welcome

Dan_473 · Oct 13, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

glad you asked!

the question hinges on whether remembering the Sabbath involves doing different actions on the other six days than on the Seventh Day.

if you believe that it does, and I think you do, then
I think it would follow that the general catagory of users here on CC, such as myself, who claim to believe in Jesus and to be followers of Christ but don't remember the Sabbath Day
(and granted we don't want to judge any particular person) are actually deceived and aren't born again after all.

LoveGodForever · Oct 13, 2017

I am actually quite excited. I was looking to God to get a new bible. I could not decide between two so ended up ordering both of them. What bible do you guys use?

Here are the ones I have coming thanks to my God's blessing.......

1. Executive Local Church bible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnZnL7feRp4

2. Hebrew and Greek Study bible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktD3QzInfwU

Any bible is great however its God's Word right? What bible do you guys use?

God bless you all

LoveGodForever · Oct 13, 2017

Dan_473 said:

Dan,

You did not read any of the posts I sent have you? It is ok it is up to you. I do not judge you. Jesus says; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For your own sake do not close your eyes to God's Word and may God bless you are you seek him through it...

loveme1 · Oct 13, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

KJV is my preferred version of the Bible.. I'm not sure if all are like mine but there is no commentary.. I asked and received the Truth and I marvel at what took place prior during and even now.. almost not wanting to mature but remain a babe receiving milk.. but In GOD we Trust and our duty must be carried out for His Glory.

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