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Hizikyah

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"if Yahshua/Jesus is theos..." Do you believe that Yahshua is not theos?
We have to go back to what is theos, it;s a circular debate. Yahshua Himself makes a clear distinction that YHWH is greater than Himself, and that He is in YHWH and we can be in them too, so it depends on what theos is, what are the effect of Yahshua being in YHWH, since we can be in them as Yahsua is, and I know im not theos, it dosent mean He is or is not YWHH, back to what EXACTLY is theos. Honestly I fell it's a debate that can not be answered without adding to what is written or taking away, thus I simply say YHWH is the Father, Yahshua is the Messiah and His Son, for me to quantify this is IMO to add to or take away from what is written. Im open to hear you takeon this, not saying I agrere but it's a complx issue. Also I have to say, why was the "trinity" verses forged into Scripture 300 years later?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:7-8 Proper and original text from the 1[SUP]st [/SUP]century:

1 John/Yahanan 5:7-8, "For there are three which testify: The Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three are of one accord."

Altered text from the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] century:

1 John/Yahanan 5:7-8, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

1 John 5:7-8, “Because there are three who bear witness: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood. And the three are in agreement."

Comma Johanneum refers to a short clause in John 5:7-8 in the Latin Vulgate text which was transmitted since the Early Middle Ages. It was later included in the Textus Receptus Greek in support of trinity doctrine. The comma does not appear in the older Greek text. The ‘comma’ is displayed below in italics.
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Now a forgery is not proof for or against, it should be discardedand only what is truly written should be considered IMO.
 

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I didn't mean Romans, but Matt, and if you count the generations in Mat 1

Matithyah 1:17, "So all the begettings from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; from David until the captivity of Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the captivity of Babylon until Messiah are fourteen generations."

So 14+14+14=42 Why is it that there are only 41 in the geneology according to the Greek Matthew? In the Hebrew Mattithyah the generations are listed properly, no greek text has them properly recorded. Just a sample of what it has to offer.

Also the thought came accross my mind that w should consult Scripture concerning His Name also, I don't mean what it is but rather how, if, why, when it should be used, and why not good or bad, just a thought.

Hi Hizikyah,

Its an interesting study. Was Matthew originally written in Hebrew. The idea of course is only an hypothesis and according to most scholars cannot be attested to any degree of certainty, nor is there any tenable proof.

The genealogies in Matthew are not chronological what I mean is Matthew is telling us something. 14,14,14. Matthew is concerned with showing that Jesus is indeed their King the Messiah, Davids son.

The numbers of David in Hebrew (according to scholars) is D 4+V6+D4 = 14. Jesus is the Son of David.

I would say any later Gospel of Matthew written in Hebrew or Aramaic that has a full genealogy would be an attempt to harmonize with other genealogies (cf.Matt with Chronicles) and not original to Matthews intent.

It's interesting stuff.
 

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I didn't mean Romans, but Matt, and if you count the generations in Mat 1

Matithyah 1:17, "So all the begettings from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; from David until the captivity of Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the captivity of Babylon until Messiah are fourteen generations."

So 14+14+14=42 Why is it that there are only 41 in the geneology according to the Greek Matthew? In the Hebrew Mattithyah the generations are listed properly, no greek text has them properly recorded. Just a sample of what it has to offer.

Also the thought came accross my mind that w should consult Scripture concerning His Name also, I don't mean what it is but rather how, if, why, when it should be used, and why not good or bad, just a thought.
I brought up Romans because it's probably easier to agree that we have basically the greek original, and YHWH isn't used in it.

yes, there are textual variations in the greek of Matthew. Some people solve the whole "which text to use" question by just saying that the KJV is God's word, case closed.

Others say use the original language, but there are always going to be questions about which copy of the original is the best.

That's why I brought up Romans, far less question of a Hebrew original.
 

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Hi Hizikyah,

Its an interesting study. Was Matthew originally written in Hebrew. The idea of course is only an hypothesis and according to most scholars cannot be attested to any degree of certainty, nor is there any tenable proof.

The genealogies in Matthew are not chronological what I mean is Matthew is telling us something. 14,14,14. Matthew is concerned with showing that Jesus is indeed their King the Messiah, Davids son.

The numbers of David in Hebrew (according to scholars) is D 4+V6+D4 = 14. Jesus is the Son of David.

I would say any later Gospel of Matthew written in Hebrew or Aramaic that has a full genealogy would be an attempt to harmonize with other genealogies (cf.Matt with Chronicles) and not original to Matthews intent.

It's interesting stuff.
That may be so, it is possible, honestly I dont think there is any way to bee 100% certian, I find both the Greek and Hebrew version of Matt to be treasures and of the highest vale, both of them. Wit hthat said, the hebrew version has 3 major things that are correct where the greek has an error, other than the genology, I dont think it is becaues the greek is "wrong" but rather a language and culture issue, I want to use the LXX - Septuagint as an example, in Hebrew there are idioms that can not be properly conveyed nor understood in english or Greek, it would be like me asking a man that is from china, "do you have that dough you owe me" and american would know in talking about money, while one of another culture would not know what I mean. now this is not the issue in in all the differences between the greek and hebrew but an insight.
 
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LoveGodForever and Hizikyah can you say this to me:

But whats the difference between the ten commandments and the holy days and other laws in the old testament?

Are you guys saying we need to keep the ten commandments and the weekly sabbath but not the holy days and those things?
 

Hizikyah

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I brought up Romans because it's probably easier to agree that we have basically the greek original, and YHWH isn't used in it.

yes, there are textual variations in the greek of Matthew. Some people solve the whole "which text to use" question by just saying that the KJV is God's word, case closed.

Others say use the original language, but there are always going to be questions about which copy of the original is the best.

That's why I brought up Romans, far less question of a Hebrew original.
Good point, it would be common snese to think that it was not written i Hebrew just as the letter to the Hebrews was not originally written in greek. and I agree about the original text thing, man it is complex and there are many braincing variations. The dead sea scrolls were a blessing from Yah IMO. Confiriming that we retain the word of Yah in truth. It is a deep, interesting and complex journey none the less I think truth remains for those who seek.
 

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LoveGodForever and Hizikyah can you say this to me:

But whats the difference between the ten commandments and the holy days and other laws in the old testament?

Are you guys saying we need to keep the ten commandments and the weekly sabbath but not the holy days and those things?
I believe all is valid for the follower of Messiah that partakes in the covenant ratifies in His blood;;

Because of this;

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”

I believe that yes Yah spoke it to Abraham, but all the follow Yah in truth are a part of this Covenant/agreement/promise. It is also my beliefe that Yah gave man kind a single Covenant, He may have shown different elements of it at different times and to different peolpe, but He knows the end from the beginning and thue never had to alter things or change His plan. I believe this is shown here;

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; ‘You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast withHim. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

With that said, yes I believe the 2 greatest/10/613 Commandments still stand, but under Yahshua the High Priset not the Levites of course. and Yahshua taught the proper way to walk in them, the pharisees were evil and made their own law that for them circumvented Yah's Law every step of the way, while at the same time adding thousands of man made regulations that the lay people thought they had to keep.

So to sum it up, yes I believe the Law from the OT is what is summed up in the greatest Commandments;

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”

1 John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

He said all:

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

Heaven and earth has not passed away;


Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away..."

Now I have to mention, and it is not me picking and choosing, some Laws are just for women and some are just for men, the Laws about a womand on her menstural cycle don't apply to men. In the same way the are priestly laws, laws for kings, etc. We can learn from then but if we are not High Priest it isnot our duty. That does not mean we can pick and choose and ignore Laws that do apply. Finally, this does not mean that I think I walk perfectly without sin or that anyone can or has to, but there is a ifference between a transgression and not being subject to when one studies the hebrew and greek.

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”



Proverbs 6:23, “For the command is a lamp, And the Torah a light, And reproofs of discipline a way of life.”

I think the verses used to testify agaist the Sabbath and the Feast days are missunderstood, here is a single reason why, but I can give a full breakdown of the main 2 passages if you would like

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Colossians 2:20, “If, then, you died with Messiah from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to it’s ordinances.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Colossians 2:8, “See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah.”[/FONT]


the sabaths weekly and feast days are 100% about Yahshua and have their origins 100% from Yah, so Paul count not possibly be saying it ones personal preference do or dont. Now im not condemming anyone, we all sin, i am no better than the next.
 
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Hizikyah can you tell me what bible translation you are using? I liked the e-sword that you showed.
 

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We have to go back to what is theos, it;s a circular debate.
I disagree. "the word was God (theos)"



Yahshua Himself makes a clear distinction that YHWH is greater than Himself, and that He is in YHWH and we can be in them too, so it depends on what theos is, what are the effect of Yahshua being in YHWH, since we can be in them as Yahsua is, and I know im not theos, it dosent mean He is or is not YWHH, back to what EXACTLY is theos.
Actually, Yahshua does seem to connect himself with YHWH,
"before Abraham came into existence, I AM"

I think this is why the idea of the Trinity came about, trying to fit all the scriptures together. One God, three Persons.

Myself, I haven't seen a better way of fitting together all the verses without doing violence to some of them.

Honestly I fell it's a debate that can not be answered without adding to what is written or taking away, thus I simply say YHWH is the Father, Yahshua is the Messiah and His Son, for me to quantify this is IMO to add to or take away from what is written. Im open to hear you takeon this, not saying I agrere but it's a complx issue. Also I have to say, why was the "trinity" verses forged into Scripture 300 years later?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:7-8 Proper and original text from the 1[SUP]st [/SUP]century:

1 John/Yahanan 5:7-8, "For there are three which testify: The Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three are of one accord."

Altered text from the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] century:

1 John/Yahanan 5:7-8, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

1 John 5:7-8, “Because there are three who bear witness: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood. And the three are in agreement."

Comma Johanneum refers to a short clause in John 5:7-8 in the Latin Vulgate text which was transmitted since the Early Middle Ages. It was later included in the Textus Receptus Greek in support of trinity doctrine. The comma does not appear in the older Greek text. The ‘comma’ is displayed below in italics.
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Now a forgery is not proof for or against, it should be discardedand only what is truly written should be considered IMO.

textual variations like the one above often happened this way:
do you like to write in your bible? or keep meaningful bookmarks or poems in it? so did very early bible owners. But everything was handwritten. so sometimes a later copyist would come along and think that the extra notes were part of the original.
The intent may not be malicious, and the added words may not be untrue.
 

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That may be so, it is possible, honestly I dont think there is any way to bee 100% certian, I find both the Greek and Hebrew version of Matt to be treasures and of the highest vale, both of them. Wit hthat said, the hebrew version has 3 major things that are correct where the greek has an error, other than the genology, I dont think it is becaues the greek is "wrong" but rather a language and culture issue, I want to use the LXX - Septuagint as an example, in Hebrew there are idioms that can not be properly conveyed nor understood in english or Greek, it would be like me asking a man that is from china, "do you have that dough you owe me" and american would know in talking about money, while one of another culture would not know what I mean. now this is not the issue in in all the differences between the greek and hebrew but an insight.

I definately agree, about Hebrew idioms in the OT, that cannot be conveyed properly in Greek (LXX) nor English. Not that I know Hebrew (I don't) But good commentaries bring this out.

I think that's why it is important for bible teachers to be good exegetes..what does the bible say in their setting, what the text mean't (Historical and Grammatical setting) and Homiletics, what does it mean for us today.

Interesting stuff though.
 

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Hizikyah can you tell me what bible translation you are using? I liked the e-sword that you showed.
I use a number of different ones, and I believe no translation is perfect, looking in to the original language is fun and proper iMO, but I mainly use TS 2009 The Scriptures 2009 version it is not perfect but I do like it.

It is from the institute of Scriptual Research and you can download the E sword module for free

Front Page | Institute for Scripture Research
 

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Good point, it would be common snese to think that it was not written i Hebrew just as the letter to the Hebrews was not originally written in greek. and I agree about the original text thing, man it is complex and there are many braincing variations. The dead sea scrolls were a blessing from Yah IMO. Confiriming that we retain the word of Yah in truth. It is a deep, interesting and complex journey none the less I think truth remains for those who seek.
well, I disagree that "Hebrews was not originally written in greek", but it's probably easier to stick with something easy that we agree on, like Romans was written in Greek.
 

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I disagree. "the word was God (theos)"
I am not saying this is wrong, but Im saying it does not quantify those, it gives and insight but not the fullness, and again we have to consider all Scripture, it's complex issue as you go on to state;

Actually, Yahshua does seem to connect himself with YHWH,
"before Abraham came into existence, I AM"

I think this is why the idea of the Trinity came about, trying to fit all the scriptures together. One God, three Persons.

Myself, I haven't seen a better way of fitting together all the verses without doing violence to some of them.
This may be very possible, honestly it seems likey, but I always remind myself not to go beyond what is written or not to take away, and to me, and this is JMO, I dont see it as a Salvational issue, IMO, I say, YHWH is the Father, Yahshua is the Messiah, we seek to do Yah's will, YHWH's and Yahshua teach the same things, if this is o, all is well, we are on the right path, I have never met 2 people that agree 100% yet can still be following Yah, nowI dont mean those who are way off the path, and im not the judge, im simply saying basic truths are the solid foundation YHWH provides us mercy we do Hiswill.


textual variations like the one above often happened this way:
do you like to write in your bible? or keep meaningful bookmarks or poems in it? so did very early bible owners. But everything was handwritten. so sometimes a later copyist would come along and think that the extra notes were part of the original.
The intent may not be malicious, and the added words may not be untrue.
I know the notes in the margins, and then its gets added as text... we must seek! and I fell that most any translation is sufficent if the Spirit of Yah is truly with someone, because not that they will know everything but that they will have a heart that walks as Yah desires in faith and works.
 

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well, I disagree that "Hebrews was not originally written in greek", but it's probably easier to stick with something easy that we agree on, like Romans was written in Greek.
Well how is it any differnt? I find that odd, not to make a point of contention, but I find them equally as likely.
 

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I definately agree, about Hebrew idioms in the OT, that cannot be conveyed properly in Greek (LXX) nor English. Not that I know Hebrew (I don't) But good commentaries bring this out.

I think that's why it is important for bible teachers to be good exegetes..what does the bible say in their setting, what the text mean't (Historical and Grammatical setting) and Homiletics, what does it mean for us today.

Interesting stuff though.
You know of any good study bibles that contain this type of information in abundance? I ahve not personally found one, just bits and pieces here and there, would be nice tho.
 

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Hizikyah do you believe Jesus is God in the flesh?
I dont know, I only go from what is expressely written. and honestly I dont see it as a Salvational issue, there are verses that it appears so and there are verses that it appears not;Honestly I think reading the text with YHWH for years has opened my eyes rather than readin the Lord which shows no distinction

this is used to support a trinity, however we can see in Job the angels were with YHWH during creation;

Genesis 1:26, "And the Mighty One said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the ground.”"

Job 38:4-7, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Yl (angels in most translations) shouted for joy?”

◄ Job 38:7 ►

New International Version
while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?

New Living Translation
as the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?

In the OT there is a difference shown;

Psalm 110:1, "YHWH (#3068) said to my Ruler and King(#113): Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool."

3068 – Yah-weh, יהוה , The LORD, 3068 - YHWH - Yhwh: the proper name of the God of Israel, Original Word: יְהֹוָה, Part of Speech: Proper Name, Transliteration: Yhwh, Phonetic Spelling: (yah-weh/yah-hu-wah/yeh-ho-vaw), Short Definition: YHWH

113 - la-ḏō-nî, לַֽאדֹנִ֗י , to my Lord, 113 - adon, adon: lord, Original Word: אָדוֹן, Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: adon,Phonetic Spelling: (aw-done'), Short Definition: lord

and in the new;

Yahanan/John 14:28, "You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

1 Timothy 2:5, "For One is YHWH; and One Mediator between YHWH and men: the Man, Yahshua Messiah."

1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man[a] Christ Jesus."

Romans 8:29, "For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brothers."

I simply believe YHWH is the Father and Yahshua is the Messiah, for me to try to fully quantify them is something that is imposible for any humans to do.

Revelation 21:23, “And the city had no need of the sun, nor of the moon, to shine in it, for the esteem of Yah lightened it, and the Lamb is its lamp.

Revelation 3:5, "He who overcomes, the same will be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name from The Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and before His malakim."

John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

◄ John 17:3 ►

TS2009
John 17:3, "“And this is everlasting life, that they should know You, the only true Elohim, and יהושע Messiah whom You have sent."

New International Version
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

New Living Translation
And this is the way to have eternal life--to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

English Standard Version
And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
 

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Look at John 1:1 to verse14 isnt that clear? In written?
this is why I said

there are verses that it appears so and there are verses that it appears not;
If we only read that it appears so, however if we take the whole word

Psalm 110:1, "YHWH (#3068) said to my Ruler and King(#113): Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool."

1 Timothy 2:5, "For One is YHWH; and One Mediator between YHWH and men: the Man, Yahshua Messiah."

1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man[a] Christ Jesus."


John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

Ephesians 4:5-6, "One Father, one faith, one baptism; YHWH is One and Father of all, Who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Colossians 1:15, "He is the image of the invisible Father, the firstborn of all creation."

That is why I put this verse last;

◄ John 17:3 ►
TS2009
John 17:3, "“And this is everlasting life, that they should know You, the only true Elohim, and יהושע Messiah whom You have sent."

New International Version
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.