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Hizikyah

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The Septuagint used only Lord as the translation for YHWH, not God.

And the New Testament is not a translation of anything and it is not the Septuagint. In the original is "God" and "Lord". Iésús and Christos. Ekvivalent of those in English are Jesus and Christ.

I do not like when people change the text, for whatever agenda they may have.
You misunderstood wht I said, where YHWH was in the original, they translated it to Theos or Kyrios.

This is my agenda;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 116:13, "We will take the cup of salvation, and we will call upon Your Name, O YHWH."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 22:22, "I will declare Your Name to My brothers! In the midst of the congregation I will give You praise!"[/FONT]
 

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Hi Beta,

Christ took upon Himself the curse of the law on the cross. For Christians being loving to your neighbour does not bring a curse.

I am not talking about what Jesus abolished on the cross as you seem to think.. In fact I don't even know where you get that idea, I am talking about what Jesus ACCOMPLISHED on the cross.
Seems we agree then....
there is no curse on keeping God's Commandments/law. Nice to know ! God bless !
 
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In the law, the Lord explains the blessing and the curse,
which so many Christians are so confused about.
And end up, in their confusion, rejecting the law of their God.

Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God,
which I command you this day:

And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God,
but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day,
to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

Deuteronomy 11:26-28

How that word from God progresses in men to the exact opposite meaning.
 

beta

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In the law, the Lord explains the blessing and the curse,
which so many Christians are so confused about.
And end up, in their confusion, rejecting the law of their God.

Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God,
which I command you this day:

And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God,
but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day,
to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

Deuteronomy 11:26-28

How that word from God progresses in men to the exact opposite meaning.
Yes it seems that man does everything in opposition to God...coming from the spirit that entered the world through Adam. Satan turned man's head so now we are (well the natural man is) walking 'back to front when it comes to spiritual understanding.
We need the Holy Spirit of God to be put right again ! 1Cor 2v11-14
 

phil36

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Seems we agree then....
there is no curse on keeping God's Commandments/law. Nice to know ! God bless !

Hi Beta,

Once again I'll have to correct you. There is a curse for all those are under it, or put themselves under its commands. Love fulfils all, not following the law. We do righteous deeds because we are righteous - not do deeds to be righteous..

Its grace alone through faith alone, not grace + merit and faith + works!

Read Galatians.
 

Hizikyah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The “curse of the Law” is receiving death for sin worth of death. Yahshua/Jesus took that curse upon Himself for all those in Him.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 21:22-23, “And when a man has committed a sin worthy of death, then he shall be put to death and you shall hang him on a tree. Let his body not remain overnight on the tree, for you shall certainly bury him the same day – for he who is hanged is accursed of Yah – so that you do not defile the land which [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength is giving you as an inheritance.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:10-14, “10, "For as many as are of works of Torah are under the curse, for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all that has been written in the Book of the Torah, to do them.” (Deut 27:26) 11, "And that no one is declared right by Torah before YHWH is clear, for “The righteous shall live by belief. (Hab 2:4)” 12, "And the Torah is not of belief, but “The man who does them shall live by them, (Leviticus 18:5)” 13, "Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the Torah, having become a curse for us – for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs upon a tree.” – (Deut 21:23) 14, "in order that the blessing of Aḇraham might come upon the nations in Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], to receive the promise of the Spirit through belief."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:13,(KJV) "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law (death), being made a curse for us, for it is written, Cursed is everyone who hangeth on a tree."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 27:26, “Cursed is he who does not establish the Words of this Torah.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Awmĕin!”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 21:22-23, “And when a man has committed a sin worthy of death, then he shall be put to death and you shall hang him on a tree. Let his body not remain overnight on the tree, for you shall certainly bury him the same day – for he who is hanged is accursed of YHWH – so that you do not defile the land which [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength is giving you as an inheritance.”[/FONT]
 

phil36

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The “curse of the Law” is receiving death for sin worth of death. Yahshua/Jesus took that curse upon Himself for all those in Him.


1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."

Deuteronomy 21:22-23, “And when a man has committed a sin worthy of death, then he shall be put to death and you shall hang him on a tree. Let his body not remain overnight on the tree, for you shall certainly bury him the same day – for he who is hanged is accursed of Yah – so that you do not defile the land which יהוה your Strength is giving you as an inheritance.”


Galatians 3:10-14, “10, "For as many as are of works of Torah are under the curse, for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all that has been written in the Book of the Torah, to do them.” (Deut 27:26) 11, "And that no one is declared right by Torah before YHWH is clear, for “The righteous shall live by belief. (Hab 2:4)” 12, "And the Torah is not of belief, but “The man who does them shall live by them, (Leviticus 18:5)” 13, "Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the Torah, having become a curse for us – for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs upon a tree.” – (Deut 21:23) 14, "in order that the blessing of Aḇraham might come upon the nations in Messiah יהושע, to receive the promise of the Spirit through belief."


Galatians 3:13,(KJV) "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law (death), being made a curse for us, for it is written, Cursed is everyone who hangeth on a tree."


Deuteronomy 27:26, “Cursed is he who does not establish the Words of this Torah.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Awmĕin!”


Deuteronomy 21:22-23, “And when a man has committed a sin worthy of death, then he shall be put to death and you shall hang him on a tree. Let his body not remain overnight on the tree, for you shall certainly bury him the same day – for he who is hanged is accursed of YHWH – so that you do not defile the land which יהוה your Strength is giving you as an inheritance.”

And if Christ took the penalty on your behalf, it would be a very foolish thing to put yourself back under it. But that is up to you.

Read Galatians.
 

Hizikyah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

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elation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
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Mat 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (the intent/sums up) the Law and the Prophets."
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]
 

phil36

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Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unlessheaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Rev
elation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."


Mat 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (the intent/sums up) the Law and the Prophets."




Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


Its good that Matthew 22:37ff shows we no longer are no longer to observe the Sabbath. All the prophets and law find their full meaning in Christ and then in us through love.
 

Hizikyah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."


[/FONT] Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1) all, whole, completely[/FONT]

 
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Phil36 offered up a bullock.

Hi Beta,

Once again I'll have to correct you. There is a curse for all those are under it, or put themselves under its commands. Love fulfils all, not following the law. We do righteous deeds because we are righteous - not do deeds to be righteous..

Its grace alone through faith alone, not grace + merit and faith + works!

Read Galatians.
Nobody gets on top of the law by not keeping it diligently, as God commanded.
When you understand it well, and keep it, then you are on top of it.
And then you will praise God

My two bullocks, for what they are worth
Paul
 

Grandpa

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Phil36 offered up a bullock.

Nobody gets on top of the law by not keeping it diligently, as God commanded.
When you understand it well, and keep it, then you are on top of it.
And then you will praise God

My two bullocks, for what they are worth
Paul
Romans 9:30-33
[FONT=&quot]30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.[/FONT]
 

Grandpa

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And if Christ took the penalty on your behalf, it would be a very foolish thing to put yourself back under it. But that is up to you.

Read Galatians.
Just as Paul says in Galatians 5

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage
 

Hizikyah

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Just as Paul says in Galatians 5

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage
free from bondage to sin... not still in sin and saying its not.... and not free from righteousness...

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."[/FONT]


1 Peter/Kepha 1:13-21, "Therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the undeserved pardon that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahshua Messiah. As obedient children, do not conform to the former lusts you had when you lived in ignorance; But as He Who called you is holy, so you also become holy in all your conduct; Because it is written Be holy, for I am holy. And if you call on the Father, Who, without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence; Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your forefathers; But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot; Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you; Who through Him we do believe in YHWH, Who raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH."
 
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Romans 9:30-33
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Thank you, Grandpa.
You didn't have a bullock so you offer me a cake.
But you already forgot that I see St Paul as a teacher of the law.

I believe the stumbling block applies to them who are too ashamed to teach the law.
Having never kept it, they bleat their excuses why they do not keep it.
And that becomes their preach for God.

Teach even the least commandments
Paul
 
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Just as Paul says in Galatians 5

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage
You've made Jesus' commandment the yoke of bondage,
and make out your lawless faith in Christ has made you free.

Free from what? from doing the law which Christ gave.
So you think.

If that was so, then the Atheists are already free.
They don't have the law.
They have faith that there is no need for it.

Like so many of the children who came out of Egypt, you seek to go back.
You want the freedom which the Atheists have.
But you want to call yourself a believer, and you want to say you are saved,
and you also want to be as free from God's word as an Atheist.
I cannot believe God works like that.

Jesus is my Lord.
His yoke is easy.
Life was harder before I kept His commandments.

Hear Jesus
Paul

I am the LORD your God,
which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen;
and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.

But if ye will not hearken unto Me, and will not do all these commandments;
And if ye shall despise My statutes, or if your soul abhor My judgments,
so that ye will not do all My commandments, but that ye break My covenant:

I also will do this unto you;
I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague,
that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart:
and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

And I will set My face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies:
they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursue you.

Leviticus 26:13-17
 

prove-all

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Its grace alone through faith alone, not grace + merit and faith + works!
Read Galatians.
Maybe you could learn to read more then one book of the bible.


But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.


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But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day:
the night cometh, when no man can work.
 
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It is not faith alone,it is love alone.

Out of faith,hope,and charity,love in action,charity is the greatest.

Charity is greater than faith.

Faith works by love,for everything stems from love,not faith.

Lack in love,lack in faith.

Paul said he could have all faith so that he could remove mountains,but if he did not have charity he is nothing.

Paul said lack in love you err from the faith,and James said your faith is dead,and John said the love of God does not dwell in you.

Paul and James say the same thing,have works of love,or faith does not count.

Paul said charity does not think an evil thought,and abstains from sin by the Holy Spirit,and only goes by their needs,not their wants,and helps people with their needs,and is not selfish,and not arrogant,and does not act unseemly,but kind.

James said faith without works is dead,and a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,because if they do not have works of love,then they are not led of the Spirit,and lack love,and then lack faith.

Which the first,and fifth Church,in Revelation lacked,which Jesus told the first Church they left their first love,and are fallen,and to repent,and do the first work,or He would remove their candlestick out of its place,and the fifth Church that He did not find their works perfect before God,and to repent,or He would come upon them as a thief,and they would not know what hour He would come upon them.

It is love alone,and everything stems from love.

Charity,love in action,is greater than faith.

Lack in love,lack in faith,and if they say they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,there will be some hypocrisy going on among some,so they lack love,and it also testifies that they lack love for that belief.

For charity does not think an evil thought,and does not sin by the Spirit.

Sin,and hold unto sin,and do not help the poor and needy if you can,then that is a lack of love,which society testifies that they lack love,and then they say,faith alone,as if it will cover all hypocrisy.

But it is love alone.

People should understand when Paul is speaking according to the flesh,and speaking according to the Spirit,for Paul and James say the same thing,have charity,which is works of love,or you lack faith.
 

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Its good that Matthew 22:37ff shows we no longer are no longer to observe the Sabbath
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not sure how you figure the Sabbath is done away in that verse. Christ was asked a question

Master, which is [the great commandment] in the law?



37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.





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It is not faith alone,it is love alone.

Out of faith,hope,and charity,love in action,charity is the greatest.

Charity is greater than faith.

Faith works by love,for everything stems from love,not faith.

Lack in love,lack in faith.

Paul said he could have all faith so that he could remove mountains,but if he did not have charity he is nothing.

Paul said lack in love you err from the faith,and James said your faith is dead,and John said the love of God does not dwell in you.

Paul and James say the same thing,have works of love,or faith does not count.

Paul said charity does not think an evil thought,and abstains from sin by the Holy Spirit,and only goes by their needs,not their wants,and helps people with their needs,and is not selfish,and not arrogant,and does not act unseemly,but kind.

James said faith without works is dead,and a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,because if they do not have works of love,then they are not led of the Spirit,and lack love,and then lack faith.

Which the first,and fifth Church,in Revelation lacked,which Jesus told the first Church they left their first love,and are fallen,and to repent,and do the first work,or He would remove their candlestick out of its place,and the fifth Church that He did not find their works perfect before God,and to repent,or He would come upon them as a thief,and they would not know what hour He would come upon them.

It is love alone,and everything stems from love.

Charity,love in action,is greater than faith.

Lack in love,lack in faith,and if they say they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,there will be some hypocrisy going on among some,so they lack love,and it also testifies that they lack love for that belief.

For charity does not think an evil thought,and does not sin by the Spirit.

Sin,and hold unto sin,and do not help the poor and needy if you can,then that is a lack of love,which society testifies that they lack love,and then they say,faith alone,as if it will cover all hypocrisy.

But it is love alone.

People should understand when Paul is speaking according to the flesh,and speaking according to the Spirit,for Paul and James say the same thing,have charity,which is works of love,or you lack faith.
Hi Matt.

So which church are you from?

And can you show me where Jesus says, "love alone"?
I would like to keep Jesus' sayings, so if you can show me that scripture, I will enchant after you.

I say, Love, Peace, and Unleavened Bread, myself. :)
Paul