Sabbath

JaumeJ · Jul 5, 2017

Either you answer eithut reading, or you are just not undersanding anything I have shared here.

I read teh Word in English many times long before I ever began to look to reading it in other languages. I looked to other languages only because I had read so many version in English, Iwanted to see if others in the word were getting the same message, they were.

It was not until about five years ago I learned Hebrew well enough to read the Word in Hebre and Aramaic with lots of cyber helps.

The Hebrew revealed for me things necessary for me, and it undrscored all that the Holy Spirit had taught me in the other versions.

i am not some kind of super intellect, but it sure blessed me to see and learn the meanings of many words we never new as groups of words, like names and places.

I have learned valuable lessons of the Holy Spirit FROM people who could not read or write, yet the Holy Spirit gave them knowledge which they shared with me.

Reading a lot or reading a little does no good at all without the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Our number one exampleis Jesus chris, but earlier it was posted about emmulating anyone in the Old Testament.......if we emmulate any spirit filled person because of Jesus christ, that is good, or were not Daniel, Job and Noah not put down as being men after the heart of God?

The printed word can kill and does for most who wave the Bible aroundd as somekind of proof positive they are perfected. It is the spirit that gives life.. God bless you always.

Grandpa said:

JaumeJ · Jul 5, 2017

ÇGod bless you always.l always.

Grandpa said:

Grandpa · Jul 5, 2017

loveme1 said:

LOL... good one

I wonder why he is talking about all these OT jewish things and not about the circumcision made without hands?

Why is he not talking about the rest that the Lord Jesus Christ gives us?

Why is he not talking about the ministration of Righteousness?

Why is he not encouraging people to not become entangled again in the yoke of bondage?

You people crack me up. Inward jew...

LoveGodForever · Jul 5, 2017

Grandpa said:

Hi Grandpa,

You may need to study God's Word a little further. God's Law is clearly described in His Word. It is the 10 Commandments (Ex 20:1-22) Spoken by God himself, and written with his own finger on two tables of stone, it was the work of God himself and given to Moses to look after.

God gave His Law to us, to give us a knowledge of sin and to help us to know the wages of sin (death). You may need to do a little more study on what the Old and New Covenants are. I think this will help you to understand more of God's great plan of salvation. Everything in the New Testament come from the Old and there is so much we can learn from both.

Do you know the difference between God's Law (written on two tables of stone) and the laws of Moses (written in a book; Torah)? At some point the light bulb will come on you just need to study God's Word more and pray to God for guidance.

God bless you and guide you as you study His Words I must rest now but always happy to chat latter.

Good night all, wishing you all love, peace and joy in the holy ghost because of Him who loves us.

loveme1 · Jul 5, 2017

Grandpa said:

LOL... good one

I wonder why he is talking about all these OT jewish things and not about the circumcision made without hands?

Why is he not talking about the rest that the Lord Jesus Christ gives us?

Why is he not talking about the ministration of Righteousness?

Why is he not encouraging people to not become entangled again in the yoke of bondage?

You people crack me up. Inward jew...

You should check Romans 2:29 out before you mock.

Grandpa · Jul 5, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

So its not Gods Law if He Spoke it Himself but didn't write it on stone?

Silly, hypocritical thinking. Trying to justify your work at the law.

The difference between Gods Law and the law of Moses is the difference between a carnal commandment and the Power of an Everlasting Life.

The difference between "keeping" saturday and not being under the law but being under Grace.

garee · Jul 5, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Thanks for the reply .Hoping God will bless you also.

Remembering is a work. It is about works that he works in us…His not that of our own selves.

Again the word Sabbath is not a time sensitive word. It means rest with no other meaning added. The word Sabbaths is not the end of the week. Most of the paraphrases failed that one for some unknown reason.

To remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy we enter that rest by believing God (mixing what we do hear with the one not seen who gives it. When is it that we can enter that rest . On a Saturday,Sunday , Monday, Tuesday Wednesday , Thursday or a Friday ?....Or today as in whenever we hear His voice and He works in us to both will and do His good pleasure making our hard hearts soft

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. Heb 4:2-7

Grandpa · Jul 5, 2017

loveme1 said:

I wasn't mocking the term.

If I was mocking it would be for your application of it.

garee · Jul 5, 2017

He is taliking about inward Jew things to include the circumission made without hands

Why is he not talking about the ministration of Righteousness?

The imputed righteousnes of Christ?

Those who understad they have a imputed rightousness They know they are not in bondage.

Is there something about those words that cause laughter? Christ said we know no man after the outward flesh.

loveme1 · Jul 5, 2017

Grandpa said:

You was you wasn't? GOD be my witness and search my application against your application. You believe we error... GOD proves all things.

Grandpa · Jul 5, 2017

loveme1 said:

Yes, Amen. It would be brilliant if God Himself showed you since He is the only One who can lift the vail.

loveme1 · Jul 5, 2017

Grandpa said:

The veil that was rent In twain?Matthew 27:51.... because you accuse me of having the veil of Moses yet... I'm adhering to the Testimony of the Messiah. Will you have me mock alongside you instead?

Bogadile · Jul 5, 2017

No where in the New Testament are we instructed to keep the Sabbath, all the other commandments from the ten are listed. Also, could we not consider the 4th commandment fulfilled if one does not work on Sunday and goes to Church? (Sunday being the Lord's day).

I do not currently have enough time to write about the Lord's day but the witness from the Apostolic Writings is clear that the Christians partook of the Lord's supper on the first day of the week.

Acts 20:7 "On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread, Paul began to speak to the people, and because he intended to leave the next day, he extended his message until midnight."

JaumeJ · Jul 5, 2017

We must remember the words of Jesus Christ as pertaining to the law. When we hear Him we know the Ten Commandments and all the laws regarding faith, justice and mercy are yet to be observed as best we are give to be able.

Certainly no one who claims to love in Jesus christ would remove a neighbors land mark to favor his own land. Also we would return our enemy's property were we to come across it on the way. etc.

We must learn from Jesus how and what we obey, and since His ascension, we learn all from Him by means of the Holy Spirit.

Surely the Holy Spirit testifies that our God tells teh truth, therefore the Ten, all Ten should be observed as understood a taught by ouir Lord and Savior. WE are forgiven when we fall short, but to fall short purposely is not good, not at all.

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oldethennew · Jul 5, 2017

MATT. 12:8.
For h
te Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath Day.

12;50.
For whosoever shall do the will of My Father which is in heaven, the same is
My brother, and sister, and mother.

2:27-28.
And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for
The Sabbath:
Therefore The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

MARK 6:2.
And when the Sabbath day was come, He began to teach in the synagogue:
and many hearing were astonished, saying, From whence hath this Man these things?
and what wisdom is this which is given unto Him,
that even such mighty works are wrought by
His hands?

JOHN 5:16.
And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay Him,
because He had done these things on the Sabbath Day.

18.
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because He not only had broken the Sabbath,
but said also that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

ACTS 13:42.
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words
might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

44.
And the next Sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear The Word of God.

15:21.
For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach Him,
being read in the synagogues every Sabbath Day.

18:4.
And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

oldethennew · Jul 5, 2017

1JOHN 3:24.
And he that keeps His Commandments dwells in Him, and He in him.
And hereby we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.

MATT. 19:17-18-19.
And He said unto him, Why callest thou Me good? there is none good but One, God:
but if you will enter into Life, Keep The Commandments. = (this in 'no way, nullifies FAITH,
like Paul says, it proves it.)

He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.................

ROMANS 3:31.
Do we then make void the Law through FAITH? God forbid: yea, we establish the Law.

1JOHN 2:4.
He that saith, I know Him, and keeps not His Commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

JohnTalmid · Jul 5, 2017

Isaiah 42
Hear, you deaf! And look, you blind, and see. "Who is blind but My servant, or deaf as My messenger whom I send? Who is blind as he who is at peace, and blind as servant of HWHY? "You see much, but do not guard; ears are open, but do not hear. " It has delighted HWHY, for the sake of His righteousness, to make the Torah great and esteemed. But this is a people robbed and plundered, all of them are snared in holes, and they are hidden in prison houses. They have become a prey, with no one to deliver -for plunder, and no one to say, "Restore!"

Here I say make your paths straight for HWHY and for Messiah so He may come to fullness in you and all of us. Remember that day restored to you from the beginning and find rest and be restored. John Talmid

JohnTalmid · Jul 5, 2017

JaumeJ said:

The Lords day is the seventh. The day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night. And to say the Lords day is the first day of the week just because they meet on the first day is ignoring all scripture that says the Sabbath day is the seventh. Sure meet on the first day, meet on any day, this doesn't change the Sabbath day or the festivals. Just don't think God listens to you for honoring His own day made for man to have rest in. He doesn't change anything for men or even angel. He does honor His word and Son the Messiah. He only expects us to now love Him so much we now guard the Sabbath day and the Instructions to find how to live abundant life now. Isaiah 42 apply for many

LoveGodForever · Jul 5, 2017

Grandpa said:

Hello Grandpa,

How are you this morning my friend? The name calling is a little disappointing. Let's just share the Word of God and be friends? If we have God's Spirit I believe we can share His Word in love. Do you love Jesus Grandpa?

As mentioned and also shown earlier, there is very much differences Between God's Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses. You are correct is saying that both laws were given by God. The laws of Moses however were written by Moses and came through Moses as directed from God but Gods Law (the 10 commandments) was the work of God himself.

Do you know why one law was the work of God only, written with His own finger on two tables of stone, and spoken by God himself to all the people of God and then given to Moses to look after for God's people and why it was to be kept separate from everything else including all the other laws given by Moses?

Why did God make one set of Laws himself on tables of stone but then give Moses another set of laws to write in a book?

If all the laws in the Old testament are the same why didn't God just tell them all to Moses to write in His book rather then going to all the trouble of writing the 10 commandments Himself on two tables of stone with his own finger and then go and speak them personally to all of God's people?

The reason is very simple. It was that many of the laws of Moses were a shadow of things to come. They were showing the plan of salvation that pointed to Jesus. Once Jesus had come there is no longer any need for them as they were to be done away.

On the other hand the Law of God is God's own work and is forever because it represents God's character.

God's Word is very clear that whatsoever God's does it is forever. This is why God's Law (10 commandments) is forever.

"I know that, whatsoever God does, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him." (Ecc 3:14)

Maybe if you think about things in a different manner it may help you to understand the purpose of the two covenants.

Therefore I will ask you some more questions that you can answer for yourself. You do not need to reply here.

What was the Old Covenant for and what did it represent? (Heb 8:1-9)

What is the New Covenant for and what did it represent? (Jer 31:33-34; Heb 8:10-12)

Ok hope this is helpful for you my friend.

God bless you

LoveGodForever · Jul 5, 2017

Hi garee, how are you today my friend? Some comments for you in blue below

garee said:

Thanks for the reply .Hoping God will bless you also.

Remembering is a work. It is about works that he works in us…His not that of our own selves.

Are we saved by our works? No we are saved by [Faith] believing God and following what he asks us to do. "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" (Jam 2:20). If we are n ot following what God asks us to do God's Word says this is not faith.

Again the word Sabbath is not a time sensitive word. It means rest with no other meaning added. The word Sabbaths is not the end of the week. Most of the paraphrases failed that one for some unknown reason. To remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy we enter that rest by believing God (mixing what we do hear with the one not seen who gives it. When is it that we can enter that rest . On a Saturday,Sunday , Monday, Tuesday Wednesday , Thursday or a Friday ?....Or today as in whenever we hear His voice and He works in us to both will and do His good pleasure making our hard hearts soft

You are partially correct. The Hebrew word Sabbath itself from the root meaning means to stop work. This is the root meaning of the work "rested" used in Genesis 2:1-3

H7673
שׁבת
shâbath
shaw-bath'
A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

The other Hebrew word used is;
שׁבּת
shabbâth
shab-bawth'
Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath: - (+ every) sabbath. each sabbath

In context however these words are referring to the 7th Day of the Week that God himself set apart from all the other days of the week. God himself rested on this day. He made this day a holy day not for himself but for all mankind and wrote it into His 10 commandments asking His people to keep this day a Holy day. (Ex 20:8-11; Mark 2:27-28)

"Remember the Sabbath do to keep it Holy" (Ex 20:8) means to remember the 7th Day of the creation week (Gen 2:1-3). God made it a Holy day for mankind because it is a celebration of creation and that we worship the God of the creation of All things in heaven and earth.

This is what God asks of us....Exodus 20

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

If we believe God's (have faith) Word, we must follow what God wants us to do. We do this not because we believe we get salvation from doing these things but because we love Jesus and want to follow Him who loves us.

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. Heb 4:2-7

That is a great passage of scripture above you quoted. It is referring to the 7th day Sabbath. The word for "rest" used in this passage of scripture is the Greek word "Sabbatismos" it literally means "Sabbath observance". God's people did not enter into "His rest" (Sabbath observance) because of their unbelief (not believing and obeying God) and disobedience (breaking God's Law). It is saying that God's people will keep God's Sabbath and those that are not His people will not. There is no scripture in God's Word that says that the 7th Day Sabbath is Jesus. God's people in the wilderness did not enter into God's rest because of unbelief and disobedience.

Hope this is helpful my friend.

God bless you

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