Sabbath

[mailmandan]

Sure we have been freed from the penalty of the law, by the grace of Christ, through faith. Do i steal and kill, do i take the name of God in vain and have other god's before my creator God???

Since the old covenant has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. The old covenant has been made obsolete to "put legally into place" the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He has loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

Do i make the Sabbath void ????

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Do live in sin knowing that it cost the life of my Saviour Jesus to free me from every sin that i commit.

Giving heed to the words of the apostle Paul in Colossians 2:16-17 is not living in sin.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. Of course, you are assuming that these passages of scripture are referring to the 10 commandments under the old covenant and you place a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment.

SDA's seem to spend a lot of time harping on the sin of not keeping the Sabbath, yet we hear nothing about this under the new covenant. Adventists want us to believe that worshipping God on Sunday is the one heinous sin above all others that identifies someone who is disloyal to God and according to Adventists, the Mark of the Beast is Sunday-keeping.

We need to interpret the meaning of John's writings by comparing them with the other writings of John. The Greek word for "commandments" in Revelation 14:12 is {entolae} which means "an order, command, charge, precept, injunction." The same word is used repeatedly in the writings of John to refer to the instructions of Christ. John uses an entirely different Greek word in his writings when he refers to the Ten Commandments: Example below:

Did not Moses give you the law {nomos}, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law {nomos}? Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19; Jesus is referring to the 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill"--Exodus 20:13) According to John, the number one commandment {entolae} of Jesus to the Apostles was not Sabbath-worship, but for them to love one another:

A new commandment {entolae} I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (John 13:34) This is My commandment {entolae}, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. (John 15:12)

*Notice how John refers to the "commandments" of God in his letter:

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments {entolas}. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments {entolas}; and His commandments {entolae} are not burdensome. (1 John 5:2-3) Earlier in the same letter John tells us exactly what the "commandments" of God are:

Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His [God's] commandments {entolas} and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. This is His [God's] commandment {entolae}, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He [God] commanded {entolaen} us. The one who keeps His [God's] commandments {entolas} abides in Him.. (1 John 3:21-24)

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

"Do His commandments" does not earn us eternal life, but it is evidence that we have come to know Him (1 John 2:3). Some translations read, "Blessed are those who wash their robes," which symbolizes those who have been forgiven of their sins through the blood of the Lamb (Romans 3:24-26). *Also see Revelation 7:14.

 

[TMS]

The sabbath was given before Abraham, before sin, so how can you say the Sabbath is part of the 1st covenant.

 

[TMS]

How did the death of Christ cause the cerimonies and laws to be nailed to the cross? The reason is simple.
The laws and cerimonies that pointed to Jesus, or that were a shadow of what Jesus represented are no longer needed because we have Jesus. Jesus is the lamb and i don't need to sacrifice a lamb because i can trust in His blood.
Col 2:14-17 is not referring to the 10 commandments but the types and shaddows. The yearly sabbaths. The weekly sabbath was given before sin, before we needed a saviour. The yearly sabbaths entered because of sin, till the seed came. Gal 3:17-19

 

[Wall]

Col 2:14-17 is not referring to the 10 commandments but the types and shaddows. The yearly sabbaths.

Nope. Not the yearly sabbaths but the meat and drink offerings that were givin on the holy days, new moons and all sabbath days.

COL.2 [14] BLOTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[17] WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME; but the body is of Christ.

The handwriting of ORDINANCES {meat and drink offerings} has been blotted out. They were the shadow

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

EZEKIEL 46 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

Meat offering by ordinance. There ya go. Hebrews 9 was ofcourse correct

HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings). Hebrews 10{1} says that plain and clear. The Word does not say the sabbath was the shadow of Christ which really makes no sence at all

NUMBERS 19 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

Before Christ the red heifers lived their lives in fear and trembling, thinking they might be next offering. No worries no more.

JOHN 6 [55] For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed.

We are no longer under the law concerning the meat and drink offerings{the shadow}. Jesus FULFILLED that portion of the law. Its all grace now! Jesus Himself said “For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed”.

 

[Dan_473]

If we love the Lord we will do as the Lord tells us. That does not mean that we don't rest in what the Lord has done for us so our sins are forgiven. We are to have absolute confidence in what Christ has done for us. But if we question ourselves about working for the Lord in love, in never rebelling against Him, like Paul says: heaven forbid.

Right, so we keep the Sabbath spiritually but not physically? Or both spiritually and physically? Do we keep all the laws spiritually and physically, or just certain ones?

 

[Wall]

Right, so we keep the Sabbath spiritually but not physically?

RULE 39. Right Gibbs? No such thing as a coincidence. There are only 2 places in the KJV where the words “moreover also” can be found

EZEK.20 [12] MOREOVER ALSO I gave them MY SABBATHS, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them

ACTS 2 [26] Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; MOREOVER ALSO MY FLESH SHALL REST in hope:

Not a trillion to 1 coincedence. If you will notice in ACTS 2 the WORD says “my flesh shall rest in hope”. Just as GODS 4th commandment tells us to do.

 

[Dan_473]

Shamah, this is in response to your post number 630. I believe your post contains a gazillion hidden links that make it so that if I attach my response to it, it puts it over the 10, 000 character limit for a post. so I'll just post my response, but unfortunately I can't quote your original post.

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okay so we agree that a person or people group can be under more than one Covenant at the same time.

Granted, Psalm 105 is a covenant between God and Abraham and Abraham's descendants. but that doesn't mean it has to be the same Covenant that Jeremiah 31 refers to, since the people of Israel can be in more than one Covenant at the same time.

So to me it's not clear at all that Psalm 105, Jeremiah 31, and Psalm 89 are all the same Covenant.

Most importantly, since Jeremiah 31 specifically refers to a covenant made when Israel came out of Egypt, to me it's clear that it cannot be a covenant made with Abraham.


Galatians 4
These things contain an allegory, for these are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children to bondage, which is Hagar. 25 For this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and answers to the Jerusalem that exists now, for she is in bondage with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Romans 11
In this way all Israel will be saved. It is written,

“The God who saves will come from Mount Zion.
He will remove sin from Jacob’s family.
27 Here is my covenant with them.
I will take away their sins.”(Isaiah 59:20,21; 27:9;Jeremiah 31:33,34)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+11&version=NIRV

I believe you are correct that in the book be call Matthew it doesn't say New Covenant in the Last Supper Passage. I believe however that it definitely does say that in Luke and in the First Corinthians 11 account.

 

[Dan_473]

RULE 39. Right Gibbs? No such thing as a coincidence. There are only 2 places in the KJV where the words “moreover also” can be found

EZEK.20 [12] MOREOVER ALSO I gave them MY SABBATHS, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them

ACTS 2 [26] Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; MOREOVER ALSO MY FLESH SHALL REST in hope:

Not a trillion to 1 coincedence. If you will notice in ACTS 2 the WORD says “my flesh shall rest in hope”. Just as GODS 4th commandment tells us to do.

well, since Ezekiel was written in Hebrew and acts was written in Greek they could not possibly be the same set of words.

Now of course if one believes that the King James version is inspired by God, then that's a whole different story. do you believe the King James is inspired?

 

[Wall]

well, since Ezekiel was written in Hebrew and acts was written in Greek they could not possibly be the same set of words.

Now of course if one believes that the King James version is inspired by God, then that's a whole different story. do you believe the King James is inspired?

Inspired? Yes. Man has made a few changes though

 

[Grandpa]

The sabbath was given before Abraham, before sin, so how can you say the Sabbath is part of the 1st covenant.

The sabbath wasn't "given" before Abraham.

The 7th day sabbath was COMMANDED in the Old Covenant given at Mt. Sinai.

Before then it was never commanded or observed.

 

[lightbearer]

Let's take a look.

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel), any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , as HE said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For HE spake in a certain place (Mt. Sinai in the giving of the Commandments) of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this again (HE speaks), IF they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel).

A few things being mention in these last verses. The giving (speaking) of The Seventh Day and GOD resting on it. And the Seventh Day being brought up again (HE speaks) IF they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel)

Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , and they to whom it was first preached entered not in (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) because of unbelief (Stiff necked hard hearted disobedience): Again, he limiteth a certain day (period), saying in David, To day, (a call to repentance right now; to accept the rest, Katapausis; the ceasing down, the Gospel) after so long a time; as it is said, To day (right now) if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest (Settling down; the Gospel), then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbatismos; A Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. (is being said in relation to verses 3-5 not 7 and 8. Verses 7 and 8 are a scriptural reference being used for a call to repentance. Verses 9 and 10 pick up from verses 3-5 to hold the context of the Seventh Day being spoken of)) For he that is entered into his rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Two separate rests being spoken of in Hebrews 4. The Gospel rest and the the Seventh Day Sabbath. A distinction is being made between the two in verses 9 and 10. A rest (Sabbath keeping) that remains and a rest (the Gospel) that has been entered. The ceasing from their own works as GOD did from HIS (a Sabbath keeping) is something that is being done in addition to entering into the Rest (Gospel). Not the Same thing or a result of.

There remaineth therefore a rest (a Sabbath Keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour (be diligent) therefore to enter into that rest (the Gospel), lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (hard heart; stiff necked disobedience). For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
(Heb 4:9-12 KJV)

As GOD did from HIS is a DIRECT COMPARISON. He that has entered into his rest; the Gospel. Ceases from his own work like GOD did from HIS. GOD IS RIGHTEOUSNESS HE DID NOT CEASE FROM TRYING TO WORK OUT HIS OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND REST IN CHRIST AS WE DO. GOD rested the Seventh Day from all HIS work which HE had made. Physical labor not Spiritual! So we rest from our physical labor also as GOD did because of our entering into our rest in Christ.

just to correct this disimformation- the word Katapausis means- the day of rest, which could point to the Sabbath- it can also mean - where I can rest, basically Heaven ( the place where God dwells , the literal translation ). and can also mean the rest of death ( the rest after the toils and trails of life on earth are over).

it can also be rendered dwelling, habitation . another rendering has it meaning the calming of the winds.

Actually it means a ceasing down; rest. IN Hebrews four it used in reference to the GOSPEL .

so, while it can mean Sabbath, there seems to be a point to Heaven much more than Sabbath and nothing about the Gospel, you just made that up.

No I did not. Context dictates it in verses 1 and 2
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel), any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Verse one states that we should fear lest a promise being left us of entering into his rest we should come short. Then verse two puts a name on this rest.

It says in respects to assigning a reason to what was just said in verse one, FOR (BECAUSE) unto us was the GOSPEL preached as well as unto them, but the word preached did not profit them not being mixed with faith in them that heard it

Being that the rest which is mention in verse one is referred to as the Gospel in verse two each time there after when that the same word is used for rest context dictates that it is the same rest; the GOSPEL. Here follow along.

For we which have believed do enter into rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , as HE said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For HE spake in a certain place (Mt. Sinai in the giving of the Commandments) of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this again (HE speaks), IF they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel).

A few things being mention in these last verses. The giving (speaking) of The Seventh Day and GOD resting on it. And the Seventh Day being brought up again (HE speaks) IF they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel)

Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , and they to whom it was first preached entered not in (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) because of unbelief (Stiff necked hard hearted disobedience): Again, he limiteth a certain day (period), saying in David, To day, (a call to repentance right now; to accept the rest, Katapausis; the ceasing down, the Gospel) after so long a time; as it is said, To day (right now) if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest (Settling down; the Gospel), then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbatismos; A Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. (is being said in relation to verses 3-5 not 7 and 8. Verses 7 and 8 are a scriptural reference being used for a call to repentance. Verses 9 and 10 pick up from verses 3-5 to hold the context of the Seventh Day being spoken of)) For he that is entered into his rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Two separate rests being spoken of in Hebrews 4. The Gospel rest and the the Seventh Day Sabbath. A distinction is being made between the two in verses 9 and 10. A rest (Sabbath keeping) that remains and a rest (the Gospel) that has been entered. The ceasing from their own works as GOD did from HIS (a Sabbath keeping) is something that is being done in addition to entering into the Rest (Gospel). Not the Same thing or a result of.

There remaineth therefore a rest (a Sabbath Keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour (be diligent) therefore to enter into that rest (the Gospel), lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (hard heart; stiff necked disobedience). For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
(Heb 4:9-12 KJV)

As GOD did from HIS is a DIRECT COMPARISON. He that has entered into his rest; the Gospel. Ceases from his own work like GOD did from HIS. GOD IS RIGHTEOUSNESS HE DID NOT CEASE FROM TRYING TO WORK OUT HIS OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND REST IN CHRIST AS WE DO. GOD rested the Seventh Day from all HIS work which HE had made. Physical labor not Spiritual! So we rest from our physical labor also as GOD did because of our entering into our rest in Christ.

 

[lightbearer]

"Sabbath keeping" is not rest. "Sabbath keeping" is working at the law.

If you read in the 10 commandments that you are supposed to do something and with your will and your strength you do it, that is working at the law.

Very simple.

Rest is the ceasing of your work at the law. When a person ceases their work then they do what God did in Genesis.

The ONLY way to cease from your work at the Law is to come to Christ and be given Rest as His Gift.


If you continue to look to the law and with your own will and strength do those things that you THINK it says then you are still working at the law and you have not received rest. Just like ancient Israel before you.

GOD has put HIS WORD through Christ into our hearts and mouths this is the author and finisher of our Faith; the faith in which we speak.
GOD had it word differently else where. HE says HE WILL WILL WRITE HIS Law in our hearts and minds. We are a new creation in Christ Jesus. It is no longer a question of us doing anything through our will and strength. As the Body of Christ the Temple GOD it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure through HIS Word; HIS LAW through HIS Christ being placed in our hearts.

 

[TMS]

If you keep the law spiritually in your heart than the outward physical will come naturally. For example if i don't kill spiritually i don't think I'll be killing phyically. If I remember the sabbath spiritually in my heart it will be seen in my actions.
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

 

[mailmandan]

The sabbath was given before Abraham, before sin, so how can you say the Sabbath is part of the 1st covenant.

The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

If every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath found in the Ten Commandments, never found in the book of Genesis? Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the Sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses?

Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the Sabbath, but were instructed regarding: offerings: Genesis 4:3-4, Altars Genesis 8:20, Priests: Genesis 14:18, Tithes: Genesis 14:20, Circumcision: Genesis 17:10, Marriage: Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9. Why would God leave out the Sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses?

 

[gb9]

Actually it means a ceasing down; rest. IN Hebrews four it used in reference to the GOSPEL .No I did not. Context dictates it in verses 1 and 2
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel), any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Verse one states that we should fear lest a promise being left us of entering into his rest we should come short. Then verse two puts a name on this rest.

It says in respects to assigning a reason to what was just said in verse one, FOR (BECAUSE) unto us was the GOSPEL preached as well as unto them, but the word preached did not profit them not being mixed with faith in them that heard it

Being that the rest which is mention in verse one is referred to as the Gospel in verse two each time there after when that the same word is used for rest context dictates that it is the same rest; the GOSPEL. Here follow along.

For we which have believed do enter into rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , as HE said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For HE spake in a certain place (Mt. Sinai in the giving of the Commandments) of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this again (HE speaks), IF they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel).

A few things being mention in these last verses. The giving (speaking) of The Seventh Day and GOD resting on it. And the Seventh Day being brought up again (HE speaks) IF they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel)

Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , and they to whom it was first preached entered not in (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) because of unbelief (Stiff necked hard hearted disobedience): Again, he limiteth a certain day (period), saying in David, To day, (a call to repentance right now; to accept the rest, Katapausis; the ceasing down, the Gospel) after so long a time; as it is said, To day (right now) if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest (Settling down; the Gospel), then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbatismos; A Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. (is being said in relation to verses 3-5 not 7 and 8. Verses 7 and 8 are a scriptural reference being used for a call to repentance. Verses 9 and 10 pick up from verses 3-5 to hold the context of the Seventh Day being spoken of)) For he that is entered into his rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Two separate rests being spoken of in Hebrews 4. The Gospel rest and the the Seventh Day Sabbath. A distinction is being made between the two in verses 9 and 10. A rest (Sabbath keeping) that remains and a rest (the Gospel) that has been entered. The ceasing from their own works as GOD did from HIS (a Sabbath keeping) is something that is being done in addition to entering into the Rest (Gospel). Not the Same thing or a result of.

There remaineth therefore a rest (a Sabbath Keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour (be diligent) therefore to enter into that rest (the Gospel), lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (hard heart; stiff necked disobedience). For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
(Heb 4:9-12 KJV)

As GOD did from HIS is a DIRECT COMPARISON. He that has entered into his rest; the Gospel. Ceases from his own work like GOD did from HIS. GOD IS RIGHTEOUSNESS HE DID NOT CEASE FROM TRYING TO WORK OUT HIS OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND REST IN CHRIST AS WE DO. GOD rested the Seventh Day from all HIS work which HE had made. Physical labor not Spiritual! So we rest from our physical labor also as GOD did because of our entering into our rest in Christ.

nope . you are lying. the word katapausis is NOT used in Hebrews 4 to mean the Gospel. the words used are euengelismenoi and euangelisthents.

it is a shame that you and others will outright sin to push your man-made religion. shameful behavior.

 

[lightbearer]

nope . you are lying.....it is a shame that you and others will outright sin to push your man-made religion. shameful behavior

At best the only accusing one can do here is to say one is mistaken unless you are claiming to be GOD or a prophet filled with HIS Spirit you can't possibly know the intent of another's heart as to make such an accusation.

A response is forthcoming In relation to the rest of your post; have a nice day.

 

[Yahshua]

The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

If every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath found in the Ten Commandments, never found in the book of Genesis? Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the Sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses?

Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the Sabbath, but were instructed regarding: offerings: Genesis 4:3-4, Altars Genesis 8:20, Priests: Genesis 14:18, Tithes: Genesis 14:20, Circumcision: Genesis 17:10, Marriage: Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9. Why would God leave out the Sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses?

If I may answer; Yah didn't leave out the Sabbath prior to Moses giving the Sabbath to Israel. But like many of the examples you shared, these commands weren't detailed to the reader prior to Mt. Sinai because the reader is to understand that they were already part of the patriarchs' culture/relationship with Yah.

For instance:

- Offerings (Genesis:-4:3-4): Scripture never details Adam or Yah commanding Cain and Abel to give an offering. But from this passage we have to infer such a command was given, else why were they doing it?

It's the same with the Altar, Marriage, Circumcision and the Sabbath. We read of a first mention and then have to infer such was the way thereafter.

"Why would it appear that the sabbath was only detailed to the children of Israel thorugh Moses?"

Remember that the children of Israel were reintroduced to Yah after living in a pagan land for over 400 years. Their minds and culture was completely pagan by this time (as we learn from them sinning with the golden calf and also their constant complaining throughout their journey to want to go back to Egypt).

So they needed Yah's commands/ways enumerated to them. They didn't know the God of their forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (He who doesn't change; who was, is and will be). So upon agreeing to Yah's covenant, He then detailed his laws, statutes and commands to a people wholly ignorant of any of them, through Moses. And to that end, also remember that Genesis was written by Moses to Israel.

(The first five books were given to Israel by Moses as a one code, before he died. "The Torah" ["The Instructions"].)

In the case of the Sabbath; Sabbath is the name given to "the 7th day of the week". In fact, the word we translate as "week" is "Shabua" (root word "shebe" means 7; same root for both words). So we have "the sanctified 7th day" as one of the first things mentioned by Moses to Israel in Genesis.

He details in Genesis 2:3 the history; that the 7th day - the very same day he instructed them to keep holy at the mount - was sanctified as "holy" at creation and marked the end of "the seven days" (i.e. shabua = week), the same way marriage is first mentioned in the same chapter.

Next, the only time we read of the shabua in Genesis is in Genesis 29:27 where Moses records the event of Laban's deception in giving Leah to Jacob instead of Rachael. When Jacob complains Laban says...

"Fulfil her week [SHABUA = 7 days], and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years."

So the reader is to understand that the Sabbath was woven into the culture of Yah...but, as with Cain and Abel regarding sacrifice, there's a right way and a wrong way to honor Yah.

Genesis 4:7
If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you refuse to do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; you are its object of desire, but you must master it.”

 

[gb9]

At best the only accusing one can do here is to say one is mistaken unless you are claiming to be GOD or a prophet filled with HIS Spirit you can't possibly know the intent of another's heart as to make such an accusation.

A response is forthcoming In relation to the rest of your post; have a nice day.

I do not know the intent of your, or anyone else's heart. only you and God know this.


I do know that you are here to push a religion. and you and the other Hebrew roots/ sda/ assembly of called out believers will bend and twist and sadly outright lie to push your idol, the Sabbath.

so, if and when you respond, I will tell you the same thing I tell studydude- cite your source. because the sources I used, I told you, they do not say what you are saying.

 

[BenFTW]

If there remains condemnation for believers with an act of the will then Jesus has died in vain. If partaking in the Sabbath is a necessity, a prerequisite to salvation, then once again Jesus has died in vain. If we add anything to Christ's sufficient sacrifice we are yet on a weak foundation that will crumble. When will we submit to His Lordship? Do people not see that their call to righteousness is another gospel? A call to holiness as an act of the will to be submitted to God is a surrender of a changed heart. We rejoice in righteousness, and have a disdain for evil. We desire to be sanctified.

Yet, we do not place our progressive sanctification and obedience to the Lord as of equal importance with the blood of Christ. To do this is to trample underfoot the Son of God, to consider His blood insufficient to reconcile us to God on the merits of Christ's atonement for us. Reconciliation has been made, and the future is only bright. This we have based in God's faithfulness, His Word, Jesus' blood, and the Holy Spirit as a guarantee of our inheritance.

Salvation is of the Lord.

 

[mailmandan]

The sabbath was given before Abraham, before sin, so how can you say the Sabbath is part of the 1st covenant.

If I may answer; Yah didn't leave out the Sabbath prior to Moses giving the Sabbath to Israel. But like many of the examples you shared, these commands weren't detailed to the reader prior to Mt. Sinai because the reader is to understand that they were already part of the patriarchs' culture/relationship with Yah.

For instance:

- Offerings (Genesis:-4:3-4): Scripture never details Adam or Yah commanding Cain and Abel to give an offering. But from this passage we have to infer such a command was given, else why were they doing it?

It's the same with the Altar, Marriage, Circumcision and the Sabbath. We read of a first mention and then have to infer such was the way thereafter.

In Genesis 2:1-3, we are simply told that God rested from His work of creating on the seventh day. The day is not called a Sabbath day. We are told that God blessed and sanctified it. If God instituted the “Sabbath” before Exodus, it seems strange that it's not recorded in Genesis, and that Adam or any of his descendants, or Noah, or Abraham were not told to observe it.

*Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses.

When the “Ten Commandments” were given on Mt. Sinai the Lord said to Israel, “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy,” (Exodus 20:8), the Sabbath day they were to remember was not the “Seventh day” on which God rested, but the “day” that God had appointed as the “Sabbath day” at the time of the giving of the manna.

The command to observe the Sabbath was given to Israel and was given as the “sign” of the “Mosaic covenant.” “But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'You shall surely observe My Sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations.” (Exodus 31:13; Ezekiel 20:12, 19-21). The Sabbath day then belongs to the Israel under the old covenant and is not binding on the Church under the new convent. Nowhere in the Bible do you find God finding fault with any nation or people, except the Jewish nation, for not observing the Sabbath.

In regards to Cain and Abel, some people may question, “how were Cain and Abel supposed to know what to sacrifice?” The answer is that God must have instructed them. It's clear that the offering was to be a substitutionary atonement, because we read in Hebrews 4:11, "by faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did." It was by or "out of" faith that Abel brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof (Genesis 4:4). The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, and it was accepted. Cain and Abel did not have a Bible like we do, yet God audibly spoke to them.