Sabbath

[mailmandan]

Im not SDA but i believe the scriptures. Sabbath keeping is but 1 of the 10 commandments. Practice to break 1 you've broken them all. You are a transgressor!

Have you perfectly obeyed ALL 10 commandments under the old covenant? Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the old testament under the old covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the old covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

REV.14 [9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,[10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

above scripture sign – hand - forehead (between the eyes) - cup of indignation – the bad guys

below scriptures sign – hand - between thine eyes (forehead) - the LORDS LAW – the good guys

So you agree with the ludicrous argument made by SDA's that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday?

http://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml

DEUT.6 [2] That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and HIS COMMANDMENTS, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.[3] Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.[4]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: [5]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. [6]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: [7]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. [8]And thou shalt bind them for A SIGN UPON THINE HAND, and they shall be as FRONTLETS BETWEEN THINE EYES.

Pretty simple

Now you are back in the old testament under the old covenant. I can see that you are having a difficult time making the transition from the old covenant into the new covenant. The old covenant has been made obsolete to "put legally into place" the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

Pretty simple.

 

[mailmandan]

[I couldn't manage to keep all of this in one post since it was too long]

I've never made my hidden my agenda as I've stated it. But what's clear is your agenda for ad hominem. It's nothing new. If one can't attack the message then attack the messenger. And what's also interesting is the projection of arrogance, noted by the constant labeling. You see, when someone has to do that throughout their responses - instead of reasoning through the subject matter - it shows they've already concluded who they' think they're talking to. If I've never told you what I was, for you to constantly label me - more than once - is the epitome of arrogance.

Let's see, so far depending on the thread I'm in, I've been associated with:

- legalist
- sabbatarian
- sda
- Hebrew movements
- Pharisee

lol what will be next? If you must know the true color I fly is blue. The same color as the original stone tablets on which Yah's holy law was written; the same color as the ribbon that was to always be died to the ends of the garment to remember the commandments.

Your agenda is obvious and I did not simply attack the messenger, but not the message. I clearly refuted your arguments using scripture numerous times, but unfortunately, you just don't have eyes to see or ears to hear. Now you want to play the victim and resort to character assassination over labels.

Turning keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the new covenant in violation of Colossians 2:16-17 and teaching salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is the epitome of arrogance.

 

[lightbearer]

Your agenda is obvious and I did not simply attack the messenger, but not the message. I clearly refuted your arguments using scripture numerous times, but unfortunately, you just don't have eyes to see or ears to hear. Now you want to play the victim and resort to character assassination over labels.

Turning keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the new covenant in violation of Colossians 2:16-17 and teaching salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is the epitome of arrogance.

You don't post without insinuations or direct insults. Sad really....

 

[mailmandan]

You don't post without insinuations or direct insults. Sad really....

That is a two way street and what's really sad is legalism.

 

[lightbearer]

Turning keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the new covenant in violation of Colossians 2:16-17 and teaching salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is the epitome of arrogance.

In Context Colossians 2:16 does not say what you imply.

Blotting out the handwriting to the ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
(Col 2:14)

It is the handwriting to the ordinances that were against us; not the Decalogue. And if I may emphasize it was those that were against that were blotted out of the handwriting to the ordinances. Not all of which Moses was given to hand write in the Book of the Law was against us. Only that which dealt with when we sinned were blotted according to the context and grammar here.

There were other ordinances which were blotted out but are not covered in this context. Such as the way we shave, wear our hair and dress. These were specifically to make Israel stand out as a people. As Christians we have put on Christ. We are a new creation in Christ and as the body of Christ the Temple of GOD it is HE that makes us standout for it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. There is no longer Jew or Gentile we are all One in Christ.

 

[lightbearer]

what's really sad is legalism.

No your constant attacks; as if you are the Judge.

Not to mention trying to excuse your behavior.

 

[Wall]

Now you are back in the old testament under the old covenant. I can see that you are having a difficult time making the transition from the old covenant into the new covenant.

No. Kinda like love and marriage

DEUT. 4 [2] YE SHALL NOT ADD UNTO THE WORD which I command you, NEITHER SHALL YE DIMINISH OUGHT FROM IT, that ye may KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of the Lord your God which I command you.

This is truly ironical. This is being done now. There are "many" who have diminished the entire old testament to make it easier to make the claim that we need not follow Gods 10 commandments. But the new testament also tells us to keep the 10.

2TIM.3 [14] But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee WISE UNTO SALVATION through faith which is in Christ Jesus.[16] ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The ONLY scriptures you would find at the writing of 2Tim.3 were the old testament scriptures

2PETER1 [20] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.[21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST.

Seems the old testament was written by men as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. Its not wise to ignore the Holy Spirit

MATT.13 [51] Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. [52] Then said he unto them, Therefore EVERY SCRIBE WHICH IS INSTRUCTED UNTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN is like unto a man that is an householder, which BRINGETH FORTH OUT OF HIS TREASURE THINGS NEW AND OLD.

Says what it says. Directions to the kingdom. Treasure old and new

LEVITICUS 26 [9] For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you. [10] And YE SHALL EAT OLD STORE, AND BRING FORTH THE OLD BECAUSE OF THE NEW. [11] And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you. [12] And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.

Exactly what happened. Id never be reading the old if it werent for the new

ACTS 17 [10] And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. [11] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that THEY RECEIVED THE WORD WITH ALL READINESS OF MIND, AND SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURES DAILY, WHETHER THOSE THINGS WERE SO. [12] Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

As you can see in the above scripture, the people who knew what they were doing, when they first heard Pauls words, search the old testament scriptures to see if what Paul was saying was true. I suggest you do the same.

 

[mailmandan]

No your constant attacks; as if you are the Judge.

Not to mention trying to excuse your behavior.

Again, it's a two way street. I've been attacked and judged numerous times on CC by misguided teachers of the law.
None of us are the Judge--God is the Judge.

 

[mailmandan]

This is truly ironical. This is being done now. There are "many" who have diminished the entire old testament to make it easier to make the claim that we need not follow Gods 10 commandments. But the new testament also tells us to keep the 10.

Are we under the old covenant or the new covenant?

2TIM.3 [14] But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee WISE UNTO SALVATION through faith which is in Christ Jesus.[16] ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus is not salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works."

Its not wise to ignore the Holy Spirit

It certainly is not (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:13; Colossians 2:16-17).

MATT.13 [51] Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. [52] Then said he unto them, Therefore EVERY SCRIBE WHICH IS INSTRUCTED UNTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN is like unto a man that is an householder, which BRINGETH FORTH OUT OF HIS TREASURE THINGS NEW AND OLD.

Says what it says. Directions to the kingdom. Treasure old and new

LEVITICUS 26 [9] For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you. [10] And YE SHALL EAT OLD STORE, AND BRING FORTH THE OLD BECAUSE OF THE NEW. [11] And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you. [12] And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.

Exactly what happened. Id never be reading the old if it werent for the new

"No one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins." (Luke 5:37-38).

ACTS 17 [10] And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. [11] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that THEY RECEIVED THE WORD WITH ALL READINESS OF MIND, AND SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURES DAILY, WHETHER THOSE THINGS WERE SO. [12] Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

As you can see in the above scripture, the people who knew what they were doing, when they first heard Pauls words, search the old testament scriptures to see if what Paul was saying was true. I suggest you do the same.

I have done the same and have found your arguments about mixing "grace and law," to be wanting.

 

[lightbearer]

Have you perfectly obeyed ALL 10 commandments under the old covenant? Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the old testament under the old covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the old covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

So you agree with the ludicrous argument made by SDA's that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday?

http://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml

Now you are back in the old testament under the old covenant. I can see that you are having a difficult time making the transition from the old covenant into the new covenant. The old covenant has been made obsolete to "put legally into place" the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

Pretty simple.

You forgot the one that repeats the Sabbath. Hebrews 4

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel), any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the GOSPEL (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel), as HE said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (GOD’S rest; the Gospel has been available since the creation of the world) For HE spake in a certain place (Mt. Sinai in the giving of the Commandments) of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this again (AGAIN HE SPEAKS), IF they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel).



A few things need being mentioned in these verses. The REST mentioned is referring to the GOSPEL. This brought to light in verse TWO. The giving (speaking) of The Seventh Day and GOD resting on it. And the Seventh Day being brought up again (HE speaks) IF they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel). And incidentally Two separate things are being mentioned. The Rest in which is the GOSPEL and the forth Commandment; Seventh Day which is the Sabbath.



Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , and they to whom it was first preached entered not in (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) because of unbelief (Stiff necked hard hearted disobedience): Again, he limiteth a certain day (period), saying in David, To day, (a call to repentance right now; to accept the rest, Katapausis; the ceasing down, the Gospel) after so long a time; as it is said, To day (right now) if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest (Settling down; the Gospel), then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbatismos; A Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. (is being said in relation to verses 3-5 not 7 and 8. Verses 7 and 8 are a scriptural reference being used for a call to repentance. Verses 9 and 10 pick up from verses 3-5 to hold the context of the Seventh Day being spoken of)) For he that is entered into his rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.



Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.



Two separate rests being spoken of in Hebrews 4. The Gospel rest and the Seventh Day Sabbath. A distinction is being made between the two in verses 9 and 10. A rest (Sabbath keeping) that remains and a rest (the Gospel) that has been entered. The ceasing from their own works as GOD did from HIS (a Sabbath keeping) is something that is being done in addition to entering into the Rest (Gospel). Not the Same thing, a result of or because.



There remaineth therefore a rest (a Sabbath Keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour (be diligent) therefore to enter into that rest (the Gospel), lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (hard heart; stiff necked disobedience). For the word of God is quick (living), and powerful (actively effective), and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner (that still small voice)of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

(Heb 4:9-12 KJV)



As GOD did from HIS in verse ten is a DIRECT COMPARISON. He that has entered into his rest; the Gospel. Ceases from his own work like GOD did from HIS. GOD IS RIGHTEOUSNESS HE DID NOT CEASE FROM TRYING TO WORK OUT HIS OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND REST IN CHRIST AS WE DO. GOD rested the Seventh Day from all HIS work which HE had made. Physical labor not Spiritual! So we rest from our physical labor also as GOD did because of our entering into our rest in Christ.

 

[Wall]

I can see that you are having a difficult time making the transition from the old covenant into the new covenant. The old covenant has been made obsolete

Im sure your book says obsolete

HEBREWS 8 [12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. [13] In that he saith, A NEW COVENANT, HE HATH MADE THE FIRST OLD. NOW THAT WHICH DECAYETH AND WAXETH OLD IS READY TO VANISH AWAY.

But the bible says its waxing old. Getting ready to vanish. Are you waxing old? Are you obsolete?

 

[lightbearer]

Again, it's a two way street. I've been attacked and judged numerous times on CC by misguided teachers of the law.
None of us are the Judge--God is the Judge.

Even in this reply you take a jab and try to excuse your behavior. Sad.....

 

[Wall]

I have done the same and have found your arguments about mixing "grace and law," to be wanting.

JUDE 1 [1]Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called: [2] Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied. [3] Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of THE COMMON SALVATION, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was ONCE DELIVERED UNTO THE SAINTS. [4] For there are CERTAIN MEN CREPT IN unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, TURNING THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO LASCIVIOUSNESS, AND DENYING THE ONLY LORD GOD, AND OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. [5] I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, afterward DESTROYED THEM THAT BELIEVED NOT.

Above scripture tells us a lot. Speaks of salvation and faith delivered to the saints. But certain men crept in and turned the grace of God into lasciviousness and now deny Jesus. Lets go see why these people were destroyed

EZEK.20 [10] Wherefore I caused them to go forth OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, and brought them INTO THE WILDERNESS. [11] And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.[12] Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.[13] But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and MY SABBATHS THEY GREATLY POLLUTED: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them IN THE WILDERNESS, TO CONSUME THEM.

YUP

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Romans 14:1
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

 

[Wall]

Romans 14:1
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Also found in Romans

ROMANS 3 [30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31] DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: yea, we establish the law.

 

[posthuman]

Your argument was that Paul was going there to preach to those who were under the law. I was showing you that wasn't 100% true. He was also preaching to gentiles, my overarching point being that gentiles were very familiar with the Sabbath, as another member implied they weren't. But right of course, "so what".

if they were proselytes they made themselves under the Law.

Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God.
(Acts 13:3)​

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but my argument is that the argument that Paul attending synagogue indicates all believers must ceremonially keep sabbath according to the Law is spurious. to prove my case, which is a counter-case to an argument you implied by citing his attendance at synagogue, it is sufficient to show that he did not command gentiles to attend synagogue, the activity he habitually undertook at synagogues was not ceremonial observance but something else, or that he broke this habit at any time without conviction of being a lawbreaker by cessation of weekly visitation. any of these, or indeed other facts, would wreck the case you made.
and that is what we find -- the record of scripture does not include anywhere any command to gentile believers to keep sabbath ((with the exception of the believing pharisees at the council in Acts 15, where they offered the argument that gentiles who have come to faith must be commanded to keep the Law of Moses, implicit therein being the sabbath ordinances within that Law - but nowhere is any apostle or even Christ Himself recorded as commanding this)), and the record of scripture is that Paul went to synagogues in order to preach the gospel, not by compulsion of the commandments, and the record is that when those at the synagogues who were under the Law rejected the gospel, Paul also left, and continued the same preaching among gentiles, no longer attending synagogue, and doing so daily, not weekly - such that his preaching cannot be considered an activity he was undergoing as though a keeping of a weekly-observed ordinance.

 

[posthuman]

Also found in Romans

ROMANS 3 [30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31] DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: yea, we establish the law.

notice that over and over and over, the accusation made ((falsely)) against those preaching the gospel is "you guys are preaching against the Law and encouraging licentiousness"
the accusation is never "you guys are preaching a righteousness of works"

also found in Romans:

Why not say -- as some slanderously claim that we say -- "Let us do evil that good may result"?​

(Romans 3:8)​

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What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? ​

(Romans 6:1) ​

this brings up an interesting question:
what is it about the true gospel that makes these specific false charges come up?
why would someone get the idea that the faith makes the Law void?
why would someone get the idea that they should go on living in sin?
are these ideas someone might ((wrongly)) arrive at if what is being preached is "keep the Law of Moses" because, "Law"?
if the gospel being taught is "2nd chance at keeping the Law" ?
if the new covenant is nothing but Law 2.0 with the only change being deletion of the sacrificial system jots and tittles, would anyone ever arrive at 'so why not just go on sinning' ?

 

[posthuman]

Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

this verse from the Law is made up of jots and tittles:

And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, and put the bonnets on them: ​

and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons. ​

(Exodus 29:9) ​

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so what happened?
must be something extraordinary, i think
either these particular yodhs have passed away, or the covenant of His blood is not a 'renewal' of the one made at Sinai, but an entirely different and new covenant.
and does Galatians 4 not speak of two covenants, not one?

i think, if you are still under the Law, Levi is your priest. and you're screwed, because there is no temple.
if Christ is your priest, you are not under Law but grace. and you have never been in any danger, because He holds you under His wings, covering you with His feathers.

 

[posthuman]

Again, it's a two way street. I've been attacked and judged numerous times on CC by misguided teachers of the law.
None of us are the Judge--God is the Judge.

ditches on both sides of the road, too

 

[Shamah]

this verse from the Law is made up of jots and tittles:

And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, and put the bonnets on them: ​

and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons. ​

(Exodus 29:9) ​

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so what happened?
must be something extraordinary, i think
either these particular yodhs have passed away, or the covenant of His blood is not a 'renewal' of the one made at Sinai, but an entirely different and new covenant.
and does Galatians 4 not speak of two covenants, not one?

i think, if you are still under the Law, Levi is your priest. and you're screwed, because there is no temple.
if Christ is your priest, you are not under Law but grace. and you have never been in any danger, because He holds you under His wings, covering you with His feathers.

You keep saying this and I have said to you everytime, Yahshua is High Priest now,

Psalm 110:4, “יהוה has sworn and does not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”

Hebrews 4:14-15, "Seeing then that we have a great High Priest Who has ascended into the heavens: Yahshua the Son of יהוה, let us hold fast our profession. For we do not have a High Priest Who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all ways tempted as we are, yet was without sin."

and Hebrews 7 talks about the abolishment of the LEvitical and the transfer of the Law to Yahshua, I am confident that Yahshua can caryy out all His duties as High Priest, eternally...

Hebrews 7:24-25,"but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to יהוה through Him, ever living to make intercession for them."