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"Dude" means a 'well dressed guy' - "a man extremely fastidious in dress and manner" (Merriam Websters), and therefore, "I dig it - man.", for I am clothed with the righteousness of Christ Jesus, having put on Christ, and adorn His doctrine in all things. Finest robes indeed, even "well" (healed from sickness, and of deep waters) dressed, by the Great Physician.

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"Dude" means a 'well dressed guy' - "a man extremely fastidious in dress and manner" (Merriam Websters), and therefore, "I dig it - man.", for I am clothed with the righteousness of Christ Jesus, having put on Christ, and adorn His doctrine in all things. Finest robes indeed, even "well" (healed from sickness, and of deep waters) dressed, by the Great Physician.

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this guy gets it

some people get offended when i call them dude =\

thanks :)
 

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"Dude" means a 'well dressed guy' - "a man extremely fastidious in dress and manner" (Merriam Websters), and therefore, "I dig it - man.", for I am clothed with the righteousness of Christ Jesus, having put on Christ, and adorn His doctrine in all things. Finest robes indeed, even "well" (healed from sickness, and of deep waters) dressed, by the Great Physician.

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so, speaking of clothes, the parable of the wedding feast. the invited guests don't come - the king sends out his servants to bring in everyone travelling on the road, all the poor and lame and infirm. he is walking in the feast, and he sees a man without a wedding garment - how did you get in here without the proper clothes? - the man is speechless, and is thrown out.

how do the poor, the lame, the infirm, the people on the main highway have wedding garments?
beggars have wedding garments? homeless people?
do they provide the raiment or does the king? at the gate? in the gate..
how did this man know a feast was given, how did he get in? who is he?


lovely parable ;)
 
some people get offended when i call them dude =\
Nah, no worries here, I grew up with it, in "Cali", "bro". And even as serving in ministry, I had a good motherly sister from Samoa, constantly calling me "Hey, dude". She was just brought up that way, and I love her for it.

I asked her a question one day, if she knew who the brother of "Hadad" was? I told her it was "Hey, dude."

(probably related to He[y]man or Haman).
 

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I am a true Seventh-day Adventist, by God's grace, and therefore, sister White, is not a 'false teacher'. I pray you do not make this thread about that godly woman. Feel free to begin another thread on it elsewhere and I may join you there (maybe).
sister white is a false teacher. I mean, she falls, hits her head, has a vison, and then says " Sabbath saves and sunday worship is the mark of the beast". and you call her Godly? which god????
 
sister white is ...
I will recommend to you actual historical accounts, and materials, without exaggerations, and mis-characterizations, here, please take the time - http://www.pearltrees.com/awhn/ellen-g-white/id1593382

Then listen to this in full, and tell me again what you think (at least listen to chapters 74-87 minimally, without distractions, but seriously dwelling upon the words therein, with your Bible open) - https://www.thedesireofagesproject.com/

This is my last repsonse on this subject in this thread, for I have given you the opportunity elsewhere if you desire. That offer is still open. Thank you for your time.
 

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I am a true Seventh-day Adventist, by God's grace
do you guys stop mowing your lawns for one year out of every seven?
((re: Leviticus 25))


this is partly jest, partly not. if we should physically keep sabbath 'because, the law' then also the sabbath year, and jubilee - right? what should that look like? what's the application to believers today?

i really don't see the usefulness of repeating for another hundred pages the same arguments already made, and would rather talk about things that aren't previously covered here.
 
do you guys stop mowing your lawns for one year out of every seven?
((re: Leviticus 25))
Lev 25:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.

Heavenly Canaan is the Home (here I am only a pilgrim, and own nothing (in two ways)) - John 14:1-3; see Exodus 20:12.

2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

You have a vail ...
 

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Lev 25:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.

Heavenly Canaan is the Home (here I am only a pilgrim, and own nothing (in two ways)) - John 14:1-3; see Exodus 20:12.

2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

You have a vail ...
here is one thing that is clear- gentles were never under the Law, and there is not one N.T. command to keep the Sabbath.

Sabbath does not save, faith in Christ does.
 

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Lev 25:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.

Heavenly Canaan is the Home (here I am only a pilgrim, and own nothing (in two ways)) - John 14:1-3; see Exodus 20:12.

2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

You have a vail ...
if it is all to be spiritually discerned, not physically, then i assume you are not a hypocrite, and that you in like manner believe the sabbath day is also to be spiritually, not carnally, kept..?
 

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Hi, EvangAlived,

Welcome to CC!

What is your understanding of the part in Galatians where it says but if we are led by the spirit then we are not under the law.

Which as I understand it can also be translated not under law or not under rules.

It seems like that would take care of the whole law discussion, to me.

What's your view?
 

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That is not what Paul says:

Rom_7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

You are in error (again).
I said the carnal following of the law is disannulled. Just like Paul said in Hebrews.

The law is spiritual.

So why do people insist on following it in a carnal way?

Answer: because they are spiritually bankrupt and don't know the difference.
 

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I said the carnal following of the law is disannulled. Just like Paul said in Hebrews.

The law is spiritual.

So why do people insist on following it in a carnal way?

Answer: because they are spiritually bankrupt and don't know the difference.
whoever is in the flesh minds the things of the flesh.

touch not, taste not, handle not. an appearance of wisdom of no benefit.
 

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Part of the question I was asking was weather the Covenant that Jesus talks about the Last Supper when he says this is the New Covenant in my blood, is that the same as the New Covenant mentioned in Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8.

As I said it probably is, but it does raise some interesting issues.

When issue I find interesting is that we would expect to find the law of God written on the hearts of the House of Israel and the house of Judah. But I do not see this happening with Jewish people today.

I believe you are assuming that a person can be under only one Covenant with God at a time. I disagree with that. I think that would be a good thing to resolve before we move further.
Hebrews makes it clear the Covenant in Jer 31 is the COvenant ratified in the blood of Yahshua:

Hebrews 10:14-19,, “For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are being set apart. And the Set-apart Spirit also witnesses to us, for after having said before, This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them, (Jer 31:33)” and, “Their sins and their lawlessness I shall remember no more. (Jer 31:34)” Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer a sacrificeoffering for sin. So, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Set-apart Place by the blood of יהושע.”

How much more clear could it get, I pointed this out like 10 times now.... How can you still wonder?

Well all "Israel" is not Jewish and even not all Jews follow Judaisim, some follow the Messiah and any Gentile who follows the Messiah is an Israylite...

Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before יהוה. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

and you keep saying this multiple COvenant thing while rejecting what is clearly written in Hebrew 10. Maybe we should resolve Hebrews 10 before moving on? Fact is Isaiah 56 says the Sabbath is for Gentiles... so that IS clearly written....
 

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I said the carnal following of the law is disannulled. Just like Paul said in Hebrews.

The law is spiritual.

So why do people insist on following it in a carnal way?

Answer: because they are spiritually bankrupt and don't know the difference.
Because they have His Law in theor heart. WIthout it one is in falsehood.

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity (being without Law) will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

Isaiah 5:20, “Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteousness evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of יהוה and possessing the witness of יהושע Messiah."


Isaiah 8:20, "To the Law and to the Testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
 

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I disagree, the law and the prophets have been fulfilled. That's what Jesus said he came to do, and I believe he was successful.
Well He has not returned a second time as Psalm 2 says...

Luke 24:44-46, “And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be fulfilled that were written in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.

He went farther in Mat 5, He said heaven and earth have to pass and ALL be done...

Matthew 5:17-19, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done. Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.”

or there is an alternate reading of this passage:

Matthew 5:17-19, “Do not think..."
 

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The Sabbath of the LORD my God (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), was sanctified, bless and made Holy by God's resting, and yet it was "made" (created) for the man, Adam, and all humanity in him (Mark 2:27-28).
Sabbatarians (especially SDA's) often quote Mark 2:27 to imply that the Sabbath was made for all mankind, but the text doesn't say that. It doesn't say, "The Sabbath was made for "mankind", it says, "the Sabbath was made for man."

When the Scripture is meant to be inclusive of all mankind it is clear. *See Matthew 28:19; John 3:16; Acts 2:17; I Timothy 2:4; Titus 2:11. These verses clearly indicate that when God offers something to all mankind He clearly offers it to all.

The Sabbath was not offered to all the nations. It was given only to the nation of Israel (Exodus 13:13-17). It's often claimed by SDA's that “God instituted the Sabbath in Eden” because of the connection between the Sabbath and creation in Exodus 20:11. Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses.

The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

The Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16-17).

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).

If every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath found in the Ten Commandments, never found in the book of Genesis? Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the Sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses? Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the Sabbath, but were instructed regarding: offerings: Genesis 4:3-4, Altars Genesis 8:20, Priests: Genesis 14:18, Tithes: Genesis 14:20, Circumcision: Genesis 17:10, Marriage: Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9. Why would God leave out the Sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses? :unsure:
 

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="mailmandan, post: 3720809, member: 193497"]Sabbatarians (especially SDA's) often quote Mark 2:27 to imply that the Sabbath was made for all mankind, but the text doesn't say that. It doesn't say, "The Sabbath was made for "mankind", it says, "the Sabbath was made for man."

When the Scripture is meant to be inclusive of all mankind it is clear. *See Matthew 28:19; John 3:16; Acts 2:17; I Timothy 2:4; Titus 2:11. These verses clearly indicate that when God offers something to all mankind He clearly offers it to all
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"MAN" Greek = anthropoa "manfaced, ie "a human being", certain, man.

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man,(Human Being) and not man (Human being) for the Sabbath:

It is written;

Rom. 3:
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

The Messiah most certainly said God's Sabbath was made for "Human Beings". You may not believe Him because His Word brings your ancient religious traditions into question, but there can be no doubt what the Christ said. If you are deceived in your understanding above, which the Bible and the Greek say you are, then you can also be deceived about other things.

The Sabbath was not offered to all the nations. It was given only to the nation of Israel


You misled the readers of your posts in your description of the word "man" suggesting it only means Jews and not simply humans. I believe you are mistaken about what the Scriptures say regarding God's Laws only being for Jews as well. You omitted many of God's Word's which more clearly define His intent.

Ex. 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, (Jew) and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. (Gentile)

You can't get much plainer than that.

Gal. 3:
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Gen. 26:
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


Is. 56:
1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

3 Neither let the son of the stranger, (Gentile) that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

4 For thus saith the LORD (Word which became Flesh) unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

Acts 26:
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Rom. 11:
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches (Jews) be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, (Gentile) wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

It's hard to make the case that His Holy, Sanctified Sabbath that HE SAID was created for humans, is not part of His Goodness that we are to continue in just as the same Christ, as the Word of God said in Isaiah.

God's Word's were created for all people, at least according to the Christ of the Bible. These verses are not void just because they bring your ancient religious traditions into question, IMO.

If every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath found in the Ten Commandments, never found in the book of Genesis? Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the Sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses? Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the Sabbath, but were instructed regarding: offerings: Genesis 4:3-4, Altars Genesis 8:20, Priests: Genesis 14:18, Tithes: Genesis 14:20, Circumcision: Genesis 17:10, Marriage: Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9. Why would God leave out the Sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses? :unsure:
First of all man was destroyed by the Flood because they sinned, Sodom was destroyed because they disobeyed God. So it is a deception to imply that anyone is saying "every man" kept the Sabbath, or followed any on God's instructions. Only those faithful few throughout the Bible followed God's instructions. The rest created their own path to eternity. It didn't work out very well for them.

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

So you can preach that Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean animals, but didn't know about God's Creation of His Week if you like, but you have zero evidence to support this teaching, only ancient Catholic Tradition.

You preach Abraham didn't have God's Sabbath. We know He didn't have the "Atonement" laws of the Levitical Priesthood because Levi wasn't born. This Law was "ADDED" 430 years later as the scriptures teach.

But Abraham most certainly had God's Laws.

Gen. 26:
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Now you can preach that Adam didn't know about God's creation, including His Holy, Sanctified, and set apart Sabbath, that the Christ said was made for humans, if you want. But you have nothing but ancient Catholic Tradition to go on. The Scriptures do not say Adam didn't know about God's Creation just as the scriptures didn't say Abraham didn't know. What the Scriptures say is that Abraham obeyed God's Commandments. You have zero evidence that His Holy, Sanctified and set apart Sabbath wasn't one of them. Only man made religious tradition.

We know that Abraham saw the Lord of the Sabbath and was Glad. If you believe Abraham saw a different Lord, well that explains a lot.

Therefore it is "Lawful" to do good on His Holy Sabbath. Rejecting any of His Ten Commandments is not L"GOOD" IMO.[/QUOTE]
 

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Hebrews makes it clear the Covenant in Jer 31 is the COvenant ratified in the blood of Yahshua:

Hebrews 10:14-19,, “For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are being set apart. And the Set-apart Spirit also witnesses to us, for after having said before, This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them, (Jer 31:33)” and, “Their sins and their lawlessness I shall remember no more. (Jer 31:34)” Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer a sacrificeoffering for sin. So, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Set-apart Place by the blood of יהושע.”

How much more clear could it get, I pointed this out like 10 times now.... How can you still wonder?

Well all "Israel" is not Jewish and even not all Jews follow Judaisim, some follow the Messiah and any Gentile who follows the Messiah is an Israylite...

Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before יהוה. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

and you keep saying this multiple COvenant thing while rejecting what is clearly written in Hebrew 10. Maybe we should resolve Hebrews 10 before moving on? Fact is Isaiah 56 says the Sabbath is for Gentiles... so that IS clearly written....
I agree that Hebrews 10 says that there is a covenant ratified by Jesus blood. The question is is that the same Covenant that Jesus talks about when he says this is the New Covenant in my blood. or is it the Covenant that Paul talks about in Romans chapter 11 roundabout verse 26.