Sabbath

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

lightbearer

Senior Member
Jun 17, 2017
2,014
454
83
53
HBG. Pa. USA
to say that one has to keep the Sabbath to be saved is inexcusable. and a lie. there is no N.T. command to do so.
It is recorded as of the Body of Christ. He kept it and spoke of the Sabbath. As a matter of fact Quite often in regards to not over regulating it. However Not once saying it was done away with as pertaining to the example that one experiences when connected to GOD. As a matter of fact he said not one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law or the prophets till all is fulfilled. All has not been fulfilled.

The writer of Hebrews emphatically and explicitly states.
Heb 4:9 Therefore a Sabbath-rest is left for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For* he who is entered into his rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.

As GOD did from HIS is a direct comparison to the ceasing from physical labor that HE did in Genesis upon ending HIS work of creation.
 

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
7,098
2,962
113
It is recorded as of the Body of Christ. He kept it and spoke of the Sabbath. As a matter of fact Quite often in regards to not over regulating it. However Not once saying it was done away with as pertaining to the example that one experiences when connected to GOD. As a matter of fact he said not one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law or the prophets till all is fulfilled. All has not been fulfilled.

The writer of Hebrews emphatically and explicitly states.
Heb 4:9 Therefore a Sabbath-rest is left for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For* he who is entered into his rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.

As GOD did from HIS is a direct comparison to the ceasing from physical labor that HE did in Genesis upon ending HIS work of creation.
if you bother to read Hebrews 4 in context, ( something you judeaizers flat refuse to do ), the writer was speaking of belief in Christ.

I mean, did Joshua give them the Sabbath ( v. 8 )?? do you " enter " the Sabbath ( v.6 )??

or, does it mean that Israel refused to enter the Promised land, ( rest ) because of unbelief?

yes, that is what it means. not keeping the jewish Sabbath.

in the same way Israel refused to believe in God the Father and enter the promised land, so will those who refuse to believe in the name of the Son will not enter the Kingdom.

and, keeping the Sabbath will not get you in, since command keeping does not save.
 

lightbearer

Senior Member
Jun 17, 2017
2,014
454
83
53
HBG. Pa. USA
Condescending? LOL....
if you bother to read Hebrews 4 in context, ( something you judeaizers flat refuse to do )
I love that you opened this door. You just responded to the post without actually addressing the point of it. Nothing that you posted in anyway addresses, "As GOD did from HIS"
The writer of Hebrews emphatically and explicitly states.
Heb 4:9 Therefore a Sabbath-rest is left for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For* he who is entered into his rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.

As GOD did from HIS is a direct comparison to the ceasing from physical labor that HE did in Genesis upon ending HIS work of creation.
Context? It all fits rather nicely when one keeps it together.




Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest (from the Greek Katapausis; literally means a ceasing down, And I put forth to you today that this ceasing down is the Gospel. Our sins being purged; a new inner man; Consciences; the law in our hearts and minds being written. Through which the faithful and true High Priest succors (helps) us in our time of need; that still small voice; The Law of GOD HIS Christ in our hearts and mouths. The covering shelter to which he has provided. ), Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering THIS rest any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the GOSPEL (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached (the Gospel) did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. Use the Faith; the Word; the Law; His Christ in your heart and mouth! This the Faith in which we Preach. This is the Gift of the GOSPEL. LORD we believe HELP our unbelief. AMEN! For we which have believed do enter into rest; THE GOSPEL!



For we which have believed do enter into rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel), as HE said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (GOD’S rest; the Gospel has been available since the creation of the world) For HE spake in a certain place (Mt. Sinai in the giving of the Commandments) of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this again (AGAIN HE SPEAKS), IF they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel).



A few things need being mention in from these verses. The REST mentioned is referring to the GOSPEL. This brought to light in verse TWO. The giving (speaking) of The Seventh Day and GOD resting on it. And the Seventh Day being brought up again (HE speaks) IF they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel). And incidentally Two separate things are being mentioned. The Rest in which is the GOSPEL and the forth Commandment; Seventh Day which is the Sabbath. Also if I may verse four is rather specific with it's use of definite articles in the Greek.

Here listen to a more direct translation.



Heb 4:4 ....And rested the GOD in the day; the seventh from all the works of HIM.



It is IN THE day; the seventh in which HE spoke about on Mt Sinia. And in that day; the seventh HE rested from all HIS works.



Couple that with the fact Heb 4:5 says And in this again (HE SPEAKS), If they shall enter into my rest. We have repeating of the forth commandment



Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , and they to whom it was first preached entered not in (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) because of unbelief (Stiff necked hard hearted disobedience): Again, he limiteth a certain day (a certain period, a moment; right now), saying in David, To day, (a call to repentance right now; to accept the rest, Katapausis; the ceasing down, the Gospel) after so long a time; as it is said, To day (right now) if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest (A Settling down; the Gospel), then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbatismos; A Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. (is being said in relation to verses 3-5 not 7 and 8. Verses 7 and 8 are a scriptural reference being used for a call to repentance. Verses 9 and 10 pick up from verses 3-5 to hold the context of the Seventh Day being spoken of)) For he that is entered into his rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.



Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.



Two separate rests being spoken of in Hebrews 4. The Gospel rest and the Seventh Day Sabbath. A distinction is being made between the two in verses 9 and 10. A rest (Sabbath keeping) that remains and a rest (the Gospel) that has been entered. The ceasing from their own works as GOD did from HIS (a Sabbath keeping) is something that is being done in addition to entering into the Rest (Gospel). Not the Same thing, a result of or because.



There remaineth therefore a rest (a Sabbath Keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour (be diligent) therefore to enter into that rest (the Gospel), lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (hard heart; stiff necked disobedience). For the word of God is quick (living), and powerful (actively effective), and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner (that still small voice)of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

(Heb 4:9-12 KJV)



As GOD did from HIS in verse ten is a DIRECT COMPARISON. He that has entered into his rest; the Gospel. Ceases from his own work like GOD did from HIS. GOD IS RIGHTEOUSNESS HE DID NOT CEASE FROM TRYING TO WORK OUT HIS OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND REST IN CHRIST AS WE DO. GOD rested the Seventh Day from all HIS work which HE had made. Physical labor not Spiritual! So we rest from our physical labor also as GOD did because of our entering into our rest in Christ.
 

JaumeJ

Senior Member
Jul 2, 2011
16,157
3,090
113
It is recorded as of the Body of Christ. He kept it and spoke of the Sabbath. As a matter of fact Quite often in regards to not over regulating it. However Not once saying it was done away with as pertaining to the example that one experiences when connected to GOD. As a matter of fact he said not one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law or the prophets till all is fulfilled. All has not been fulfilled.

The writer of Hebrews emphatically and explicitly states.
Heb 4:9 Therefore a Sabbath-rest is left for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For* he who is entered into his rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.

As GOD did from HIS is a direct comparison to the ceasing from physical labor that HE did in Genesis upon ending HIS work of creation.

It seems to me, after lots of considertion, meditation and wondering that the fulfilling of the law is until our rest when our blessed Savior puts the finishing tough on our perfection.

Just as the prophets are being fulfilled and the prophesies of the Word, Yeshua.

Almost all believe sin is yet with us but many deny the law. How can there be sin without laws to break.? All is being fulfilled, even each's perfection.
 

lightbearer

Senior Member
Jun 17, 2017
2,014
454
83
53
HBG. Pa. USA
It seems to me, after lots of considertion, meditation and wondering that the fulfilling of the law is until our rest when our blessed Savior puts the finishing tough on our perfection.

Just as the prophets are being fulfilled and the prophesies of the Word, Yeshua.

Almost all believe sin is yet with us but many deny the law. How can there be sin without laws to break.? All is being fulfilled, even each's perfection.
Considering Christ is the fulling of the Covenant, the Commandments in our hearts and minds HIS Word in our hearts and mouths. Matthew 5:18 should be considered as follows, for the Greek allows it.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be becoming. (the all meaning us)
(Mat 5:18-19 KJV)
 

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
7,098
2,962
113
Condescending? LOL....
I love that you opened this door. You just responded to the post without actually addressing the point of it. Nothing that you posted in anyway addresses, "As GOD did from HIS"
Context? It all fits rather nicely when one keeps it together.




Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest (from the Greek Katapausis; literally means a ceasing down, And I put forth to you today that this ceasing down is the Gospel. Our sins being purged; a new inner man; Consciences; the law in our hearts and minds being written. Through which the faithful and true High Priest succors (helps) us in our time of need; that still small voice; The Law of GOD HIS Christ in our hearts and mouths. The covering shelter to which he has provided. ), Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering THIS rest any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the GOSPEL (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached (the Gospel) did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. Use the Faith; the Word; the Law; His Christ in your heart and mouth! This the Faith in which we Preach. This is the Gift of the GOSPEL. LORD we believe HELP our unbelief. AMEN! For we which have believed do enter into rest; THE GOSPEL!



For we which have believed do enter into rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel), as HE said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (GOD’S rest; the Gospel has been available since the creation of the world) For HE spake in a certain place (Mt. Sinai in the giving of the Commandments) of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this again (AGAIN HE SPEAKS), IF they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel).



A few things need being mention in from these verses. The REST mentioned is referring to the GOSPEL. This brought to light in verse TWO. The giving (speaking) of The Seventh Day and GOD resting on it. And the Seventh Day being brought up again (HE speaks) IF they shall enter into my rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel). And incidentally Two separate things are being mentioned. The Rest in which is the GOSPEL and the forth Commandment; Seventh Day which is the Sabbath. Also if I may verse four is rather specific with it's use of definite articles in the Greek.

Here listen to a more direct translation.



Heb 4:4 ....And rested the GOD in the day; the seventh from all the works of HIM.



It is IN THE day; the seventh in which HE spoke about on Mt Sinia. And in that day; the seventh HE rested from all HIS works.



Couple that with the fact Heb 4:5 says And in this again (HE SPEAKS), If they shall enter into my rest. We have repeating of the forth commandment



Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , and they to whom it was first preached entered not in (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) because of unbelief (Stiff necked hard hearted disobedience): Again, he limiteth a certain day (a certain period, a moment; right now), saying in David, To day, (a call to repentance right now; to accept the rest, Katapausis; the ceasing down, the Gospel) after so long a time; as it is said, To day (right now) if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest (A Settling down; the Gospel), then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbatismos; A Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. (is being said in relation to verses 3-5 not 7 and 8. Verses 7 and 8 are a scriptural reference being used for a call to repentance. Verses 9 and 10 pick up from verses 3-5 to hold the context of the Seventh Day being spoken of)) For he that is entered into his rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.



Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest (Katapausis; ceasing down, the Gospel) , lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.



Two separate rests being spoken of in Hebrews 4. The Gospel rest and the Seventh Day Sabbath. A distinction is being made between the two in verses 9 and 10. A rest (Sabbath keeping) that remains and a rest (the Gospel) that has been entered. The ceasing from their own works as GOD did from HIS (a Sabbath keeping) is something that is being done in addition to entering into the Rest (Gospel). Not the Same thing, a result of or because.



There remaineth therefore a rest (a Sabbath Keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour (be diligent) therefore to enter into that rest (the Gospel), lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (hard heart; stiff necked disobedience). For the word of God is quick (living), and powerful (actively effective), and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner (that still small voice)of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

(Heb 4:9-12 KJV)



As GOD did from HIS in verse ten is a DIRECT COMPARISON. He that has entered into his rest; the Gospel. Ceases from his own work like GOD did from HIS. GOD IS RIGHTEOUSNESS HE DID NOT CEASE FROM TRYING TO WORK OUT HIS OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND REST IN CHRIST AS WE DO. GOD rested the Seventh Day from all HIS work which HE had made. Physical labor not Spiritual! So we rest from our physical labor also as GOD did because of our entering into our rest in Christ.
we went through this a while back . the word katapausis can mean Sabbath, or just rest, or calming down, or it can be a metaphor for Heaven.

so, as usual, you have to be deceitful to push your Sabbath for salvation garbage.

the only thing that saves a person, the only way to enter the rest that your word can mean, is through faith and trust in Jesus.

not good works . not command keeping. those will not get you there.
 

lightbearer

Senior Member
Jun 17, 2017
2,014
454
83
53
HBG. Pa. USA
we went through this a while back . the word katapausis can mean Sabbath, or just rest, or calming down, or it can be a metaphor for Heaven.

so, as usual, you have to be deceitful to push your Sabbath for salvation garbage.
As usual you spout garbage about people rather than deal with the facts of the posts you respond to.
Context and grammar dictates the Text to be understood as the post you responded to puts forth.
the only thing that saves a person, the only way to enter the rest that your word can mean, is through faith and trust in Jesus.

not good works . not command keeping. those will not get you there.
Amen! But because of being saved we stand in Christ and through HIS Spirit Worship GOD and not idols. We do not take the LORD'S name in vain. We keep Sabbath. We do not kill or bear false witness. We honor our fathers and our mothers. We do not steal, covet or commit adultery; etc; etc.

For GOD is Love and this Love fulfills the Law

As HE is so are we in this world. Because It is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Christ in us the hope of Glory.
 

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
7,098
2,962
113
As usual you spout garbage about people rather than deal with the facts of the posts you respond to.
Context and grammar dictates the Text to be understood as the post you responded to puts forth.
Amen! But because of being saved we stand in Christ and through HIS Spirit Worship GOD and not idols. We do not take the LORD'S name in vain. We keep Sabbath. We do not kill or bear false witness. We honor our fathers and our mothers. We do not steal, covet or commit adultery; etc; etc.

For GOD is Love and this Love fulfills the Law

As HE is so are we in this world. Because It is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Christ in us the hope of Glory.
ahh, but, you think the letter of the Law must be kept in order to fulfil it.

but, we Christians understand that we are to fulfil the righteous INTENT of the Law.

the letter kills . the Sprit gives life. against the fruits of the Sprit, there is no law. that how the righteous intent of the Law is fulfilled. by manifesting the Fruits of the Sprit.

what is not listed as one? Sabbath. not there.
 

Dan_473

Senior Member
Mar 11, 2014
7,792
839
113
They were made in HIS image and likeness. They could not help themselves.
I believe that when I said with God I meant it in the sense of in God's presence. what would lead a person to believe that Adam and Eve celebrated the Sabbath in God's presence?
 

Dan_473

Senior Member
Mar 11, 2014
7,792
839
113
HE Blessed and hallowed it for who and for what?
There was no need for commandments we were made in HIS image and likeness. They kept it because they could not help themselves. Just like they did not kill or any other thing that is of GOD.
I don't think it says for whom God blessed and set apart in the seventh day. I suppose one could say that since the Sabbath was made for man, he blessed it and set it apart for man.

But the question is did Adam and Eve know to refrain from physical labor because of how God treated the Sabbath?

this raises the issue of whether or not Adam and Eve knew that God was resting on the Sabbath. It also relates to what I was saying about God walking in the garden. If Adam and Eve imitated everything God did, then they would have been walking in the garden in the cool of the day also.

So I think to say that Adam and Eve knew that God had blessed and set apart the Sabbath and that he was resting on it is speculation, it is not stated.

And to assert that Adam and Eve copied what they saw God doing is also speculation, it is not stated.
 

Dan_473

Senior Member
Mar 11, 2014
7,792
839
113
It is recorded as of the Body of Christ. He kept it and spoke of the Sabbath. As a matter of fact Quite often in regards to not over regulating it. However Not once saying it was done away with as pertaining to the example that one experiences when connected to GOD. As a matter of fact he said not one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law or the prophets till all is fulfilled. All has not been fulfilled.

The writer of Hebrews emphatically and explicitly states.
Heb 4:9 Therefore a Sabbath-rest is left for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For* he who is entered into his rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.

As GOD did from HIS is a direct comparison to the ceasing from physical labor that HE did in Genesis upon ending HIS work of creation.
My sense is that you may be mistaken about how the word as is used in Hebrews 4:10. I'm not sure what you mean by direct comparison.

The same word is used in Acts 2:2, a sound like a rushing wind. To me, that sounds like just a standard comparison, not something exceptional.
 

tanakh

Senior Member
Dec 1, 2015
4,071
686
113
72
What does it mean for us today, to keep the Sabbath holy? It is still a commandment.....
According to Judaism there are 613 commandments in the Torah. Its strange that the sabbath is the only one people have a fixation about
 

Dan_473

Senior Member
Mar 11, 2014
7,792
839
113
My sense is that you may be mistaken about how the word as is used in Hebrews 4:10. I'm not sure what you mean by direct comparison.

The same word is used in Acts 2:2, a sound like a rushing wind. To me, that sounds like just a standard comparison, not something exceptional.
After further review I see that the word used in Hebrews 4:10 is a kind of strengthened form of as.

Is that what you're saying? A strengthened form?

it looks like also that particular word can mean Bears close relationship to what preceded it. So I would agree that our rest from our works in Salvation, that our Salvation is not a result of our works Bears a close resemblance, is of the same class as God's resting on that first Sabbath day.

To me it's clear from the context of Hebrews chapter 4 that it's not about ceasing from physical work, this talkin of rest. Because first it talks about if Joshua had given them rest, then it goes on to talk about be diligent to enter into that rest, and talks about how active God's word is and not falling short, which refers to Falling short in our diligence, I think.
 

lightbearer

Senior Member
Jun 17, 2017
2,014
454
83
53
HBG. Pa. USA
After further review I see that the word used in Hebrews 4:10 is a kind of strengthened form of as.

Is that what you're saying? A strengthened form?
From the Strongs....
G5618 ὥσπερ hosper (hoce'-per) adv.
1. just as, i.e. exactly like
Just as; in other words "just like".

Did GOD cease from working out HIS own Salvation or doing HIS own righteousness? No HE is our Salavation and righteousness. HE ceased from physical work on Day Seventh; the Sabbath. So we cease from our own physical work as HE did.
.

To me it's clear from the context of Hebrews chapter 4 that it's not about ceasing from physical work,.
Sure it is because it says those who enter into their rest (the Gospel) cease from their own works as GOD id from HIS. He ceased from physical work. So we; because we are now experiencing the Gospel we also on Day Seventh cease from our own work as GOD did. We cease from Physical work through HIM.


4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

For HE spake in a certain place (Mt. Sinai as one of the Commandments) of the Seventh Day on this wise and GOD did rest the Seventh Day from all HIS works. AND IN THIS AGAIN HE SPEAKS, if they shall enter into my rest (the GOSPEL). Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein (the rest to which is the GOSPEL) Those to whom it was first preached to entered not into the GOSPEL because of of unbelief (disobedience).

Again, he limiteth a certain day (a period), saying in David, To day, (a call to repentance today, right now; to accept the rest, the Gospel) after so long a time; as it is said, To day (right now) if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest ( the Gospel), then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

Verses 7 and 8 are a quote from Psalm 95 being used for a call to repentance in relation to what is being spoken in verse 6. Verses 9 and 10 pick up from verses 3-5 to hold the context of the Seventh Day being spoken of.

VERSE 5: IN THIS AGAIN (HE SPEAKS) If they shall enter into my rest. 9 There remaineth therefore a Sabbatismos; A Sabbath keeping to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel) , he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
 

mailmandan

Senior Member
Apr 7, 2014
18,551
6,334
113
53
if you bother to read Hebrews 4 in context, ( something you judeaizers flat refuse to do ), the writer was speaking of belief in Christ.

I mean, did Joshua give them the Sabbath ( v. 8 )?? do you " enter " the Sabbath ( v.6 )??

or, does it mean that Israel refused to enter the Promised land, ( rest ) because of unbelief?

yes, that is what it means. not keeping the jewish Sabbath.

in the same way Israel refused to believe in God the Father and enter the promised land, so will those who refuse to believe in the name of the Son will not enter the Kingdom.

and, keeping the Sabbath will not get you in, since command keeping does not save.
Amen! Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that SDA's would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else, in spite of the many references to Jews keeping the weekly Sabbath in the New Testament!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary on "Rest" proves the Sabbatarian argument wrong:

A2. KATAPAUSIS (2663), in classical Greek, denotes a causing to cease or putting to rest; in the N.T., rest, repose; it is used (a) of God's rest, Acts 7:49; Heb. 3:11, 18; 4:1, 3 (twice), R.V. (1st part), "that rest" (the A.V., "rest," is ambiguous), 5, 11; (b) in a general statement, applicable to God and man, 4:10.

A4. SABBATISMOS (4520), a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, 4:10, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into Divine rest, that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God.

B2. KATAPAUO (2664), akin to A, No. 2, used transitively, signifies to cause to cease, restrain, Acts 14:18; to cause to rest, Heb. 4:8; intransitively, to rest, Heb. 4:4, 10. See Cease, A, No. 6, Restrain.

We are not fooled by SDA propaganda. ;)
 

mailmandan

Senior Member
Apr 7, 2014
18,551
6,334
113
53
ahh, but, you think the letter of the Law must be kept in order to fulfil it.

but, we Christians understand that we are to fulfil the righteous INTENT of the Law.

the letter kills . the Sprit gives life. against the fruits of the Sprit, there is no law. that how the righteous intent of the Law is fulfilled. by manifesting the Fruits of the Sprit.

what is not listed as one? Sabbath. not there.
Amen! "He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenantnot of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.

God has made obsolete the old covenant to "put legally into place" the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3
 

mailmandan

Senior Member
Apr 7, 2014
18,551
6,334
113
53
I believe that when I said with God I meant it in the sense of in God's presence. what would lead a person to believe that Adam and Eve celebrated the Sabbath in God's presence?
The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

If every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath found in the Ten Commandments, never found in the book of Genesis? Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the Sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses? Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the Sabbath, but were instructed regarding: offerings: Genesis 4:3-4, Altars Genesis 8:20, Priests: Genesis 14:18, Tithes: Genesis 14:20, Circumcision: Genesis 17:10, Marriage: Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9. Why would God leave out the Sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses?

The Sabbath was not offered to all the nations. It was given only to the nation of Israel. Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses.

The Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16-17).

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).
 

mailmandan

Senior Member
Apr 7, 2014
18,551
6,334
113
53
we went through this a while back . the word katapausis can mean Sabbath, or just rest, or calming down, or it can be a metaphor for Heaven.

so, as usual, you have to be deceitful to push your Sabbath for salvation garbage.

the only thing that saves a person, the only way to enter the rest that your word can mean, is through faith and trust in Jesus.

not good works . not command keeping. those will not get you there.
What amazes me is that SDA's will go so far as to say that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. :eek:

That ludicrous doctrine is refuted here by a former SDA - http://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml (y)