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Sure there was.

GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.

So why was Abraham observing to keep Gods 10 commandments? He heard and obeyed Gods "voice"

DEUT. 27 [8] And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly. [9] And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed, and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the Lord thy God . [10] Thou shalt therefore OBEY THE VOICE of the Lord thy God, and DO HIS COMMANDMENTS and his statutes, which I command thee this day.

DEUT. 4 [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard THE VOICE of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

The voice...The 10 commandments. No doubt about it. Read the 4th
And then there is this
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

We were made on the Sixth Day and rested on the Seventh being in the image and likeness of GOD
 

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The early Christians should have seen this coming. They were actually givin many warnings about the bad guys and what they would do. The warnings are all around the new testament.

1 PETER 5 [8] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a ROARING LION, walketh about, SEEKING WHOM HE MAY DEVOUR:

ROARING LIONS! The bad guys

MATT.7 [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are RAVENING WOLVES.

FALSE PROPHETS! They are RAVENING WOLVES. “The many” will follow these false prophets and but a few will take the way of life.

ACTS 20 [29] For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous WOLVES ENTER IN among you, not sparing the flock.[30] Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES after them.

The GRIEVOUS WOLVES been hangin round from the beginning

EPH.4 [17] This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth WALK NOT AS OTHER GENTILES walk, in the VANITY of their mind,[18] Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:[19] Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all UNCLEANNESS with GREEDINESS.

All these warnings from the new testament are found in one scripture. “Day of the Lord” scriptures are not about ancient Israel. That day has not yet come. Day of the Lord scriptures do apply to christians (those who believe that Jesus came) and these scriptures will come to pass. To see what these ROARING LIONS and RAVENOUS WOLVES have done, simply read and believe the Word.

EZEK.22 [23] And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,[24] Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation.[25] There is A CONSPIRACY OF HER PROPHETS in the midst thereof, like a ROARING LION ravening the prey; THEY HAVE DEVOURED SOULS; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.[26] HER PRIESTS HAVE VIOLATED MY LAW, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the UNCLEAN AND THE CLEAN, and HAVE HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS, and I am profaned among them.[27] Her princes in the midst thereof are like WOLVES RAVENING THE PREY, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get DISHONEST GAIN.[28] And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, SEEING VANITY, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken

A conspiracy of the prophets. HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS! They meant to do it and they sure did pull it off despite the warnings. Up until the printing press, bibles were pretty scarce but even if someone discovered the Ezek.22 scripture Im sure the powers that be would have silenced that someone. So how did these bad guys pull this off?
 

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“The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16-17).
HEBREWS 4 [9] THERE REMAINETH THEREFORE A REST to the people of God.[10] For HE THAT IS ENTERED INTO HIS REST, he also hath ceased from his own works, AS GOD DID FROM HIS. [11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

And this new covenant scripture tells us {the people of God} that we are to enter this rest {the sabbath} as God did.
 

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HEBREWS 4 [9] THERE REMAINETH THEREFORE A REST to the people of God.[10] For HE THAT IS ENTERED INTO HIS REST, he also hath ceased from his own works, AS GOD DID FROM HIS. [11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

And this new covenant scripture tells us {the people of God} that we are to enter this rest {the sabbath} as God did.
^ except, Hebrews 3 points us toward not missing the rest of the grace of Jesus , as Israel missed the rest of the Promised land by unbelief.

so, not referring to the Sabbath in chapter 4.

another Hebrew roots fail....
 

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My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
(John 5:17)
 

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Colossians 2:14-17
There are many who try to blend these two systems, using the texts that speak of the ceremonial law to prove that the moral law has been abolished; but this is a perversion of the Scriptures. The distinction between the two systems is broad and clear. The ceremonial system was made up of symbols pointing to Christ, to His sacrifice and His priesthood. This ritual law, with its sacrifices and ordinances, was to be performed by the Hebrews until type met antitype in the death of Christ, the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world. Then all the sacrificial offerings were to cease.
lol that's definitely not Colossians 2:14-17

this is a direct quote of E.G. White's book "Patriarchs and Prophets"
p. 199 paragraph 3


i.e. SDA propaganda disguised as original content.
please avoid plagiarism; if you quote someone else's work, give a citation. thanks :)
 

posthuman

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this is Colossians 2:14-17

. . . having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; He has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ!

don't let the people in this thread judge you over sabbaths, over food, over feasts or new moons.
those things were shadows of things which were not yet come.
the substance has now come: it is Christ
just as we should not stand for anyone passing judgement on us over such things, neither should we by any wise judge anyone else over them, nor stand idly by while they think to judge others by shadows.
 

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Colossians 2:14-17
There are many who try to blend these two systems, using the texts that speak of the ceremonial law to prove that the moral law has been abolished; but this is a perversion of the Scriptures. The distinction between the two systems is broad and clear. The ceremonial system was made up of symbols pointing to Christ, to His sacrifice and His priesthood. This ritual law, with its sacrifices and ordinances, was to be performed by the Hebrews until type met antitype in the death of Christ, the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world. Then all the sacrificial offerings were to cease.
even if one were to concede to Mme White that there is indeed a 'broad & clear distinction' in the Law breaking it into 2 shattered pieces of what was once ubiquitously given & declared as one law, what Colossians 2:14-17 does is place the sabbaths squarely in the 'ceremonial/ritual' category, not the moral.
 

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My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
(John 5:17)
PSALM 119 [126] IT IS TIME FOR THEE, LORD, TO WORK: for they have MADE VOID THY LAW. [127] THEREFORE I LOVE THY COMMANDMENTS above gold; yea, above fine gold. [128] Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way

ROMANS 9 [28] For HE WILL FINISH THE WORK, and cut it short in righteousness: because A SHORT WORK will the Lord make upon the earth.

Itll be quick
 

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PSALM 119 [126] IT IS TIME FOR THEE, LORD, TO WORK: for they have MADE VOID THY LAW. [127] THEREFORE I LOVE THY COMMANDMENTS above gold; yea, above fine gold. [128] Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way

My eyes fail from seeking Your Salvation
and Your righteous word.
Deal with Your servant according to Your mercy,
and teach me Your statutes.
I am Your servant;
give me understanding,
that I may know Your testimonies.
(Psalm 119:123-125)

which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
(Colossians 2:17)
 

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Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body (or the substance) is of Christ. (Col 2:16-17 KJV)

Jewish ritual was a shadow of what was to come. What was the shadow that was coming? The one whose shadow was about to burst upon them in real life was the Lord Jesus Christ. There was no need to continue with a shadow when they had seen, heard, and witnessed the very figure behind the shadow. Why should those who had tasted of the goodness of the “Lord of the Sabbath” come under the diktat of those wicked, and godless people who had vilified and crucified Him? They did as Jesus commanded. They remembered his broken body, and the blood shed for them. They celebrated his resurrection on the day of his resurrection. The shadow had become visible, the veil rent in two and the New Covenant a reality. Praise the Lord.
 

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HEBREWS 4 [9] THERE REMAINETH THEREFORE A REST to the people of God.[10] For HE THAT IS ENTERED INTO HIS REST, he also hath ceased from his own works, AS GOD DID FROM HIS. [11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

And this new covenant scripture tells us {the people of God} that we are to enter this rest {the sabbath} as God did.
This “sabbatismos” rest in Hebrews 4:9 is the rest that believers have in Christ in contrast to keeping the weekly Sabbath day under the law.
 

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This “sabbatismos” rest in Hebrews 4:9 is the rest that believers have in Christ in contrast to keeping the weekly Sabbath day under the law.
The work of creation was done and Christ rested from that work on the seventh day. Now the work of salvation was completed and the New Covenant began the following day, on resurrection Sunday.
 

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don't let the people in this thread judge you over sabbaths, over food, over feasts or new moons.
those things were shadows of things which were not yet come.
the substance has now come: it is Christ
Couldnt even recognize what you called Col.2{14 - 17}

You claim that the sabbath was the shadow of Christ. But what do the scriptures say

COL.2 [14] BLOTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[17] WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME; but the body is of Christ.

The handwriting of ORDINANCES {meat and drink offerings} has been blotted out. They were the shadow

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

EZEKIEL 46 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

Meat offering by ordinance. There ya go. Hebrews 9 was ofcourse correct

HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings). Hebrews 10{1} says that plain and clear. The Word does not say the sabbath was the shadow of Christ which really makes no sence at all

NUMBERS 19 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

Before Christ the red heifers lived their lives in fear and trembling, thinking they might be next meat offering. No worries no more.

JOHN 6 [55] For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed.

We are no longer under the law concerning the meat and drink offerings{the shadow}. Jesus FULFILLED that portion of the law. Its all grace now! Jesus Himself said “For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed”.
 

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And then there is this
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
We were made on the Sixth Day and rested on the Seventh being in the image and likeness of GOD
We made nothing.
 

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As we see around that in United States, church and states are uniting. And we know the results of when church and state come together. Protestant America has reach over to grasp the hand of the papacy.

It has happened that when church and state unites that later the church will dominate the state, and if you do not follow the same ideology of that particular church then you will be persecuted. The Roman church has ruled the world before and what was the result millions was martyred for their faith during what was known as the dark ages. And if this has happened in the past will it not happen again.

And here is where the sunday law comes in, where the Pope is asking for one day of rest in week for the common good of all and that will be 1st of the week (Sunday). The first day of the week was not day sanctified by God and the religious world regard it as holy day. If you had read article, I posted the catholics quotes old testament scriptures and using scriptures referring to sabbath as authority for sunday sacredness. All churches have the same explanation for sunday observations even the catholics as a result of the resurrection on the first day of the week.

And futher in article making mention in past century, that the Holy Mother appeared in France to individuals where she was weeping because the people were desecrating the holy sunday and that her son's arm is heavy and strong and she can no longer withhold it. She is accrediting the wars in France, World war 1 and 2 as result of people breaking the sacredness of sunday.

And same thing happen again, where we will have lots of natural disasters as reffered to in Matthew 24, yet it will said because of the sabbathkeepers that will not observe sunday that God is pouring out His wrath on the earth.

And because of that, the people of God will be first fined and thereafter more severe penalties like imprisonment and ultimately death penalty.

May God give us grace, we are all in need of it. We are lifting up the trumpet to sound the alarm and the most solemn warning as found in Revelation 14:6-12.