SALVATION BASED ON FAITH

[PeterJens]

So you believe God needs you and your service? (you said mutual)

Does a father need the love of a child, or is it just part of love itself?

The Lord died for us, He gave all He could as our King, our friend and Saviour.
So yes He needs that response, if it is possible, and He desires to help, but
It does not over ride everything, it is perfectly in balance with justice, and
Holiness.

For us need normally is over riding, so is hard to see in the Lord, but the cross
shows us our Lord amen, what a saviour.

The prodigal son returns, over flowing joy and acceptance.

 

[Johnny_B]

"Grace" is God's part and "faith" is ours. Choosing to place our faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is a condition because without faith we will not be saved.

Amen!!!

Ephesians 1:13 "In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit," This verse is interesting, insight of "He made us alive together with Christ", we are in Christ because we are made alive with Him, I noticed it says, MADE us alive to as Peter puts it CAUSES us to be born again.

Back to 1:13 it says "In Him you also" so when we were already in Christ or made alive/born again, hear the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation, and believed in Him. Like mailman said grace is God's part making us alive by grace, we heard and believe in Him, our faith, we are sealed with the Spirit.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No, I don't admit I WILL still struggle.

ok sis, please do not sit there and tell me you still sin, but you do not struggle, those are contradictory, if you stil sin, you still struggle, ceasing to struggle would cause us to never sin. Saying you still sin, but do not struggle is like to me excusing your sin,

but if you are asking about my spiritual state at present, I don't mind answering that. I am struggling some currently, wavering some, down to my last 17.00. I've sold some things on ebay but they hold funds for the first 21 days after a sale. I'm applying for food stamps next week. They keep sending me a notice that they think I will qualify for help. I have no idea how they found me and determined that because I've never asked for help. But some help would be nice. My mother and aunt have been trying to get me to apply for disability (hands have no cartilage left at all - autoimmune thing where my body thought there was a threat from my cartilage and so began eating it! Freaky, huh?) Anyway, it apparently takes about 2 years to get approved for disability, but the lawyer doesn't charge anything unless you get a settlement. The settlement comes because if/when you do get approved, they start it from your very first appeal to them, not from when they approve you. So I have had some wavering, but oddly, the worse my situation has slowly become, the better my spiritual state has become. He has answered a lot of my prayers regarding my wavering and mistrust.

But I cannot state that I WILL still struggle always with that wavering. He has answered my prayers with His strength so far, why doubt Him or say, well, yes, He has improved my spiritual state some but He probably won't make me even stronger in it? To me, that is the opposite of trust and would actually be working against myself.

I am confused, you will not admit you still struggle, but then you admit you still struggle

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

ok sis, please do not sit there and tell me you still sin, but you do not struggle, those are contradictory, if you stil sin, you still struggle, ceasing to struggle would cause us to never sin. Saying you still sin, but do not struggle is like to me excusing your sin,



I am confused, you will not admit you still struggle, but then you admit you still struggle

No. What I mean is that I will not aver that I will always have unbelief and mistrust and wavering while here on earth. I don't know that for sure and I refuse to teach it to others as a fact. We have a great God. He answers prayer. I don't understand the thought that while I am in this body I will just always be plagued by unbelief and mistrust. He answers prayer! If we have lack and we ask in Jesus' name, we will receive what we ask for if we pray according to Gods' will. So to teach others that they can never trust fully all He has said while on earth is something I refuse to teach as truth. It seems to me to go against what my Lord said. Why not race to win and to reach to apprehend what you have been apprehended for?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No. What I mean is that I will not aver that I will always have unbelief and mistrust and wavering while here on earth.

So you will one day become sinless? What if you do not? because that is what it would take for you to completely be free from unbelief and mistrust.

I don't know that for sure and I refuse to teach it to others as a fact. We have a great God. He answers prayer. I don't understand the thought that while I am in this body I will just always be plagued by unbelief and mistrust. He answers prayer! If we have lack and we ask in Jesus' name, we will receive what we ask for if we pray according to Gods' will. So to teach others that they can never trust fully all He has said while on earth is something I refuse to teach as truth. It seems to me to go against what my Lord said. Why not race to win and to reach to apprehend what you have been apprehended for?

You act as if unbelief in certain areas of our life is to be interpreted that we have no faith, are unbelieving, and lack any trust at all.

I so wish you would try to understand what I am saying..

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

So you will one day become sinless? What if you do not? because that is what it would take for you to completely be free from unbelief and mistrust.


You act as if unbelief in certain areas of our life is to be interpreted that we have no faith, are unbelieving, and lack any trust at all.

I so wish you would try to understand what I am saying..

No. I don't interpret it to be that we don't trust anything He said. I take it to mean we pick and choose what to believe based on if it is pleasant to our ears or not. And so living forever in a new body is pleasant to my ears. Having to not store treasure on earth is unpleasant to my ears and goes against the wisdom of the world and requires struggle in prayer so instead of listening to it and doing it, I go with the world.

I would more say it makes me a liar than to say I don't believe anything at all that He said.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No. I don't interpret it to be that we don't trust anything He said. I take it to mean we pick and choose what to believe based on if it is pleasant to our ears or not. And so living forever in a new body is pleasant to my ears. Having to not store treasure on earth is unpleasant to my ears and goes against the wisdom of the world and requires struggle in prayer so instead of listening to it and doing it, I go with the world.

I would more say it makes me a liar than to say I don't believe anything at all that He said.

does a baby trust everything their parents say? How about a small child? A pre-teen? A teen? How about a young adult?

I do not know about you, But I di dnot realise until I was in my late 20s alot of things my parents tried to show me was true..

Not because I CHOSE what to trust and what not to trust.

It is called growth. Or in spiritual terms (as it relates to God) Spiritual growth, or sanctification or maturity.

There is a reason the Corinthian church were still babes..

 

[truthhurts]

You are human, You have the flesh,, To say you will never struggle with finances or worry about things would be a sin itself.

Jesus said we should not worry about today or tomorrow...here you are saying, its a SIN if say we don't struggle or worry about finances or material things...time for you to put down the skim milk bottle an come to full age...and stop pooping and crying over others that have grown up spiritually past you...

I have come to the conclusion that you are actually down right angry at people who have spiritually matured past your own level of faith....instead of growing up spiritually you want to stay carnal minded in the areas you have not surrendered yet....and try to put up the excuses that you cannot grow spiritually because if you do, it will be in your own power and not of God.....you have hurt and offense and anger over anyone that has grown spiritually past you and the only way you have been taught to reconcile those people are that they are works based salvation heretics and self righteous pharisees....


The Bible clearly teaches that a carnal mind of any kind or amount is an enemy of God....there is no such thing as a carnal Christian....

 

[Grace777x70]

It looks like there is an aspect of Christians being carnal.

1 Corinthians 3:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

It certainly is not the way of walking by the spirit for life in this world in whatever form it comes in.

 

[truthhurts]

It looks like there is an aspect of Christians being carnal.

1 Corinthians 3:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

It certainly is not the way of walking by the spirit for life in this world in whatever form it comes in.

I think without intending to....you made my point with this Scripture...

Romans 8 is pretty clear there is not walking in Spirit, Waking in the Flesh or being both...

 

[Grace777x70]

I think without intending to....you made my point with this Scripture...

Romans 8 is pretty clear there is not walking in Spirit, Waking in the Flesh or being both...

The scripture shows that there are carnal Christians. There is a difference between being "in the flesh" and "walking by the flesh." There is a difference between "being in the spirit" and "walking by the spirit."

Being a carnal Christian can take many forms.

Through these verses in 1 Cor. 3:3-4 we can see that spiritual people are the opposite of carnal people. Carnal people are living their lives (whether good or bad) through their own ability (Romans 8:7). Thus, spiritual people would be the ones who are depending on God’s ability instead of their own.

Walking by or according to the flesh is never a good thing but Christians do it all the time. That's why we preach and teach the grace and love of God in Christ so that they can have our minds renewed to have their faith and hope in Christ alone and not in themselves. To live by His life that is in us.