Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[VCO]

order of operations, my dear.

salvation results in good works, because the Holy Spirit produces fruit from those in which He dwells.

A. You see, mud happens when it rains. Does the mud cause the rain?
cause and effect
B. You see, good work happens when you're saved. Does the good work cause the salvation?

salvation brings good works, not good works bringing salvation.

That is a BIG AMEN!

 

[Cassian]

That is a BIG AMEN!

I suppose it works for your theory, but not for scripture.

In scripture it is the faith which justifies one, then we are saved through that faith, and salvation is inherited as the result of our faith, that living faith, not a dead faith.

 

[LT]

I suppose it works for your theory, but not for scripture.

In scripture it is the faith which justifies one, then we are saved through that faith, and salvation is inherited as the result of our faith, that living faith, not a dead faith.

of course! we agree!
Living faith produces good works. Living faith is not mortal, because this mortal has put on immortality!!
Living faith cannot die..

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Do you know and understand just what Christ did for US? Be very specific?

Hi Cassian
If you would be so kind,what are your thoughts on the above statement?

 

[notuptome]

I suppose it works for your theory, but not for scripture.

In scripture it is the faith which justifies one, then we are saved through that faith, and salvation is inherited as the result of our faith, that living faith, not a dead faith.

Don't blame scripture for your hardness of heart and unwillingness to receive that which God offers to you. Christ paid a price greater than you can imagine that He might redeem you for Himself. Grace cannot be deserved and grace cannot be earned. Grace can only be received as the gift God made it.

For the cause of Christ
Rogeer

 

[Jabberjaw]

order of operations, my dear.

salvation results in good works, because the Holy Spirit produces fruit from those in which He dwells.

A. You see, mud happens when it rains. Does the mud cause the rain?
cause and effect
B. You see, good work happens when you're saved. Does the good work cause the salvation?

salvation brings good works, not good works bringing salvation.

Actually yes, mud and earth give up water, it evaporates until the sky is saturated causing rain, so like water of the earth and rain in the clouds work together as God planned, so to dose God and Man work together in His covenant (agreement), Jesus did the work man could not do, now all that is left is to obey him, we must do our part.

 

[notuptome]

Actually yes, mud and earth give up water, it evaporates until the sky is saturated causing rain, so like water of the earth and rain in the clouds work together as God planned, so to dose God and Man work together in His covenant (agreement), Jesus did the work man could not do, now all that is left is to obey him, we must do our part.

Jesus said it is finished. So all the work is done. Our part is to accept what Christ has done. I guess even that is too difficult for some.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Cassian]

of course! we agree!
Living faith produces good works. Living faith is not mortal, because this mortal has put on immortality!!
Living faith cannot die..

Which has nothing to do with the topic. All men, every single human being will be raised to immortality and incorruptibility. It has nothing to do with faith.

 

[Cassian]

Don't blame scripture for your hardness of heart and unwillingness to receive that which God offers to you. Christ paid a price greater than you can imagine that He might redeem you for Himself. Grace cannot be deserved and grace cannot be earned. Grace can only be received as the gift God made it.

For the cause of Christ
Rogeer

Which directly has nothing to do with the topic either. All men, in fact the entire world was redeemed by Christ. Col 1:20. We are not speaking about what Christ did for us, but our response to Christ and what He did.
This is why I asked the question regarding the Gift of Salvation. All men were given the Gift of salvation.

 

[Cassian]

Jesus said it is finished. So all the work is done. Our part is to accept what Christ has done. I guess even that is too difficult for some.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

What are you accepting? What work was done by Christ that you are accepting? Be specific.

 

[Cassian]

Hi Cassian
If you would be so kind,what are your thoughts on the above statement?

I am sure I will get an opportunity to explain, but I would like some of the other posters to first answer this question.
This phrase, "that Christ did it all, I don't need to do anything" leaves a lot of open questions.

 

[LT]

Actually yes, mud and earth give up water, it evaporates until the sky is saturated causing rain, so like water of the earth and rain in the clouds work together as God planned, so to dose God and Man work together in His covenant (agreement), Jesus did the work man could not do, now all that is left is to obey him, we must do our part.

you are witty, but not spiritual.

I don't like to say things like that, but every time i see you debating, it is always against the spiritual, and in favor of the physical.

 

[LT]

Which has nothing to do with the topic. All men, every single human being will be raised to immortality and incorruptibility. It has nothing to do with faith.

... that is not Biblical. Be more careful when posting please.

Only those born of spirit will be raised incorruptible.


1st Cor. 15

 

[Sirk]

Paul said he would show his faith by what he does. A works doctrine is unbiblical, dangerous and is pharisaical. There is NOTHING that us insignificant little specks of cosmic doodoo can do to facilitate any semblance of righteousness AT ALL. Our BEST righteousness is as filthy rags....which by the way is referring literally to the menstrual clothe.

However, this is not to say that we cannot strive for personal holiness...... and that is a SYMPTOM of a person brought into right relationship with God thru the blood of Christ.

 

[LT]

Paul said he would show his faith by what he does. A works doctrine is unbiblical, dangerous and is pharisaical. There is NOTHING that us insignificant little specks of cosmic doodoo can do to facilitate any semblance of righteousness AT ALL. Our BEST righteousness is as filthy rags....which by the way is referring literally to the menstrual clothe.

yes. our works are as good as a used tampon

only the true righteousness, the righteousness of Christ, has ever been found satisfactory.
It is by faith in Him, and His righteousness, that salvation is obtained.

 

[homwardbound]

It is not of this Earth, but it starts here on earth, with Christ taking the Throne in our hearts when we receive Him as LORD. PLUS it concludes here on earth with Jesus Christ taking HIS rightful place on the Throne of David, in Jerusalem for 1000 years.

Cool answer, yes we, the believers are born again, by God

[h=3]Romans 8:9-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.



[h=3]Romans 8:12-17[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. [SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: [SUP]17 [/SUP]and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

 

[homwardbound]

Which directly has nothing to do with the topic either. All men, in fact the entire world was redeemed by Christ. Col 1:20. We are not speaking about what Christ did for us, but our response to Christ and what He did.
This is why I asked the question regarding the Gift of Salvation. All men were given the Gift of salvation.

Response is as King David said:
Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

Which those Born again here right now see the kingdom: Without they don't
John 3
There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: the same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be bornagain, he cannot see the kingdom of God. ...

 

[homwardbound]

I suppose it works for your theory, but not for scripture.

In scripture it is the faith which justifies one, then we are saved through that faith, and salvation is inherited as the result of our faith, that living faith, not a dead faith.

That is correct, no works in this entering into, none, and then we do as led, the same as Christ was led,
You so me your Faith produced by your works
And I show my works produced by the Faith given me in Christ Jesus
Which of those are you adhering to?

 

[homwardbound]

What are you accepting? What work was done by Christ that you are accepting? Be specific.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, Itisfinished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
and not be called after the order of Aaron? and since he came back to life


Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?


The law of Faith in the agreement of Faith in \Abraham, we now have even further glory, Father living in and through, by way of the Holy Spirit of truth, Father's way, we learn to do nothing of ourselves, and wait for God's lead and thus do as God's willingly

 

[homwardbound]

Paul said he would show his faith by what he does. A works doctrine is unbiblical, dangerous and is pharisaical. There is NOTHING that us insignificant little specks of cosmic doodoo can do to facilitate any semblance of righteousness AT ALL. Our BEST righteousness is as filthy rags....which by the way is referring literally to the menstrual clothe.

However, this is not to say that we cannot strive for personal holiness...... and that is a SYMPTOM of a person brought into right relationship with God thru the blood of Christ.

Along with the deception of unredeemed flesh that has been taught from birth to do good to get good and religion was born to use God to get what one wants that is not good for them even though it appears to be good for them
And whine and complain if they do not get what they want, thinking they are good enough and saying to the crowd look at me I am Spiritual

Empty, oneself to Father by Christ and be conformable to Christ's death in the flesh at the cross see it as your death, in order, to maybe see:

[h=3]Philippians 3:11-12[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.