Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[homwardbound]

Hey man. Stop and think about that one for second. "Pharisee" gets thrown around too much, from both sides.

At this moment, your the one calling someone else a pharisee, based on his interpretation of scripture.

So if he interpreted the same as you do, then he would not be a pharisee?

Doesn't that sound Pharisaical to say?

THe Pharisees thought they that hey had the true interpretation of God's word, concerning all aspects.

They would literally bind this on people as they had the power to do so.

We can only ALL come to this form and state what we believe. I can say "you should" but I cannot bind what i believe on you, as you can say no i dont believe that and go on practicing your interpretation and vice versa.

I know people can say, well when your trying to force your views on here..etc.
This is a Bible discussion form, both sides are forcing their views.
BOTH are saying the opposing is false, and BOTH are accusing the opposing as being in sin for what they believe.

So if I think everyone who does not agree with the way I understand scripture is a Pharisee (even if they believe we must obey) then my mindset is already Pharisaical in itself.

I just was thinking about that, I have called people that to. Just saying

Awesome and God had to tell you this truth you posted, for that attitude does overtake us all in wanting to be heard form our viewpoints, when we all might just be believers in truth and each of us need sharpening as a pencil does from time to time.Thanks for the talk here to hear each other and take all to God to discern and not accuse each other, rather accept each other as we are accepted.

[h=3]Ephesians 1:6[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]6 [/SUP]to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

If one does beleive, then one is accepted in who? And since you are accepted is there a need to be accepted by any other? And when there is no need for this anymore, do we think we can thus listen? And not accuse?

 

[homwardbound]

According to you Paul and Timothy not saved because clearly they are working.
2 Corinthians 6:1

King James Version (KJV)


6 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.



2 Corinthians 6

New International Version (NIV)
6 As God’s co-workers[SUP](A)[/SUP] we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain.

Here they are looking for acceptance trying to please God


2 Cor
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

[SUP]7 [/SUP](For we walk by faith, not by sight

[SUP]8 [/SUP]We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

[SUP]9[/SUP]Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2 Cor [SUP]6 [/SUP]Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For we live by faith, not by sight.[SUP](H)[/SUP] [SUP]8 [/SUP]We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.[SUP](I)[/SUP] [SUP]9 [/SUP]So we make it our goal to please him,[SUP](J)[/SUP] whether we are at home in the body or away from it. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us[SUP](K)[/SUP] for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.


Expect nothing if you have done nothing

For I am nothing, and the works these did were a response in God's love recieved to them from God through Son Christ. Do you see this:
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Who lives, you or God through you? If it is God as this states it is, then it is not you that do the works is it? And since it is God that does them through you, who do you give the credit to? And then at Judgement do you think God might give credit to you walking by Faith as son did?
You decide what pleases Father your works or God's through you?

 

[homwardbound]

does posting daily the same thing over and over in a thread like this count as "works" ?

What is works? There are two types, one self, for self, and the other in response to God's Mercy and love for us
the reason for one's work is motive, and that will be shown soon, and not to condemn one another to help one another in Spirit and truth, which today is the only way Father is worshiped Spirit and truth, no flesh truly is involved but as a vessel to be used by God to speak through you as in the day of Pentecost.

 

[homwardbound]

The Gospel of John says that all who believe have eternal life. Paul says in Phil. that when we die we will be absent from the body, present with the Lord. There is an aspect of heaven and eternal life which all who believe will possess and have right now. I have eternal life.

But in the Last Supper discourse in the Gospel of John, Jesus also says that eternal life is knowing God and Jesus, whom He has sent. He speaks of the quality of eternal life that He showed His disciples how to live, disciples who were obedient to Him and followed Him. There is an aspect to this quality of eternal life, an intimate relationship with God, which comes by drawing closer to Him, eschewing sin, developing one's love for God. This is also by faith in Christ, but it is a growing faith, we submit to God's sovereign control over every aspect of our life, all our money, our bodies, our sexual desires, our need to have identity and independence, our need for satisfaction and fulfillment. All our needs can be met and found and fulfilled in the Triune God. This is life eternal.

Thank you and just a growing in grace, being peeled like an onion, hurts at first, yet worth it afterwards. only if god does this by our asking, not by our doing, we find we can't and if we can, we get a little proud and boastful yes?

G-od
R-aises
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C-hild
E-teranlly

 

[homwardbound]

What work did you do to get saved?

Technically; believed and stand fast in belief, when I heard the call from God in the power of the Holy Spirit of truth.
And then my works in trying to be good were over, why? For god made me one with God in God to walk as he walked with the same Holy Spirit that led Christ to do so.
I believe and my faith has healed me, you as well Brother and all who beleive this is no brag, just fact

 

[homwardbound]

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Now was this not for us all that believe to be justified in what? Spirit of God or flesh?

 

[know1]

Technically; believed and stand fast in belief, when I heard the call from God in the power of the Holy Spirit of truth.
And then my works in trying to be good were over, why? For god made me one with God in God to walk as he walked with the same Holy Spirit that led Christ to do so.
I believe and my faith has healed me, you as well Brother and all who beleive this is no brag, just fact

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Then we can do the above, as Jesus commissioned His disciples to do, for we have the same Spirit and this is how Jesus walked.
What were you healed of sir?

 

[feedm3]

I have always been taught that Pharisees think their works and obedience are earning their Salvation. After researching the term Pharisee and it's origin, it becomes obvious that it was more than that. It involved a political movement, as a well as adding to what GOD said in His Word. So in that respect, I stand corrected and should not have labeled the "MUST KEEP GOD'S COMMANDS TO BECOME SAVED" false doctrine as modern day Pharisees.

Your right, the they did think the were earning salvation etc. Yet too many people here have cited Luke 17:10, and Heb 5:9 saying we do not believe anything like this.

It's like me saying YOU believe we can all indulge in as much sin as we want and be saved. I dont say this, because I dont know your heart, neither do you know mine or anyone else.

So when you accuse people of believing we earn salvation, are you saying we do dont humbly obey our Lord based on what he told us in Luke 17:10, have you read it before?

Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Are you saying we all ignore this verse, and believe by our obedience we deserve salvation?

If no: then why are you saying we are trying to earn anything?
If yes: then what gives you God like powers to know our motives for obeying God?

Anyone who obeys in the same attitude stated here, is not earning anything, because we understand we can never deserve salvation, that is why it's grace.

So by you telling others this is not what they believe, and they believe they earn (deserve) salvation by works, your telling someone what ONLY their heart knows and the Lord. Not you.

Therefore you're making yourself the legalistic Pharisee, and you cant even see it. You cannot tell someone where their heart is in their obedience to God.

I tried to be more gentle in my last response, and even included myself of being guilty of this, and you still come with it's false doctrine and we're earning salvation, making you act as if you can know a man's heart and motives.

 

[VCO]

The Gospel of John says that all who believe have eternal life. Paul says in Phil. that when we die we will be absent from the body, present with the Lord. There is an aspect of heaven and eternal life which all who believe will possess and have right now. I have eternal life.

But in the Last Supper discourse in the Gospel of John, Jesus also says that eternal life is knowing God and Jesus, whom He has sent. He speaks of the quality of eternal life that He showed His disciples how to live, disciples who were obedient to Him and followed Him. There is an aspect to this quality of eternal life, an intimate relationship with God, which comes by drawing closer to Him, eschewing sin, developing one's love for God. This is also by faith in Christ, but it is a growing faith, we submit to God's sovereign control over every aspect of our life, all our money, our bodies, our sexual desires, our need to have identity and independence, our need for satisfaction and fulfillment. All our needs can be met and found and fulfilled in the Triune God. This is life eternal.

IF YOU WORK FOR ANY PART OF YOUR SALVATION, IT CEASES TO BE A FREE GIFT.

Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.

Therefore, it is NOT FOR Salvation that we are to Work.

It is BECAUSE WE LOVE HIM THAT WE WORK.

Those Works done PURELY out of LOVE will be be rewarded,
but not if the MOTIVE for doing them is not LOVE FOR GOD.

What will be the heavenly rewards? HE does not specifically tell us.

He does however NAME the crowns we can win.

If we were to speculate, what the rewards might be;
I would guess it will be some of the most valuable things in heaven.
Perhaps, extra one on one time with the LORD, or
perhaps our Position in heaven, such as teacher of the
Children of Israel born in the Kingdom;
which is better than washing dishes.
Perhaps our choice of dwelling places,
though I would be happy with
a shack out back on the Crystal River.

We will find out when we get there.

 

[VCO]

Your right, the they did think the were earning salvation etc. Yet too many people here have cited Luke 17:10, and Heb 5:9 saying we do not believe anything like this.

It's like me saying YOU believe we can all indulge in as much sin as we want and be saved. I dont say this, because I dont know your heart, neither do you know mine or anyone else.

So when you accuse people of believing we earn salvation, are you saying we do dont humbly obey our Lord based on what he told us in Luke 17:10, have you read it before?

Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Are you saying we all ignore this verse, and believe by our obedience we deserve salvation?

If no: then why are you saying we are trying to earn anything?
If yes: then what gives you God like powers to know our motives for obeying God?

Anyone who obeys in the same attitude stated here, is not earning anything, because we understand we can never deserve salvation, that is why it's grace.

So by you telling others this is not what they believe, and they believe they earn (deserve) salvation by works, your telling someone what ONLY their heart knows and the Lord. Not you.

Therefore you're making yourself the legalistic Pharisee, and you cant even see it. You cannot tell someone where their heart is in their obedience to God.

I tried to be more gentle in my last response, and even included myself of being guilty of this, and you still come with it's false doctrine and we're earning salvation, making you act as if you can know a man's heart and motives.

Do you know, how rarely you mention your obedience is motivated by your LOVE for GOD?

When you post defending those who believe "Obedience is linked to Salvation", AND "Must Keep His Commandments"; without ever mentioning that your Motive for those actions is LOVE for GOD; it is very easy to come to the conclusion that you believe you are earning part of your Salvation, as others on this thread have indicated. If you made it a habit to always mention, "Because I LOVE HIM."; behind obedience statements; we would not come to the wrong conclusion.

I apologize, especially because I know I have been falsely accused several times of believing I do not have to obey HIM, because I believe that I am absolutely already SAVED by HIS GRACE.

So it appears that you and I are not that far apart theologically.

 

[Cassian]

For I am nothing, and the works these did were a response in God's love recieved to them from God through Son Christ. Do you see this:
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Who lives, you or God through you? If it is God as this states it is, then it is not you that do the works is it? And since it is God that does them through you, who do you give the credit to? And then at Judgement do you think God might give credit to you walking by Faith as son did?
You decide what pleases Father your works or God's through you?

Why do you feel the need to change the meaning of the phrase. No where in this citation does it ever say that God is doing any work. Not one work.
God is going to hold YOU accountable. He definitely is NOT going to ask you if you want credit. He will ask what you did with all those gifts including the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit works in us, but not through us. You still have a free will and you can obey Satan just as well as obey Christ. That is why the onus is always on YOU, not God or the Holy Spirit.

 

[Cassian]

Do you know, how rarely you mention your obedience is motivated by your LOVE for GOD?

When you post defending those who believe "Obedience is linked to Salvation", AND "Must Keep His Commandments"; without ever mentioning that your Motive for those actions is LOVE for GOD; it is very easy to come to the conclusion that you believe you are earning part of your Salvation, as others on this thread have indicated. If you made it a habit to always mention, "Because I LOVE HIM."; behind obedience statements; we would not come to the wrong conclusion.

I apologize, especially because I know I have been falsely accused several times of believing I do not have to obey HIM, because I believe that I am absolutely already SAVED by HIS GRACE.

So it appears that you and I are not that far apart theologically.

Others have stated this before as well. But none of these discussions is actually about what one believes. It is about what scripture means.
The reason for that is that your personal experience does not dictate what scripture means or determines doctrine.
This is why I have also heard some say, well I don't think I will eve fall away. That may well be true for that person, but unfortunately your experience does not dictate that of others. Unfortunately more believers have probably fallen from grace than will recieve the promise at the end.

 

[BradC]

Others have stated this before as well. But none of these discussions is actually about what one believes. It is about what scripture means.
The reason for that is that your personal experience does not dictate what scripture means or determines doctrine.
This is why I have also heard some say, well I don't think I will eve fall away. That may well be true for that person, but unfortunately your experience does not dictate that of others. Unfortunately more believers have probably fallen from grace than will recieve the promise at the end.

Apostasy and departing from the faith is not what you think it is and you do not have a good understanding about the promises of God that every believer has been given no matter what level of growth or maturity they have. If you look at all those men and women of faith and what took place in their lives and you come to (Heb 11:29) and find out that they never received the promise. Why was Rahab in this chapter mentioned as Rahab the harlot who never perished with those who believed not? There is no other Rahab specifically mentioned in scripture having to do with a person so the reference to her as 'harlot' was not made to identify her separate from other Rahabs. You will not find a reference to her without the tag or label 'harlot' attached to her name. I wonder why the Holy Spirit made it so in the scriptures both in the Old and New testaments? You have a Bible, read what it says about Rahab the harlot!

 

[feedm3]

Do you know, how rarely you mention your obedience is motivated by your LOVE for GOD?

When you post defending those who believe "Obedience is linked to Salvation", AND "Must Keep His Commandments"; without ever mentioning that your Motive for those actions is LOVE for GOD; it is very easy to come to the conclusion that you believe you are earning part of your Salvation, as others on this thread have indicated. If you made it a habit to always mention, "Because I LOVE HIM."; behind obedience statements; we would not come to the wrong conclusion.

I apologize, especially because I know I have been falsely accused several times of believing I do not have to obey HIM, because I believe that I am absolutely already SAVED by HIS GRACE.

So it appears that you and I are not that far apart theologically.

Same here VCO, I apologize for my part in any misunderstandings. You're right, it definitely needs to be mentioned more, so people are clear exactly what we mean. Take care

 

[VCO]

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Then we can do the above, as Jesus commissioned His disciples to do, for we have the same Spirit and this is how Jesus walked.
What were you healed of sir?

I can only speak for myself, and it was an addiction to sin. My wife was healed in answer to prayer of a 20 year addiction to pain pills, with NO WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS.

He rose people from the dead, how can we do greater than that?

He rose them physically from the dead, but they died again, and when we lead a person to genuinely receive Christ as LORD, we in a real sense have led him to spiritual life that is ETERNAL, thus it is greater.

 

[newbirth]

Do you know, how rarely you mention your obedience is motivated by your LOVE for GOD?

When you post defending those who believe "Obedience is linked to Salvation", AND "Must Keep His Commandments"; without ever mentioning that your Motive for those actions is LOVE for GOD; it is very easy to come to the conclusion that you believe you are earning part of your Salvation, as others on this thread have indicated. If you made it a habit to always mention, "Because I LOVE HIM."; behind obedience statements; we would not come to the wrong conclusion.

I apologize, especially because I know I have been falsely accused several times of believing I do not have to obey HIM, because I believe that I am absolutely already SAVED by HIS GRACE.

So it appears that you and I are not that far apart theologically.

does one's motive change a command to something else? It is still a command so love and obedience becomes as one in term of motive but neither changes the command. Gods commands requires work in order to fulfil them.
1John2
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

 

[VCO]

Others have stated this before as well. But none of these discussions is actually about what one believes. It is about what scripture means.
The reason for that is that your personal experience does not dictate what scripture means or determines doctrine.
This is why I have also heard some say, well I don't think I will eve fall away. That may well be true for that person, but unfortunately your experience does not dictate that of others. Unfortunately more believers have probably fallen from grace than will recieve the promise at the end.

You are wrong about why I believe what I do. I believe it, because GOD SAID IT, IN HIS WORD:

1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.

Matthew 7:16-23 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A good tree can’t produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! {That inner personal LOVE relationship that comes when the Holy Spirit brings your once dead in trespasses human spirit to ETERNAL LIFE, receiving Jesus as LORD!} Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] My sheep hear My voice, I know them, {That inner personal LOVE relationship that comes when the Holy Spirit brings your once dead in trespasses human spirit to ETERNAL LIFE, receiving Jesus as LORD!} and they follow Me.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] I give them eternal life, {That spiritual life is NOT eternal IF you can lose it. BUT WE CANNOT LOSE IT!} and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.

I believe HIM! WHY DO YOU DOUBT THAT IT MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS?

Could it be that you have watered down the gospel's definition of what a real believer is, to include many who are actually on the broad road to the destruction of hell?

 

[VCO]

does one's motive change a command to something else? It is still a command so love and obedience becomes as one in term of motive but neither changes the command. Gods commands requires work in order to fulfil them.
1John2
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

No Salvation produces LOVE for GOD.

Love of GOD produces willing obedience.

As for 1 John 2:3-6, you are quoting the very verses that I quote most often.

FIRST OF ALL, understand that to KNOW HIM, is a reference to born again experience; {That inner personal LOVE relationship that comes when the Holy Spirit brings your once dead in trespasses human spirit to ETERNAL LIFE, receiving Jesus as LORD!}.

SECOND OF ALL, that the word "keepeth" is in the Greek perfect tense implying a continual lifestyle of striving to keep HIS commandments. And when we fail, the word "confess" is also in that same Greek perfect tense implying that our lifestyle is also characterized by a continual desire to confess and repent of each new sin as it appears in our life. As for those those who have earned the title "liars" for lieing about KNOWING HIM with {That inner personal LOVE relationship that comes when the Holy Spirit brings your once dead in trespasses human spirit to ETERNAL LIFE, receiving Jesus as LORD!}, they are mentioned elsewhere in the Bible:

Revelation 21:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the cowards, unbelievers, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars—their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

 

[VCO]

Why do you feel the need to change the meaning of the phrase. No where in this citation does it ever say that God is doing any work. Not one work.
God is going to hold YOU accountable. He definitely is NOT going to ask you if you want credit. He will ask what you did with all those gifts including the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit works in us, but not through us. You still have a free will and you can obey Satan just as well as obey Christ. That is why the onus is always on YOU, not God or the Holy Spirit.

John 17:3-5 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

 

[newbirth]

No Salvation produces LOVE for GOD.

Love of GOD produces willing obedience.

As for 1 John 2:3-6, you are quoting the very verses that I quote most often.

FIRST OF ALL, understand that to KNOW HIM, is a reference to born again experience; {That inner personal LOVE relationship that comes when the Holy Spirit brings your once dead in trespasses human spirit to ETERNAL LIFE, receiving Jesus as LORD!}.

SECOND OF ALL, that the word "keepeth" is in the Greek perfect tense implying a continual lifestyle of striving to keep HIS commandments. And when we fail, the word "confess" is also in that same Greek perfect tense implying that our lifestyle is also characterized by a continual desire to confess and repent of each new sin as it appears in our life. As for those those who have earned the title "liars" for lieing about KNOWING HIM with {That inner personal LOVE relationship that comes when the Holy Spirit brings your once dead in trespasses human spirit to ETERNAL LIFE, receiving Jesus as LORD!}, they are mentioned elsewhere in the Bible:

Revelation 21:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the cowards, unbelievers, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars—their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Did you not read the verse obedience produces love for God,,,But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected.
NIV...[SUP]5 [/SUP]But if anyone obeys his word,[SUP](J)[/SUP] love for God[SUP][a][/SUP] is truly made complete in them.
Stay with me don't drift.Now to show we love God we must love the brethren
[h=3]1 John 3:15-17[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Anyone who hates a brother or sister[SUP](A)[/SUP] is a murderer,[SUP](B)[/SUP] and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.[SUP](C)[/SUP]

[SUP]16 [/SUP]This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us.[SUP](D)[/SUP] And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters.[SUP](E)[/SUP] [SUP]17[/SUP]If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them,[SUP](F)[/SUP] how can the love of God be in that person?[SUP](G)[/SUP]