Salvation Not Possible Without Works

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dcontroversal said:
Another void and price-less statement from you....I have the faith of Christ in my life and am currently possessing eternal life based upon His Faith and work.....you on the other hand have trusted into yourself and your own abilities...good luck with that!
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Good post about the repent part. Is what we do our what He did. Because if He did not the we could not did. as for the baptism part it is not biblical. This a requirement that man has added. Then what shall we do after the fact?
 
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Kerry said:
Good post about the repent part. Is what we do our what He did. Because if He did not the we could not did. as for the baptism part it is not biblical. This a requirement that man has added. Then what shall we do after the fact?
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and we are back where we started...you are calling Peter a liar.. Philip a liar,,,Paul a liar.....like I said if you do not believe scripture ...you will not believe me...
 
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newbirth said:
and we are back where we started...you are calling Peter a liar.. Philip a liar,,,Paul a liar.....like I said if you do not believe scripture ...you will not believe me...
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So Christ went through all that stuff for what? When all we have to do is stick our head in some water. You really believe that stuff? did come with some caramel popcorn and free movie or something?
 
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newbirth said:
it says without the deeds of the law....how does that equate alone???
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our topic is salvation not possible without work.

So there is 2 thing we discuss here. salvation by faith without work/faith alone, or salvation require faith and work.

That verse say salvation not by deed/work of the law. Mean faith alone
 
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Elin said:
Salvation is by faith (through grace) alone, not by works.
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The word "alone" is not in Ep 2:8. A person no longer have God's word when he either adds or takes from it.
 
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Kerry said:
What work did you do to get saved?
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Believing is an obedient work that saves, Jn 6:27; Jn 8:24
Repentance is n obedient work that saves, Lk 13:3,5
Confession is an obedient work that saves, Rom 10:9,10
Baptism is an obedient work that saves, Mk 16;16; 1 Pet 3:24

One is either obedient to God's will or disobedient to God's will, no inbetween.

So if obedience to God's does not save, then what disobedience to God's will have you done to get saved?
 
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Jackson123 said:
our topic is salvation not possible without work.

So there is 2 thing we discuss here. salvation by faith without work/faith alone, or salvation require faith and work.

That verse say salvation not by deed/work of the law. Mean faith alone
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salvation is by grace through faith...not by works of the law...Faith without works is dead...works of faith is not works of the law....
 
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Kerry said:
So Christ went through all that stuff for what? When all we have to do is stick our head in some water. You really believe that stuff? did come with some caramel popcorn and free movie or something?
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then you do not believe the HS came and dwell in Jesus when he was baptised...
 
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newbirth said:
Grace is Christ dying on the cross to redeem mankind....faith is mankind answering the call to redemption...the whole world will hear the message but only some will answer the call....they are the children of faith.....
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So election is faith? So man's free will is faith?

No children of faith. Children of God through grace.

Faith is not of man. Faith is of God. Grace is of God. What of mercy?

You cannot separate faith from grace. You cannot receive grace if God does not give His mercy.

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newbirth said:
salvation is by grace through faith...not by works of the law...Faith without works is dead...works of faith is not works of the law....
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You said work is not work of the law, than work of what?
 
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notuptome said:
So election is faith? So man's free will is faith?
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you have to make your election sure...
2 Peter 1:10

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:




No children of faith. Children of God through grace.

Faith is not of man. Faith is of God. Grace is of God. What of mercy?

You cannot separate faith from grace. You cannot receive grace if God does not give His mercy.
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Grace came to us over 2000 years ago....faith comes to us by hearing...
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Elin said:
Right. . .so if works of the law are not with our faith in being saved, then why is our faith not alone?
What else of ours is with faith that faith is not alone?
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if your faith is alone you saved saved by wishful thinking...
did I not say obedience...
what is the message you heard....???
what shall we do ....
repent and be baptized for the remission of sins and
you shall receive the gift if the Holy Ghost...that is the entrance into the kingdom ...born of water and of the Spirit...
that is the promise.....if you can show me another promise in the NT for salvation and the HS...please do...
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Well, actually, faith is not even mentioned here.

"They were cut to the heart" reflects both belief and repentance had occurred,
which are both gifts ( Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3; / 2Ti 2:25; Ac 11:18, 5:31), as is
the Holy Spirit, and none are one's own works of obedience.

The answer is about what to do after belief--repent, which they had already done,
be baptized, and receive the Holy Spirit.

Ac 16:30 answers the question, "What must I do to be saved?"

The answer is simply, "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ."

Keeping in mind that faith (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:13),
repentance (2Ti 2:25; Ac 11:18, 5:31),
justification/righteousness (Ro 5:17), and
the Holy Spirit (Ac 2:38)
are all gifts of God, and not because of our own obedience.

The gift of faith saves alone.
The obedience of faith sanctifies after salvation; i.e., the forgiveness of sin (Lk 1:77).
 
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