Salvation - one must not hold anything back from God!

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oyster67

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This can only be directed to the Hebrews in the last days.
Not true. Hebrews is for all of us. Your claims are baseless. Romans is practical, Hebrews is spiritual, but both are for all of us today.
 

John146

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Not true. Hebrews is for all of us. Your claims are baseless. Romans is practical, Hebrews is spiritual, but both are for all of us today.
Ok, on this we disagree. But know, it goes against Paul's writings to the body of Christ.

Why is Hebrews spiritual? Why not take it literal?
 

Pilgrimshope

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You will need to do more than simply quote those passages in order to make the connection.
people hold things back from God I think is the point one man says “ I keep the Ten Commandments I’m sinless and approved”

to them Jesus says “ do you serve money and possessions or do you love that poor brother enough to help him in his needs” “ do you have any grudges against others ? “ “ do you love your enemies and turn the other cheek to insults ?”

what I got from this post is Christ shines a bright light on a believer and as we see the trash inside the room now that there is light to see , we can’t keep hold of the mess inside

Clinging to money , pride , lust , unforgiveness, greed and material possessions , clinging to debauchery , to judgements atritudes towards others , hate , anger ect those things go well beyond ten “ you must not do this “ rules . Christ demands the inner most parts of us , scripture gives revelation if we listen
 

JaumeJ

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I do. Spiritual things are very real. The most real things of all because they are eternal.
Spiritual reality is definitely true, while all we see are blinders.

When people spout facts to me as truth or science or any rendition of what is falsely called knowledge, I always feel obliged to say if it is not true eternally it is not truth.

We tolerate the facts of this age knowing all will pass in the fire next time leaving the eternal. I believe, and we all shall see, soon enough. Maranatha, amen.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Spiritual reality is definitely true, while all we see are blinders.

When people spout facts to me as truth or science or any rendition of what is falsely called knowledge, I always feel obliged to say if it is not true eternally it is not truth.

We tolerate the facts of this age knowing all will pass in the fire next time leaving the eternal. I believe, and we all shall see, soon enough. Maranatha, amen.
yes amen that’s what happened the world was filled with the knowledge of good and evil through mankind’s dominion .


That competing knowledge in the world manifest sin many forms of lies and darkness , sin and all kinds of unthinkable wickedness but the enemy is not buligerent and obvious he’s crafty he always has a persuasive sounding idea , always a circular logical approach but always his direction and conclusions are opposed to what God has clearly said is true then now and also what is coming in the future .


The fight of faith is to cling to the knowledge of Christ and part from the knowledge of evil . But evil has many tempting and cleverly designed forms in the world

it even echoes in the church

“ sure it’s true but doesn’t apply to you anymore “ “ everything is different now listen to My explanation instead of believing That” “ did God really say We need to be baptized ? Let me explain why we don’t “ “ do we really need to repent ? No one really changes listen to me “

“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:39-40‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45, 63, 68-69‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭36:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John chapter 14....