And this is different? Men have done this since scripture was first written. Does that means scripture is not true. SHould be disregarded, should be done away with?
No it means that individual man has always been incorrect. No man has ever imposed his own ideas upon scripture. The Holy Spirit has guarded and preserved Christ Gospel as it was given ONCE in the beginning to the saints. It has not changed in 2000 years.
is it scriptures fault that men twist what it means, or mans fault?
always man's fault.
lol. If you would look at scripture. you most certainly could disprove it. You just admitted you are incapable of rightly dividing the word of truth, WHy is this. When paul commands us ALL to rightly divide the word of truth, And now you saying this is not possible?
quite the opposite. To rightly divide the Truth one must know the Truth. Divide means to teach. How can you teach somethiong you know nothing about.
This is what all these men have done in the last 500 years. They imposed their meaning upon scripture first, then they procede to divide it within the paradigm of their own interpretation, just like you are doing.
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Unfounded assertions? Yuo do not know history very well do you? Maybe you need to study that also.
I would say that of your view. It has never been a teaching of scripture from the beginning. You have not given one piece of evidence that the Apostles taught what you state to the early Church.
As all false teachers, they must rely only upon their own personal interpretation, rather than what scripture actually means. The surest test of false teaching is that if it has not been believed from the beginning it is false.
Well I do not follow either of them. I would be a fool to follow any man, because we are not told to follow men, But to USE SCRIPTURE to test what any man teaches.
How can you do that when you don't know what they mean. You are even now trying to determine what it means, and in so doing you are relying upon yourself, a man. You should heed your own words here. Do not depend on man, they have always been wrong, as so you would be also.
But history shows that even a layman can study scripture and find out how to be saved, Timothy we are told knew enough from just the OT and his study of such to know how to be saved.
But he was taught the scripture. He did not study to determine for himself what they might mean. You have never been taught the Gospel either. You have simply yanked a text, called the Bible, isolated it from its full content, and from its context and set it up so you as an individual can determine just what it might mean. The Bible is NOT a textbook, nor a treatise. It is not the Truth. Christ IS TRUTH. His revelation of which scripture is a part, is a witness to that Truth.
Scripture is not the issue, men is the issue, And the Jews spent hundreds of years writting things outside of scripture. And saying exactly what your claiming, that scripture alone is error.
I have never claimed scripture is in error. Jesus condemned the Jews for their traditions adding to the OT oracles, and now we have men creating all kinds of traditions based on their personal interpretation of a text.
Sola scripture is error because man separated the meaning from it so they could determine for themselves what it should mean. The Holy Spirit did not give the Apostles the Bible. They gave to them God's revelation. It is this revelation that was taught in the early Church. They did not even have a Bible as you know it until the 4th century.
You have yet to learn from their mistake. why is that?
[/quote] I learned that Protestants with sola scriptura could not possibly be the ONCE given Gospel. If Christ promised never to leave or forsake His Body and that the Holy Spirit would guard the Gospel and that it would remain as unified as He is with the Father, Protestantism is NOT the Gospel.
It has made Christ's Gospel null and void with its smorgasborg practice of developing one's own religion.