SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!
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the problem with baptists, episcopalians and church of England is they ignore the old testament that Jesus told us to read and study
so they go way off track
but with just the new testament,
disobedience and not following Jesus in his word, will still have you rejecting heaven.
they never taught you the true gospel
the true gospel that MY JESUS TAUGHT
is
REPENT
and TURN YOUR LIFE AROUND
this is ignored.
so they go way off track
but with just the new testament,
disobedience and not following Jesus in his word, will still have you rejecting heaven.
they never taught you the true gospel
the true gospel that MY JESUS TAUGHT
is
REPENT
and TURN YOUR LIFE AROUND
this is ignored.
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I'll be brief in reply as it's late night here in Australia hence past my bed time.
Repentance was of dead works of self-righteousness.
Heb 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
This speaks of exactly what you are preaching. Dead works of self righteousness.
legalists need to repent of their dead works.
For Christians however, our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
Hence we do not turn back to the lusts of the flesh seeking to establish righteousness by works of the law ( which is sexual immorality with Hagar).
yes, this is what sin is.
and whatever the law says it says to those UNDER IT, Rom 3:19
Are Christians under the law?
Answer. No! Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:24, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9.
Hence Satan the accuser, and even the legalists, cannot charge Christians with sin as we're not under the law for righteousness. Our righteousness is by faith, instead.
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing (this includes sin) to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Repentance was of dead works of self-righteousness.
Heb 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
This speaks of exactly what you are preaching. Dead works of self righteousness.
legalists need to repent of their dead works.
For Christians however, our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
Hence we do not turn back to the lusts of the flesh seeking to establish righteousness by works of the law ( which is sexual immorality with Hagar).
yes, this is what sin is.
and whatever the law says it says to those UNDER IT, Rom 3:19
Are Christians under the law?
Answer. No! Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:24, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9.
Hence Satan the accuser, and even the legalists, cannot charge Christians with sin as we're not under the law for righteousness. Our righteousness is by faith, instead.
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing (this includes sin) to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
God gives us his grace
he warns us
we feel lost and we are
we turn to him
we say
Jesus I cant do it!
he says I know
come to me
he gives you his grace
he meets with you and recreates your mind on sabbath
he puts the desire and power to do right in you
and you walk in his strength
and you REPENT
you STOP SINNING
sinning is breaking the law
you stop that
by his grace
I cant do it
but he di=oes it
but if you ARENT walking that way
yo are not born again
you need to find Jesus the true word of God
and be born again
no disobedient person will enter heaven
none
Jesus makes you born again and you enter heaven
he warns us
we feel lost and we are
we turn to him
we say
Jesus I cant do it!
he says I know
come to me
he gives you his grace
he meets with you and recreates your mind on sabbath
he puts the desire and power to do right in you
and you walk in his strength
and you REPENT
you STOP SINNING
sinning is breaking the law
you stop that
by his grace
I cant do it
but he di=oes it
but if you ARENT walking that way
yo are not born again
you need to find Jesus the true word of God
and be born again
no disobedient person will enter heaven
none
Jesus makes you born again and you enter heaven
What is true repentance?
saying I am sorryJESUS i cant stop sinning
and say
what do I do?
and he says
son, you are in the military...
you are murdering people on the word of evil men
you go and kill women and children and men for no reason but someon told you to
stop it
I forgive you
go and kill no more
that is what Jesus would say
saying I am sorryJESUS i cant stop sinning
and say
what do I do?
and he says
son, you are in the military...
you are murdering people on the word of evil men
you go and kill women and children and men for no reason but someon told you to
stop it
I forgive you
go and kill no more
that is what Jesus would say
to the thief, he says
pay back what you stole
more than that
get a job
then take that money you made and give to the poor
and the thief says
ok!
and what does Jesus say?
Luke 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
salation does NOT COME when you say LORD LORD I LOVE YOU!
not
it does not
it comes if you repent.
pay back what you stole
more than that
get a job
then take that money you made and give to the poor
and the thief says
ok!
and what does Jesus say?
Luke 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
salation does NOT COME when you say LORD LORD I LOVE YOU!
not
it does not
it comes if you repent.
Again your ignorance of what a particular denomination teaches is evident......as I thoroughly enjoy the First Testament and teach from it regularly......I supplements the truth of salvation by faith through grace and points entirely to Jesus for total salvation and justification based upon grace, faith and mercy......
This is the false money scheming money grubbing churches who makes salvation easy so their churches make more money and everyone joins
hirelings
false pastors
false teachers
looking for your own interests
get away from anyone not folowing the word of God
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
well
false pastors
your reward will be ten times the punishment as the average sinner says the Lord
hirelings
false pastors
false teachers
looking for your own interests
get away from anyone not folowing the word of God
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
well
false pastors
your reward will be ten times the punishment as the average sinner says the Lord
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People do not seem to understand, Even in our judicial system. Which is not perfect by any means., A crime which is commited, and the penalty given by a jury of the criminals peers equals death. It does not matter how GOOD the person is. How many righteous deeds the person does. How many religious ceremonies, Legalistic ritual, or how well he obeys the ten commandments. Or how many times he allows himself to be dunked (baptized)
He still will suffer his just punishment, (death)
No amount of work can releave him of his debt to society which is his life.
It is no different than God. Who has PERFECT justice. and has passed out penalty of death TO ALL WHO HAVE EVER SINNED.
Take your good deeds to God. He will still pass on his judgment to you. they will not help you.
He still will suffer his just punishment, (death)
No amount of work can releave him of his debt to society which is his life.
It is no different than God. Who has PERFECT justice. and has passed out penalty of death TO ALL WHO HAVE EVER SINNED.
Take your good deeds to God. He will still pass on his judgment to you. they will not help you.
Isn't that the same as asking, "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll tootsie pop?"
Not really, No, now that I thought about it
Not really, No, now that I thought about it