SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!
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One can lose salvation the holy spirit is there to help you in the regeneration to bevome more into the image of God for His truth in sanctity Holiness the Lord loves therefore we must endure and not let ouraelves be beguiled by every word of a simple man but ndure the faith as given jesus said many are the called but few are chosen
You see salvation can be lost but jesus christ has all power to redeem all He wants is your surrender your full surrender no more you all Him a life in the spirit the works of faith my father died without repentance we have to take this truth that one can fall away if they dont stay steadfast i cannot call one an unbeliever due to onconsistency bu because we cannot make Christ og no effect we dont know the outcome to say that but Hold steadfast in the truth and be furnished into all good works that you may endure
You are completely wrong. When a sinner trusts Christ to save them from their sin they are born again into Gods family. We become an heritage of the Lord. We have a new birthright which cannot be taken away. Never ever taken away. Not possible.
I urge you folks to trust Christ and stop trying to save yourselves. You cannot save yourself nor can you keep yourself from sinning. 1 John we are told if we say we don't sin we lie.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I urge you folks to trust Christ and stop trying to save yourselves. You cannot save yourself nor can you keep yourself from sinning. 1 John we are told if we say we don't sin we lie.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You will see truth someday its like jesus gave mercy by example and redeeming what was considered dead and lost to have faith is to believe the whole gospel the baptisms the holy communion believing in his blood the cross attonement its the whole gospel not based on human wisdom but God's evident truth in completeness and fully balanced
1 Timothy 4:1-2 (NASB) [SUP]1 [/SUP]But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, [SUP]2 [/SUP]by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,
1 Timothy 4:1-2 (NLT) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. [SUP]2 [/SUP]These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead.
Adam Clarkes Commentary:
Depart from the faith—Αποστησονται—της πιστεως· They will apostatize from the faith, i.e. from Christianity; renouncing the whole system in effect, by bringing in doctrines which render its essential truths null and void, or denying and renouncing such doctrines as are essential to Christianity as a system of salvation. A man may hold all the truths of Christianity, and yet render them of none effect by holding other doctrines which counteract their influence; or he may apostatize by denying some essential doctrine, though he bring in nothing heterodox.
Bible Knowledge Commentary"
B. Predictions of apostasy (4:1-5)
4:1. As the repository and guardian of the truth, the church must be aware of the strategies of the truth’s enemies. It is crucial then for the church to understand what God has revealed about these enemies (cf. 1 Peter 4:1-18; Jude 17-18). By the Spirit clearly says Paul was not necessarily referring to any particular revelation but to the repeated teaching of the Lord (e.g., Mark 13:22), the other apostles (e.g., 2 Peter 3:1-18), and Paul himself (e.g., Acts 20:29; 2 Thes. 2:1-12). According to this teaching the situation will degenerate as Christ’s return approaches. In later times (cf. 2 Tim. 3:1 for a synonym), which Paul viewed as still future though casting their shadow already, some people will abandon the faith (cf. 1 Tim. 1:19) to follow after the false teaching of deceiving spirits and... demons. Spiritual error is seldom due to innocent mistakes. It is more often due to the conscious strategies of God’s spiritual enemies (cf. Eph. 6:12). The teachings (didaskaliais) of demons are false doctrines taught by errorists whose views are instigated by demons.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Commentary:
Notes for Verse 1
Verse 1. Now -- Greek, "But." In contrast to the "mystery of godliness."
the Spirit -- speaking by the prophets in the Church (whose prophecies rested on those of the Old Testament, Da 7:25 Da 8:23, &c. Da 11:30, as also on those of Jesus in the New Testament, Mt 24:11-24), and also by Paul himself, 2Th 2:3 (with whom accord 2Pe 3:3 1John 2:18 Jude 1:18).
expressly -- "in plain words." This shows that he refers to prophecies of the Spirit then lying before him.
in the latter times -- in the times following upon the times in which he is now writing. Not some remote future, but times immediately subsequent, the beginnings of the apostasy being already discernible (Ac 20:29): these are the forerunners of "the last days" (2Ti 3:1).
depart from the faith -- The apostasy was to be within the Church, the faithful one becoming the harlot. In 2Th 2:3 (written earlier), the apostasy of the Jews from God (joining the heathen against Christianity) is the groundwork on which the prophecy rises; whereas here, in the Pastoral Epistles, the prophecy is connected with Gnostic errors, the seeds of which had already been sown in the Church [AUBERLEN] (2Ti 2:18). Apollonius Tyanæus, a heretic, came to Ephesus in the lifetime of Timothy.
giving heed -- (1Ti 1:4 Tit 1:14).
seducing spirits -- working in the heretical teachers. 1John 4:2, 3, 6, "the spirit of error," opposed to "the spirit of truth," "the Spirit" which "speaketh" in the true prophets against them.
doctrines of devils -- literally "teachings of (that is suggested by) demons." Jas 3:15, "wisdom . . . devilish"; 2Co 11:15, "Satan's ministers."
Whenever the Bible talks about apostasy, it's about believers doing it. A sinner or so-called false christian cannot become what he already is. Therefore, OSAS is heresy.
But you know how it is............ this will be called "taken out of context", or "twisting of scripture", or totally ignored altogether, as it cannot be fought against.
1 Timothy 4:1-2 (NLT) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. [SUP]2 [/SUP]These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead.
Adam Clarkes Commentary:
Depart from the faith—Αποστησονται—της πιστεως· They will apostatize from the faith, i.e. from Christianity; renouncing the whole system in effect, by bringing in doctrines which render its essential truths null and void, or denying and renouncing such doctrines as are essential to Christianity as a system of salvation. A man may hold all the truths of Christianity, and yet render them of none effect by holding other doctrines which counteract their influence; or he may apostatize by denying some essential doctrine, though he bring in nothing heterodox.
Bible Knowledge Commentary"
B. Predictions of apostasy (4:1-5)
4:1. As the repository and guardian of the truth, the church must be aware of the strategies of the truth’s enemies. It is crucial then for the church to understand what God has revealed about these enemies (cf. 1 Peter 4:1-18; Jude 17-18). By the Spirit clearly says Paul was not necessarily referring to any particular revelation but to the repeated teaching of the Lord (e.g., Mark 13:22), the other apostles (e.g., 2 Peter 3:1-18), and Paul himself (e.g., Acts 20:29; 2 Thes. 2:1-12). According to this teaching the situation will degenerate as Christ’s return approaches. In later times (cf. 2 Tim. 3:1 for a synonym), which Paul viewed as still future though casting their shadow already, some people will abandon the faith (cf. 1 Tim. 1:19) to follow after the false teaching of deceiving spirits and... demons. Spiritual error is seldom due to innocent mistakes. It is more often due to the conscious strategies of God’s spiritual enemies (cf. Eph. 6:12). The teachings (didaskaliais) of demons are false doctrines taught by errorists whose views are instigated by demons.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Commentary:
Notes for Verse 1
Verse 1. Now -- Greek, "But." In contrast to the "mystery of godliness."
the Spirit -- speaking by the prophets in the Church (whose prophecies rested on those of the Old Testament, Da 7:25 Da 8:23, &c. Da 11:30, as also on those of Jesus in the New Testament, Mt 24:11-24), and also by Paul himself, 2Th 2:3 (with whom accord 2Pe 3:3 1John 2:18 Jude 1:18).
expressly -- "in plain words." This shows that he refers to prophecies of the Spirit then lying before him.
in the latter times -- in the times following upon the times in which he is now writing. Not some remote future, but times immediately subsequent, the beginnings of the apostasy being already discernible (Ac 20:29): these are the forerunners of "the last days" (2Ti 3:1).
depart from the faith -- The apostasy was to be within the Church, the faithful one becoming the harlot. In 2Th 2:3 (written earlier), the apostasy of the Jews from God (joining the heathen against Christianity) is the groundwork on which the prophecy rises; whereas here, in the Pastoral Epistles, the prophecy is connected with Gnostic errors, the seeds of which had already been sown in the Church [AUBERLEN] (2Ti 2:18). Apollonius Tyanæus, a heretic, came to Ephesus in the lifetime of Timothy.
giving heed -- (1Ti 1:4 Tit 1:14).
seducing spirits -- working in the heretical teachers. 1John 4:2, 3, 6, "the spirit of error," opposed to "the spirit of truth," "the Spirit" which "speaketh" in the true prophets against them.
doctrines of devils -- literally "teachings of (that is suggested by) demons." Jas 3:15, "wisdom . . . devilish"; 2Co 11:15, "Satan's ministers."
Whenever the Bible talks about apostasy, it's about believers doing it. A sinner or so-called false christian cannot become what he already is. Therefore, OSAS is heresy.
But you know how it is............ this will be called "taken out of context", or "twisting of scripture", or totally ignored altogether, as it cannot be fought against.
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That means God did not forgive us unconditionally.
Someone had to pay the debt owed.
And when it's paid, it is no longer owed, and one is saved from God's wrath (Ro 5:9) on unpaid debt.
We forgive others, not because their debt was paid, but because our debt was paid.
Our hearts are so moved by and grateful for our own free forgiveness that we freely forgive others.
Everyone whose debt has been paid is saved from God's wrath on unpaid debt at the Final Judgment.
Only those with unpaid debt are subject to God's wrath.
So the debt of those who are condemned in unbelief at the Final Judgment was not actually paid.
Someone had to pay the debt owed.
And when it's paid, it is no longer owed, and one is saved from God's wrath (Ro 5:9) on unpaid debt.
We forgive others, not because their debt was paid, but because our debt was paid.
Our hearts are so moved by and grateful for our own free forgiveness that we freely forgive others.
Everyone whose debt has been paid is saved from God's wrath on unpaid debt at the Final Judgment.
Only those with unpaid debt are subject to God's wrath.
So the debt of those who are condemned in unbelief at the Final Judgment was not actually paid.
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Jas 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
Jas 2:2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
Jas 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
Jas 2:4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
Jas 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Jas 2:6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
Jas 2:7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Jas 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
Jas 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
Jas 2:4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
Jas 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Jas 2:6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
Jas 2:7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Jas 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Not when you understand that God works through means (second causes) in bringing his sons to glory.
Faith comes through the means (second cause) of hearing, not by being dropped into you directly.
Renewal comes through the means (second cause) of warnings, not by being dropped into you directly.
Sanctification comes through the means (second cause) of obedience, not by being dropped into you directly. Etc., etc., etc.
You don't understand the economy of salvation.
It absolutely does. . .in Mt 7:21-23, but your understanding is too shallow to see it.
And I understand all too well your self-serving rationale for denying counterfeit faith.
Explained above, but your understanding is too shallow to see it.
Not true believers, only counterfeit believers, as those in Mt 7:21-23, because they had no salvation
in the first place.
Their faith was counterfeit.
But your understanding is too shallow and self-servingly prejudiced against it to see that.
Because they are unbelievers. . .how did you miss that?
Counterfeit faith is not true faith (Mt 7:21-23), it is actually faith in untruth, which blinds.
Not according to Paul. . .that's your own idea.
You'll have to take it up with him.
You accept an authority outside Scripture which authorizes what Scripture does not state.
Therefore, you are wasting your time and ours here.
Faith comes through the means (second cause) of hearing, not by being dropped into you directly.
Renewal comes through the means (second cause) of warnings, not by being dropped into you directly.
Sanctification comes through the means (second cause) of obedience, not by being dropped into you directly. Etc., etc., etc.
You don't understand the economy of salvation.
It absolutely does. . .in Mt 7:21-23, but your understanding is too shallow to see it.
And I understand all too well your self-serving rationale for denying counterfeit faith.
Explained above, but your understanding is too shallow to see it.
Not true believers, only counterfeit believers, as those in Mt 7:21-23, because they had no salvation
in the first place.
Their faith was counterfeit.
But your understanding is too shallow and self-servingly prejudiced against it to see that.
Because they are unbelievers. . .how did you miss that?
Counterfeit faith is not true faith (Mt 7:21-23), it is actually faith in untruth, which blinds.
Not according to Paul. . .that's your own idea.
You'll have to take it up with him.
You accept an authority outside Scripture which authorizes what Scripture does not state.
Therefore, you are wasting your time and ours here.
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H
Hi Shyness,
Perhaps you missed my earlier post to you. Here it is again, regarding Matt 7.
What is God's will?
John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
This is consistent with the gospel of grace.
This is also consistent with the works Jesus told us to do, John 6:29.
And who are those who practice lawlessness and are told to depart from the Lord?
Answer: It's the legalists who preach the law.
Remember that whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19
It's the legalists here on this forum who are under the law. And in this they make themselves a sinner.
Gal 2:18
For if I build again the things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law) , I make myself a transgressor/SINNER
Here we see scripture confirming that it's the legalists who are told to depart as they chose righteousness by works of the law instead of righteousness by faith. Legalists reject Christ's sacrifice and what it offers us. Instead they have chosen to be under the law. Hence, whatever the law says it says to them. And they will be found guilty (Rom 3:19, James 2:10). They are rightly described as those who practice lawlessness.
As for Christians, however, we believe on Jesus. Our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. Christ's sacrifice has sanctified us, Heb 10:10. Our life is hid with Christ in God, Col 3:3. Hence Satan, the accuser, cannot charge us with lawlessness.
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Shyness, if you are following error doctrine that mixes works of the law with grace, God says youcannot do that, Rom 11:6.
He asks you to repent of your dead works of righteousness by works of the law, and instead that you should believe on Jesus.
Perhaps you missed my earlier post to you. Here it is again, regarding Matt 7.
What is God's will?
John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
This is consistent with the gospel of grace.
This is also consistent with the works Jesus told us to do, John 6:29.
And who are those who practice lawlessness and are told to depart from the Lord?
Answer: It's the legalists who preach the law.
Remember that whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19
It's the legalists here on this forum who are under the law. And in this they make themselves a sinner.
Gal 2:18
For if I build again the things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law) , I make myself a transgressor/SINNER
Here we see scripture confirming that it's the legalists who are told to depart as they chose righteousness by works of the law instead of righteousness by faith. Legalists reject Christ's sacrifice and what it offers us. Instead they have chosen to be under the law. Hence, whatever the law says it says to them. And they will be found guilty (Rom 3:19, James 2:10). They are rightly described as those who practice lawlessness.
As for Christians, however, we believe on Jesus. Our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. Christ's sacrifice has sanctified us, Heb 10:10. Our life is hid with Christ in God, Col 3:3. Hence Satan, the accuser, cannot charge us with lawlessness.
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Shyness, if you are following error doctrine that mixes works of the law with grace, God says youcannot do that, Rom 11:6.
He asks you to repent of your dead works of righteousness by works of the law, and instead that you should believe on Jesus.
H
True. But you are thinking of works as being works of the law.
This is like saying that the motor for your car is the peddles for a child's tricycle that you then peddle yourself (self-righteousness) in the hope that it can move a heavy car.
But for Christians, our works are to believe on Jesus, John 6:29.
So to use your car with a motor scenario, Christians have changed cars and are in the car belonging to Jesus which has a spiritual motor that never dies.
This is like saying that the motor for your car is the peddles for a child's tricycle that you then peddle yourself (self-righteousness) in the hope that it can move a heavy car.
But for Christians, our works are to believe on Jesus, John 6:29.
So to use your car with a motor scenario, Christians have changed cars and are in the car belonging to Jesus which has a spiritual motor that never dies.
A
You do realize that this is all about works of the law of Moses, do you not? Passages like Rom. 3:18 , Gal. 5:4, etc. Prove this. I don't know many people on this board who actually believe we are still subject to the law of Moses. But the fact that we are no longer under the law, but under grace doesn't mean we are free from all obligations to Christ. We are commanded to care for the needy, visit the sick, preach the Gospel, etc. There is more to Christianity than just believing. If performing these commands means that I'm a "legalist" , then I'm more than happy to wear that honor.
H
The 10 commandments are part of the law (2Cor 3:7-11, James 2:10).
You refer in part to Matt 25:31-46
“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy[c]angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
This is all referring to preaching the gospel to the unsaved.
Remember that scripture is SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED, 1Cor2:14.
Below are some scriptures to give the spiritual context to what is feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, taking in the stranger, etc.
What is the spiritual food/drink that mankind is in need of?
It's Christ Jesus.
1 Cor 10:3-4
And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Who are those in spiritual prison?
It's those who are without Christ.
Isa 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
And what is the state of mankind without Christ?
It's spiritually sick, and needing to hear the gospel of Christ.
Isa 1:5-6
Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.
And how are the spiritually naked clothed?
Isa 61:10
I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, My soul shall be joyful in my God; For He has clothed me with the garments of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness,
And who is the spiritual stranger?
Eph 2:12
that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel andstrangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Eph 2:19
Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
So we see scripture speaking in spiritual terms regarding preaching the gospel of grace. And in doing the works of believing in Jesus, John 6:29, Christians also let their light shine preaching the gospel of Christ to spiritually feed, clothe, heal and set free, the lost.
Matt 5:14-16
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works (believing in Jesus, John 6:29), and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Our works are to believe on Jesus. These works manifest as preaching the gospel to the lost, as described above.
We also see these works of believing on Jesus manifesting in terms that we do not fornicate with Hagar, who is symbolic for righteousness by works of the law (Gal 4:24). Christians do not follow lukewarm doctrines that mix works of the law (Hagar) with grace, Rom 11:6
We also see that Christians do not get into drunkenness. Again this is not speaking of physical drunkenness, but instead it refers to spiritual drunkenness from the spiritual wine of fornication with Hagar, Rev 17:1,2.
All these works described above are works of believing on Jesus.
This differs from what legalists here preach regarding works of the law (10 commandments, etc). Those who preach these works focus only on the physical and they preach condemnation/death to anyone who does not attain some minimum standard of obedience to the law.
You refer in part to Matt 25:31-46
“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy[c]angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
This is all referring to preaching the gospel to the unsaved.
Remember that scripture is SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED, 1Cor2:14.
Below are some scriptures to give the spiritual context to what is feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, taking in the stranger, etc.
What is the spiritual food/drink that mankind is in need of?
It's Christ Jesus.
1 Cor 10:3-4
And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Who are those in spiritual prison?
It's those who are without Christ.
Isa 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
And what is the state of mankind without Christ?
It's spiritually sick, and needing to hear the gospel of Christ.
Isa 1:5-6
Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.
And how are the spiritually naked clothed?
Isa 61:10
I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, My soul shall be joyful in my God; For He has clothed me with the garments of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness,
And who is the spiritual stranger?
Eph 2:12
that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel andstrangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Eph 2:19
Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
So we see scripture speaking in spiritual terms regarding preaching the gospel of grace. And in doing the works of believing in Jesus, John 6:29, Christians also let their light shine preaching the gospel of Christ to spiritually feed, clothe, heal and set free, the lost.
Matt 5:14-16
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works (believing in Jesus, John 6:29), and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Our works are to believe on Jesus. These works manifest as preaching the gospel to the lost, as described above.
We also see these works of believing on Jesus manifesting in terms that we do not fornicate with Hagar, who is symbolic for righteousness by works of the law (Gal 4:24). Christians do not follow lukewarm doctrines that mix works of the law (Hagar) with grace, Rom 11:6
We also see that Christians do not get into drunkenness. Again this is not speaking of physical drunkenness, but instead it refers to spiritual drunkenness from the spiritual wine of fornication with Hagar, Rev 17:1,2.
All these works described above are works of believing on Jesus.
This differs from what legalists here preach regarding works of the law (10 commandments, etc). Those who preach these works focus only on the physical and they preach condemnation/death to anyone who does not attain some minimum standard of obedience to the law.
Did I say I negated grace?
Did I say I rob God of His glory?
Who said anything about not about having grace or doing merit.
More strawmen. Nothing remotely relevant to what I stated again. Unfounded assertions, meaningless rhetoric.
You can't do better than that? Where is your evidence of "being saved by faith only"?
Did I say I rob God of His glory?
Who said anything about not about having grace or doing merit.
More strawmen. Nothing remotely relevant to what I stated again. Unfounded assertions, meaningless rhetoric.
You can't do better than that? Where is your evidence of "being saved by faith only"?