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That's the way these guys are...... you can throw a hundred scriptures at them, & all that will do is get them to holler "context, context!!", & never explain why. They're so big for their britches they believe we'll just believe it 'cause they said so. This is the reason some people think these guys are all the same person..... they all act just alike. They believe we should believe them 'cause they continually are correcting others but won't allow correction to come to themselves. Such haughtiness, arrogance, & self-righteousness is evident within them you'd swear they're the same person. But they're not........ they are all like their father.......thus the family resemblence.
 
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That's the way these guys are...... you can throw a hundred scriptures at them, & all that will do is get them to holler "context, context!!", & never explain why. They're so big for their britches they believe we'll just believe it 'cause they said so. This is the reason some people think these guys are all the same person..... they all act just alike. They believe we should believe them 'cause they continually are correcting others but won't allow correction to come to themselves. Such haughtiness, arrogance, & self-righteousness is evident within them you'd swear they're the same person. But they're not........ they are all like their father.......thus the family resemblence.

Actually 90 % of the time we do explain why.

Your refusal to acknowledge this is proof you do not listen to a thing we say.

We have posted many verses also You ignore them.

so instead of attacking (like your type loves to do) why do you not learn to openly discuss??
 

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So you did good before you were saved? God said you could not do good before you were saved. Did God lie?






Again, Never forgive anyone, ever.

You again do not understand.
Perhaps I don't. Maybe you could enlighten me then.
You keep saying never, ever, and anyone. When you're dead, it's too late. The word doesn't say never. We're not going to be judged of any acts after we are gone, only those we commit here in this world.
The word says until you forgive the other person, you yourself will not be forgiven. I think that is pretty plain to see.
Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
I don't know exactly what that entails, but it doesn't look or sound good to me.
 
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Perhaps I don't. Maybe you could enlighten me then.
You keep saying never, ever, and anyone. When you're dead, it's too late. The word doesn't say never. We're not going to be judged of any acts after we are gone, only those we commit here in this world.
The word says until you forgive the other person, you yourself will not be forgiven. I think that is pretty plain to see.
Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
I don't know exactly what that entails, but it doesn't look or sound good to me.

Your not getting it at all my friend.

the word says if you do not forgive "aorist tense" Men, neither shall your father forgive you.

He is not saying if you do not forgive once or twice. or a few people. he is saying if you have never forgiven anyone.
 

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I hope and pray that you do join yourself to a local church body. We are commanded to not forsake the gathering together.
I know I am commanded, but it's not by choice. At this time, circumstances dictate. Right now, it's not possible for me to go to any particular church, only on occasion am I able to. I travel too much.
 

know1

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Your not getting it at all my friend.

the word says if you do not forgive "aorist tense" Men, neither shall your father forgive you.

He is not saying if you do not forgive once or twice. or a few people. he is saying if you have never forgiven anyone.
No, I respectfully disagree sir.
'Have aught against any', is present tense or currently, not never. It is saying, if you are holding anything against anyone currently, first forgive that person or people, then you will be forgiven.
 
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No, I respectfully disagree sir.
'Have aught against any', is present tense or currently, not never. It is saying, if you are holding anything against anyone currently, first forgive that person or people, then you will be forgiven.
I respectively disagree,

The King Jimmy was not inspired by God.

The Greek has it in the aorist tense. It means something which occurred in the past and continues.
 
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None of those have anything to do with saving us as salvation is by faith through grace....You can continue to post scriptures out of context to prove you works for salvation and they will still be out of context and wrong.....

IN THE GRACE YOU ARE HAVING BEEN SAVED OUT OF FAITH and that NOT OF YOURSELVES IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD AND NOT OF WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST....

JESUS+WORKS for salvation or to keep salvation=HELL/LAKE OF FIRE as it is a gospel of a DIFFERENT KIND and has NO POWER TO SAVE and is double CURSED to HELL!

It wouldn't be so bad except he says he is a pastor himself.
 
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back to magic water,, johns baptism of water never gave salvation to anyone,

mathew 3:11 I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.


what dont you get??
 

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I respectively disagree,

The King Jimmy was not inspired by God.

The Greek has it in the aorist tense. It means something which occurred in the past and continues.
Matthew 5:23 (KJV)
Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;


Sorry, "hath" in 5:23 is in the present tense, active, indicative 3rd person singular. King Jimmy is in agreement with the Greek.
 

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back to magic water,, johns baptism of water never gave salvation to anyone,

mathew 3:11 I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.


what dont you get??
What you don't get is the disciples were commissioned to baptize, Jesus said "go throughout the world baptizing", he did not say "go throughout the world so I can baptize"

Jesus and ONLY Jesus can baptize with the Holy Spirit, the disciples baptize(d) with water. the Holy Spirit is what puts us in contact with the blood of Jesus Christ (in the water) remitting our sins, but it is the disciples that were commissioned to baptize, not Jesus.
 

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I respectively disagree,

The King Jimmy was not inspired by God.

The Greek has it in the aorist tense. It means something which occurred in the past and continues.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Mat 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
Mat 18:24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
Mat 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
Mat 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
Mat 18:28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
Mat 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
Mat 18:31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

What about these? They all say the same thing.
Let's face some simple and obvious facts. We are to forgive everyone of everything that we are currently holding against them. That is part of the commandment of the lord. Love your neighbor as yourself, and repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. That's one of the things we are to confess, then he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. It is a sin to hold a grudge and refuse to forgive someone. That's what John the Baptist got people to do to make straight the way of the lord.

Joh 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Again, whoever's sins or offenses you refuse to let go of, you will keep, and God will not forgive you. This is for the Christian.
 
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Are you gonna keep ignoring the Word? Or are you gonna deal with this?
You're on the carpet in front of everyone.
Matthew 7:21-23 ESV
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’​
Hebrews 6:4-6 ESV
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.​
2 Peter 2:20-22 ESV
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.​
Ezekiel 18:24-26 ESV
But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die.​
Hebrews 10:26-28 ESV
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses.​
1 John 2:3-4 ESV
And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
Romans 2:6-8 ESV
He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
Romans 11:22 ESV
Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.​
Hebrews 6:4-6 [SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Revelation 2:4-7 ESV
But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’​
Revelation 3:1-6 ESV
“And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: ‘The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. “‘I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up, and strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God. Remember, then, what you received and heard. Keep it, and repent. If you will not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come against you. Yet you have still a few names in Sardis, people who have not soiled their garments, and they will walk with me in white, for they are worthy. The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels.​
2 Peter 1:9-10 ESV
For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall.
Luke 6:46 ESV
“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?​
Galatians 5:4 ESV
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.​
Ephesians 2:10 ESV
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Revelation 22:19 ESV
And if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Colossians 1:23 ESV
If indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.

How many of these will you cry against? How can you not see? How can you refuse these? I'll tell you how: with excuses & accusations. All you will do is post & tell how wrong I am & try against all odds to make me look wrong. But you won't have a leg to stand on. Who (besides EG) will believe you now?
Why would one cry out against the Word of God?

These Scriptures all speak of counterfeit faith (1Jn 2:19; Lk 8:13; Mt 7:21-23) which
does not save.

Saving faith is a bi-component entity composed of faith and obedience, both being required
to be saving faith.

The first component, faith, is the only one that saves,
but without the second component, obedience, which is the necessary result and
is necessarily produced by true faith, it is not saving faith, it is counterfeit faith,
and does not obey, eventually falling away (1Jn 2:19; Lk 8:13).

Many in the professing church have counterfeit faith, as evidenced by their habitual
not obeying.


You confound the two separate components of true faith
because you do not understand the difference between the two components of
true faith (Eph 2:8-9), which obeys, and counterfeit faith (1Jn 2:19; Lk 8:13)
which has no root (Lk 8:13) of rebirth, does not save and does not persevere.







 
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Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Mat 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
Mat 18:24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
Mat 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
Mat 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
Mat 18:28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
Mat 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
Mat 18:31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

What about these? They all say the same thing.
Let's face some simple and obvious facts. We are to forgive everyone of everything that we are currently holding against them. That is part of the commandment of the lord. Love your neighbor as yourself, and repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. That's one of the things we are to confess, then he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. It is a sin to hold a grudge and refuse to forgive someone. That's what John the Baptist got people to do to make straight the way of the lord.

Joh 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Again, whoever's sins or offenses you refuse to let go of, you will keep, and
God will not forgive you. This is for the Christian.
Failure to forgive manifests an unforgiving heart, because it has not itself received forgiveness through true faith.

Unforgiving hearts do not have true faith, and are not saved, as shown above.
 

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Why would one cry out against the Word of God?

These Scriptures all speak of counterfeit faith (1Jn 2:19; Lk 8:13; Mt 7:21-23) which
does not save.

Saving faith is a bi-component entity composed of faith and obedience, both being required
to be saving faith.

The first component, faith, is the only one that saves,
but without the second component, obedience, which is the necessary result and
is necessarily produced by true faith, it is not saving faith, it is counterfeit faith,
and does not obey, eventually falling away (1Jn 2:19; Lk 8:13).

Many in the professing church have counterfeit faith, as evidenced by their habitual
not obeying.


You confound the two separate components of true faith
because you do not understand the difference between the two components of
true faith (Eph 2:8-9), which obeys, and counterfeit faith (1Jn 2:19; Lk 8:13)
which has no root (Lk 8:13) of rebirth, does not save and does not persevere.







The real problem with your view is that we have unbelievers who repented, and remain unbelievers. We have the same who were baptised into Christ, but still unbelievers. We have same who were given the indwelling Holy Spirit. We have the same bearing good fruit unto righeousness, yet you call them unbelievers. Because some 50 years later, they decide to depart the faith, lose faith. Then you say all the before was just a fake. It is the same old nonsense. You have one living in the proverbial tree for 50 years, but fell out, then you say he was never in the tree to begin with.

You have so twisted scripture that it makes it null and void. The point is that a person IS NOT SAVED UPON A SIMPLE ASCENT OF FAITH. There is NO SALVATION until the end. It is the result of one's faith being sustained working out our salvation with the Holy Spirit with fear and trembling. Upon faith, we enter into a relationship, not salvation.

Our faith is being tested by our ability to resist sin. The Holy Spirit has given us all the armor to do this, but man still throws off the armor because he does not like to be IN Christ. He prefers the world and its pleasures.

YOu are correct we cannot lose salvation, but then in this life we never had it. What we have is faith in Christ, and it is that faith that must continue. If we lose faith, we shall not be saved. Salvation is the goal, not the means. Faith is the means to salvation.
 
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back to magic water,, johns baptism of water never gave salvation to anyone,

mathew 3:11 I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.


what dont you get??
Humility, Allowing God to do all the work. And admitting you do not have any part whatsoever. That is against human nature, and why it is so hard to enter in. Narrow the gate, and so FEW there are who enter in.
 
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Matthew 5:23 (KJV)
Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;


Sorry, "hath" in 5:23 is in the present tense, active, indicative 3rd person singular. King Jimmy is in agreement with the Greek.
ok mr twisty. what does this have to do with matt 6: 15

Stick to the discussion at hand. You will not look so foolish. Matt 5: 23 was not being discussed
 
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Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Mat 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
Mat 18:24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
Mat 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
Mat 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
Mat 18:28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
Mat 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
Mat 18:31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

What about these? They all say the same thing.
Let's face some simple and obvious facts. We are to forgive everyone of everything that we are currently holding against them. That is part of the commandment of the lord. Love your neighbor as yourself, and repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. That's one of the things we are to confess, then he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. It is a sin to hold a grudge and refuse to forgive someone. That's what John the Baptist got people to do to make straight the way of the lord.

Joh 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Again, whoever's sins or offenses you refuse to let go of, you will keep, and God will not forgive you. This is for the Christian.
Matt 6: 15.

Do not forgive

Me (do not) Aphete (forgive)

Verb Aorist Active subjunctive, 2nd person plural/ finite verb


A finite verb is one which changes to maintain continuance with the subject. In other words. Once you have forgiven someone, the term ceases to exist.

Next??
 
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What you don't get is the disciples were commissioned to baptize, Jesus said "go throughout the world baptizing", he did not say "go throughout the world so I can baptize"

Jesus and ONLY Jesus can baptize with the Holy Spirit, the disciples baptize(d) with water. the Holy Spirit is what puts us in contact with the blood of Jesus Christ (in the water) remitting our sins, but it is the disciples that were commissioned to baptize, not Jesus.

johns baptism didn't bring salvation to anyone are you saying the disciples water baptism wasn't the same, are there any records of 2 baptisms with water, did those baptised by john get a bum deal and need to do it again are you saying
 
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Humility, Allowing God to do all the work. And admitting you do not have any part whatsoever. That is against human nature, and why it is so hard to enter in. Narrow the gate, and so FEW there are who enter in.
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so water baptism isn't a work now, wasn't John the baptist a man, calling people to repentance, works save no one, so no man can boast, therefore cant see how baptism saves anyone