SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!

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self righteous self proclaimed just say I am saved and the plagues wont hit me religion?

false
you will find out what kind of faith you have
repent
believe the gospel

the gospel is the same gospel of abraham noah daniel Jesus peter john and paul
they obeyed and believed

to believe the Bible means to do every word of it because Jesus asked you too

ignore insane demons that call you self righteous
they will get their reward.

I love Jesus
I try to get as many people to wake up as possible

now
about you
are YOU a christian?
does Jesus hear your prayer?
here is a test

ready? hope you pass'
 

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1 "Shout with the voice of a trumpet blast. Tell my people Israel of their sins! 2 Yet they act so pious! They come to the Temple every day and seem delighted to hear my laws. You would almost think this was a righteous nation that would never abandon its God. They love to make a show of coming to me and asking me to take action on their behalf. 3 'We have fasted before you!' they say. 'Why aren't you impressed? We have done much penance, and you don't even notice it!'"I will tell you why! It's because you are living for yourselves even while you are fasting. You keep right on oppressing your workers. 4 What good is fasting when you keep on fighting and quarreling? This kind of fasting will never get you anywhere with me. 5 You humble yourselves by going through the motions of penance, bowing your heads like a blade of grass in the wind. You dress in sackcloth and cover yourselves with ashes. Is this what you call fasting? Do you really think this will please the LORD? 6 "No, the kind of fasting I want calls you to free those who are wrongly imprisoned and to stop oppressing those who work for you. Treat them fairly and give them what they earn. 7 I want you to share your food with the hungry and to welcome poor wanderers into your homes. Give clothes to those who need them, and do not hide from relatives who need your help. 8 "If you do these things, your salvation will come like the dawn. Yes, your healing will come quickly. Your godliness will lead you forward, and the glory of the LORD will protect you from behind. 9 Then when you call, the LORD will answer. 'Yes, I am here,' he will quickly reply."Stop oppressing the helpless and stop making false accusations and spreading vicious rumors! 10Feed the hungry and help those in trouble. Then your light will shine out from the darkness, and the darkness around you will be as bright as day. 11 The LORD will guide you continually, watering your life when you are dry and keeping you healthy, too. You will be like a well-watered garden, like an ever-flowing spring. 12 Your children will rebuild the deserted ruins of your cities. Then you will be known as the people who rebuild their walls and cities. 13 "Keep the Sabbath day holy. Don't pursue your own interests on that day, but enjoy the Sabbath and speak of it with delight as the LORD's holy day. Honor the LORD in everything you do, and don't follow your own desires or talk idly. If you do this, 14 the LORD will be your delight. I will give you great honor and give you your full share of the inheritance I promised to Jacob, your ancestor. I, the LORD, have spoken!"
 
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Most of what is stated in the above quote does not even apply ONLY to believers. It applies to all men. It is almost exclusively refering to the work of Christ on the Cross, which was to reconcile the world, all men to God.

Faith is implied, based on other parts of scripture, the (washing of regeneration- baptism) and (receiving of the Holy Spirit - chrismation).
And in the last one Titus 3:7 is gives us the reason why Christ justified all things to God, so that we by faith could become heirs of eternal life with Christ.

This is why you are so confused on the issue of grace, works and faith. You do not even understand the difference between what Christ did for us, our belief in that work which justifies us, and our personal salvation which is all about imitating Christ, walking after Him. If we don't we cannot be saved. When one conflates what scripture teaches, one ends up with a lot of false ideas.
The very scriptures that are used to teach works for salvation are yanked out of context and out of verses that have been given unto SAVED, Scripturally Immersed church members as found in the writings of Paul.....

The Word of God is for predominantly for the saved as a LOST man cannot understand scripture (even salvation) as the word is spiritually discerned and the natural man cannot know, discern and or understand the spiritual word of God unless God gives them understanding.......
 

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Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Acts 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Acts 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
Acts 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
sanctified.
sanctified.
sanctified.
sanctified.
sanctified.
sanctified.

look up sanctified

it means obedient to every word of God

you will NOT get in no matter what you profess
you have to repent and follow Jesus
 

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HAHAH would that be instru-menstrual HAHAHH....HEY lets move this quote to the heretical Churches of Christ post.......it will fit right in there!
Yes, it would.

You are teaching a view that has been false since it was originated in the beginning of the Reformation. That alone hardly makes it the Gospel truth which precedes it by 1500 years. Most of what you have been saying cannot be found in scripture. Which is why most of the proponents of the OP have resorted to non-substantive assertions, personal attacks.
If you think you have a scriptural position you should be able to prove it by scripture, not by attacking other messengers. Scripture has ONLY ONE Truth. Not many and especially any that are derived by man's intellect.
 
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self righteous self proclaimed just say I am saved and the plagues wont hit me religion?

false
you will find out what kind of faith you have
repent
believe the gospel

the gospel is the same gospel of abraham noah daniel Jesus peter john and paul
they obeyed and believed

to believe the Bible means to do every word of it
because Jesus asked you too

ignore insane demons that call you self righteous
they will get their reward.

I love Jesus
I try to get as many people to wake up as possible

now
about you
are YOU a christian?
does Jesus hear your prayer?
here is a test

ready? hope you pass'
Really...concerning the bolded above...

1. Build an Ark
2. Sacrifice animals
3. Build an altar
4. Keep the dietary laws
5. cities of refuge
6. circumcision
7. How many adulterers have you stoned lately?
8. Give a tenth to the pastor and then more to support the work of the church
9. and on and on and on.....

Have you done enough today to warrant salvation?
 
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Is today the day Jesus was crucified ? is today the day for putting away past inequities ? call me a 7 day adventis if you like :) or a reformed baptist, what ever floats your boat
better yet. Is today the day for salvation.

It is the only way you can put away past iniquities (and future)

ps. I was a baptist :p

 

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SALVATION IS NOT POSSIBLE WITHOUT OBEDIENCE

JEsus said so




"And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be changed, obedient, purified, holy, listeners and doers of the word people through the truth." -John 17:19.

"And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are changed, obedient, purified, holy, listeners and doers of the word people ." -Acts 20:32.

"To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are changed, obedient, purified, holy, listeners and doers of the word people by faith that is in me." -Acts 26:18.

"That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being changed, obedient, purified, holy, listeners and doers of the word people by the Holy Ghost." -Romans 15:16.

"Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are changed, obedient, purified, holy, listeners and doers of the word people in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:" -1 Corinthians 1:2.

"And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are changed, obedient, purified, holy, listeners and doers of the word people , but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." -1 Corinthians 6:11.

"For the unbelieving husband is changed, obedient, purified, holy, listeners and doers of the word people by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is changed, obedient, purified, holy, listeners and doers of the word people by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy." -1 Corinthians 7:14.

"For it is changed, obedient, purified, holy, listeners and doers of the word people by the word of God and prayer." -1 Timothy 4:5.

"If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, changed, obedient, purified, holy, listeners and doers of the word people , and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work." -2 Timothy 2:21.

"For both he that sanctifieth and they who are changed, obedient, purified, holy, listeners and doers of the word people are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren," -Hebrews 2:11.

"By the which will we are changed, obedient, purified, holy, listeners and doers of the word people through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." -Hebrews 10:10.

"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are changed, obedient, purified, holy, listeners and doers of the word people ." -Hebrews 10:14.

"Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was changed, obedient, purified, holy, listeners and doers of the word people , an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" -Hebrews 10:29.

"Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are changed, obedient, purified, holy, listeners and doers of the word people by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:" -Jude 1:1.
 

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my bible says I am on the right track

I have to choose what you ahve told me or what Jesus told me

I will stick with Jesus.
 

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And, I don't think anyone here is saying not to work. They are just saying that you are saved even before you work. You work because you were saved, not because you are trying to achieve salvation.

When I was growing up we used to say things like, "What is someone died in the car on the way to get baptized?"

This is because we did not understand the word of God. You need to trust in Jesus Christ. Yes, you should be baptized. But if you were to die while going to be baptized or if you decided to be baptized next (day that your worship) and died before that day came you are still saved. God is not limited by our understanding or our physical limitations.
 

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The very scriptures that are used to teach works for salvation are yanked out of context and out of verses that have been given unto SAVED, Scripturally Immersed church members as found in the writings of Paul.....

The Word of God is for predominantly for the saved as a LOST man cannot understand scripture (even salvation) as the word is spiritually discerned and the natural man cannot know, discern and or understand the spiritual word of God unless God gives them understanding.......
empty assertions again. You have clearly judged yourself here. You have not shown any insight into actually understanding scripture as it has always been understood.
You are still plying your strawmen as well.
If you are going to argue scripture, present the facts that your view is actually scriptural.
 
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Yes, it would.

You are teaching a view that has been false since it was originated in the beginning of the Reformation. That alone hardly makes it the Gospel truth which precedes it by 1500 years. Most of what you have been saying cannot be found in scripture. Which is why most of the proponents of the OP have resorted to non-substantive assertions, personal attacks.
If you think you have a scriptural position you should be able to prove it by scripture, not by attacking other messengers. Scripture has ONLY ONE Truth. Not many and especially any that are derived by man's intellect.
Well first of all Cassius.....I did quote scripture and the accusations began to fly by liars who twist truth to their own heretical view...kind of like you.....MAYBE you need glasses to read or a new light by your easy chair....the truth I teach came long before the reformation....maybe you are a member of one of the heretical churches that has ties to the catholic church...I don't know for sure...if you want to trust your works then have a ball...good luck...

Many will come before Christ trusting in their WORKS as their right to enter heaven...Jesus didn't know them as they trust in their works and their water.....maybe you fit that bill!
 
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empty assertions again. You have clearly judged yourself here. You have not shown any insight into actually understanding scripture as it has always been understood.
You are still plying your strawmen as well.
If you are going to argue scripture, present the facts that your view is actually scriptural.
All I see is you flapping your lips with no scripture to back anything......

SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!
To teach salvation based upon your own works is heretical!....

1. NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HAS HE SAVED US
2. IN THE GRACE YOU ARE, HAVING BEEN SAVED OUT OF FAITH, NOT OF WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST
3. IF YOU BELIEVE WITH YOUR MIND AND CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH....THOU SHALT BE SAVED!
4. Galatians chapters 1, 3--->Faith plus works =false heretical doctrine with no ability to save!
5. Romans 8:1 NO CONDEMNATION FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST---LAST PART OF VERSE ADDED AND NOT IN ORIGINAL TEXT
6. DAVID AND ABRAHAM--->DESCRIBE ACURATELY THAT GRACE AND SALVATION AND RIGHTEOUSNESS IMPUTED UNTO MAN WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW<----WORKS
7. NUMEROUS SCRIPTURES THAT POINT ONLY TO FAITH (BELIEF) FOR TOTAL SALVATION

I hope you unbelievers have enough works and that your works exceed the PHARISEES in righteousness and that you are not 1 work short.....NO HOPE OR ASSURANCE IN WORKS!​
 
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And, I don't think anyone here is saying not to work. They are just saying that you are saved even before you work. You work because you were saved, not because you are trying to achieve salvation.

When I was growing up we used to say things like, "What is someone died in the car on the way to get baptized?"

This is because we did not understand the word of God. You need to trust in Jesus Christ. Yes, you should be baptized. But if you were to die while going to be baptized or if you decided to be baptized next (day that your worship) and died before that day came you are still saved. God is not limited by our understanding or our physical limitations.
Amen and the bolded is correct..........
 
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God has not given us a spirit of fear. But an abba father.

Why do you fear, when God says do not fear. but go to him as a dad?

The moment we start calling Him 'daddy' from the depths of our hearts,He comes with Healing:)
Tears of Joy comes out even from the greatest stone hearted person then.

He is Aways Love and we change to better because of that.

Sometime back(in college) one of my hindu classmate told me that one of his neighbors became christian.And then he mocked Christianity and that 'changed man - born again' till that class was over.i held my patience.
And he stopped mocking as the period was over,and i asked him 'how was that man before coming to Christ'.And without realizing that he was falling for his own mockery he told 'oh! i forgot he was a trouble some drunkard before that...and now he has stopped drinking'.
i just calmly looked at his face.he couldn't look straight at my face realizing what he told.

God's Grace is supernatural and changes a person by getting to the roots of his/her prob and washes us clean.Even if there is a need for continuous cleaning.
Such an amazing Grace :)

Sometime back(70s),a Pastor who went to Africa and lived near areas where cannibals lived, said in his testimony that when revival came to that place,...there was a champion of one of the local tribes(who had skulls of people whom he killed in death fights and kept them in his house as trophies) who also came to Repentance.He cried out realizing that he was a wretched sinner and there is no way he can justify for what he did.

He cried before this pastor saying 'no one will love me'.Hearing his innocent cry the Pastor embraced him and said 'Jesus Loves you'.That man later Served God mightily.

There are millions of unheard stories like this in everyday life till the day Christ comes in Glory to Gather His Saints as the Trumpet sounds which can only be heard by such who deeply Love him and take Cross to follow Him daily,no matter what the trouble..even rejecting the self condemnation that creeps in sometimes.(Book of Romans)

Its the self righteous that stays in their chair and never realize what they miss..
Pray for them also is what i have Learned.Everyone needs Grace of God.:)
 
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my bible says I am on the right track

I have to choose what you ahve told me or what Jesus told me

I will stick with Jesus.

hmm. I see your like the rest, and ignore questions..

again i ask..

so you have eternal life

You have passed from death to life

You have been forgiven ALL tresspasses (past present and future)

You have been given the spirit of God as a guarantee, and been sealed by this same spirit.

You have Gods promise he WILL raise you on the last day?

etc etc??
 
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hmm. I see your like the rest, and ignore questions..

again i ask..

so you have eternal life

You have passed from death to life

You have been forgiven ALL tresspasses (past present and future)

You have been given the spirit of God as a guarantee, and been sealed by this same spirit.

You have Gods promise he WILL raise you on the last day?

etc etc??
AMEN times 10......and I will add if you have trusted into Christ the way the bible prescribes......