SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!

[SeaBass]

Sea PERCH.........or is it MR. Twisty? Go peddle your heresy on your works for salvation post and if you choose to TWIST the word of God to your own demise then good luck....

So, how many good works will it take today to keep your salvation secure?

It is your twisting of the scriptures that I was untwisting...so you can call me "Mr Untwisty".

The bible does not give a specific number of good works but a Christian is to do good works as he has opportunity, God before ordained Christians walk in good works. The bible is very clear that a Christian will be lost without doing any good works, Matt 25

 

[JaumeJ]

Mat 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

Mat 25:15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

Mat 25:16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.

Mat 25:17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

Mat 25:18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

Mat 25:19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

Mat 25:20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

Mat 25:21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Mat 25:22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

Mat 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Mat 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

Mat 25:25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

Mat 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

Mat 25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Mat 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

Mat 25:29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

Mat 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

 

[SeaBass]

Works------>do not, cannot save as they are evidence OF SALVATION

You here are contradicting your own thread.

According to what you posted here, one must have works for those works are proof he has been saved. Yet if one has no works, those lack of works proves he is NOT SAVED. In all of your twisting, you twisted yourself into a self-contradicting knot.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You here are contradicting your own thread.

According to what you posted here, one must have works for those works are proof he has been saved. Yet if one has no works, those lack of works proves he is NOT SAVED.

So God is that inadequate that he needs us to work to prove to HIM that our faith is real?

Why do you think so poorly of God?

 

[Cassian]

Well first of all Cassius.....I did quote scripture and the accusations began to fly by liars who twist truth to their own heretical view...kind of like you.....MAYBE you need glasses to read or a new light by your easy chair....the truth I teach came long before the reformation....maybe you are a member of one of the heretical churches that has ties to the catholic church...I don't know for sure...if you want to trust your works then have a ball...good luck...

Many will come before Christ trusting in their WORKS as their right to enter heaven...Jesus didn't know them as they trust in their works and their water.....maybe you fit that bill!

The fact that you need to resort to these vacuous, empty, unfounded assertions show the paucity of your view. You have no scriptural evidence outside of either your personal opinion or that of some other guy, of the reformation. Sola Fide is a new cry of the Reformation by Luther first and others followed.
Citing scripture and then presentin one's opinion does not verify that it could be scriptural. Since you stated that the idea of being saved by "faith only" came before the Reformation, lets see your evidence. Instead of empty works, support it with facts.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The fact that you need to resort to these vacuous, empty, unfounded assertions show the paucity of your view. You have no scriptural evidence outside of either your personal opinion or that of some other guy, of the reformation. Sola Fide is a new cry of the Reformation by Luther first and others followed.

And this is your only argument. Not scripture. But what men tell you.. If you do not want to have scripture as your soul authority, the ONLY thing we have which is inspired by God and can be trusted. thats on you my friend.

Citing scripture and then presentin one's opinion does not verify that it could be scriptural. Since you stated that the idea of being saved by "faith only" came before the Reformation, lets see your evidence. Instead of empty works, support it with facts.

Read the NT. It is all over the place there. Just because men twisted it and by rule of an iron fist demanded everyone follow their view for 1500 years on fear of death does not mean they are right.

Your following men who killed anyone who did not believe the way they did (or at the least, jailed, took all their property, outcast them)

God did nt tell the church to do this, By this fact alone WE KNOW they are not from God. and made up their own rules.

 

[SeaBass]

Hook, line and sinker. Reel them in and then throw 'em in the bin!

This is what dcontroversial posted to my first post in this thread:

Sea PERCH.........or is it MR. Twisty? Go peddle your heresy on your works for salvation post and if you choose to TWIST the word of God to your own demise then good luck....

In other words, he had no response to what I posted other than calling me names.

 

[SeaBass]

A work is a work is a work.

Anything you do in which you can BOAST is considered a work by Paul and God.

Are works of righteousness the same as works of unrighteousness? No. Are good works the same as evil works? No. Are the works of God the same as the works of Satan? No. Are works of merit the same as obedient works in doing Gods will? No.

 

[SeaBass]

SeaBass, And and all your friends, do you all come to CC from the same sect? Because it's a little too convenient for words.

I am just here as a Christian spreading the gospel, as I do on other internet forums I post on.


Is this forum just for those with specific beliefs?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are works of righteousness the same as works of unrighteousness?

No.

One is done out of a carnal mind (self motivated, or self righteousness. in order to merit something)

One is done out of love (in response to GIVE out of what you have already been given from God)

even though both works may be the exact same work.

No. Are good works the same as evil works? No.

No. See above.

I can do a good deed, and it be seen by God as an evil deed because of WHY I did it.

Are the works of God the same as the works of Satan? No.

No. But satan comes as an angel of light, He too can do a seemingly good work. But it is evil because of WHY he did it.

PS. A person who is NOT born again CAN NOT DO A GOOD WORK. All his works would be evil. because it is SELF MOTIVATED, and can not be done out of love.

Are works of merit the same as obedient works in doing Gods will? No.

No

One is done for merit (to earn something)

One is done out of gratitude (because you were already given something.

and you wonder why DC calls you mr twisty?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am just here as a Christian spreading the gospel, as I do on other internet forums I post on.


Is this forum just for those with specific beliefs?

The gospel means good news.

There is no good news in your teachings. You promote self and your good works. Not God and his great and perfect works. which the true gospel promotes

 

[notuptome]

I am just here as a Christian spreading the gospel, as I do on other internet forums I post on.


Is this forum just for those with specific beliefs?

I don't think what you spread is the gospel. I say that based on what the bible defines as the gospel. Deviation from the bible definition of gospel leads to unsound doctrine and the broad path of eternal destruction. Jesus said that if the blind lead the blind they both fall into the ditch.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SeaBass]

And, I don't think anyone here is saying not to work.

First, the thread title says one does not have to do works to be saved.

Your statement above contradicts the title of the thread. So does one have to do or not do works to be saved?

You are getting youself tied up in dcontroversials knot.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

First, the thread title says one does not have to do works to be saved.

Your statement above contradicts the title of the thread. So does one have to do or not do works to be saved?

You are getting youself tied up in dcontroversials knot.

Not everyone is so used to twisting things that they are as blind as you are.

telling no one not to do work is not the same as saying they MUST do work.

Some people do not understand this difference. Maybe one day you will figure that out.

 

[SeaBass]

So God is that inadequate that he needs us to work to prove to HIM that our faith is real?

Why do you think so poorly of God?

No, dcontroversial made a big knot and you are trying to help him out of it.

Dcontroversial said works are not for becoming saved but are done to show that one has been saved.


The implication of dcontroversials' words is this:

No works = proof one is NOT saved

works = proof one IS saved

He unwittingly made works essential to being saved...unless he comes here and backtracks, uses some verbal gymnastics to now try and say works are not needed to prove one has been saved.

He is in the exact same knot here that he and other faith only proponents were in over my thread.

 

[SeaBass]

No.

One is done out of a carnal mind (self motivated, or self righteousness. in order to merit something)

One is done out of love (in response to GIVE out of what you have already been given from God)

even though both works may be the exact same work.



No. See above.

I can do a good deed, and it be seen by God as an evil deed because of WHY I did it.


No. But satan comes as an angel of light, He too can do a seemingly good work. But it is evil because of WHY he did it.

PS. A person who is NOT born again CAN NOT DO A GOOD WORK. All his works would be evil. because it is SELF MOTIVATED, and can not be done out of love.



No

One is done for merit (to earn something)

One is done out of gratitude (because you were already given something.

and you wonder why DC calls you mr twisty?

Before you posted to me that works are works...

But now you changed direction for you answered "no". So we have it on "record" now you admitting all works are not alike. Which means when Paul, for example in Eph 2:9 said "not of works", he was NOT excluding all works for, as you admit, all works are not alike. Paul in Eph 2:9 was excluing works of merit and not obedient works in doing God's will. In Rom 6 Paul shows the necessity of obedient works and Paul does not contradict himself.

 

[Alligator]

You here are contradicting your own thread.

According to what you posted here, one must have works for those works are proof he has been saved. Yet if one has no works, those lack of works proves he is NOT SAVED. In all of your twisting, you twisted yourself into a self-contradicting knot.

So God is that inadequate that he needs us to work to prove to HIM that our faith is real?

Why do you think so poorly of God?

That's one of the silliest posts I've seen on this board.

 

[SeaBass]

The gospel means good news.

There is no good news in your teachings. You promote self and your good works. Not God and his great and perfect works. which the true gospel promotes

...and the strawman arguments start.

Exactly where have I said one must do Seabass' works to be saved?

The bible plainly teaches that "self" plays a role in his own salavtion, Acts 2:40; 1 Tim 4:16; Phhil 2:12; 1 Pet 1:22.

God's role was in providing a way for man to be saved thought Christ. Man's role is to obey Christ, Heb 5:9, to take advantage of salvation God has offered.

 

[SeaBass]

I don't think what you spread is the gospel. I say that based on what the bible defines as the gospel. Deviation from the bible definition of gospel leads to unsound doctrine and the broad path of eternal destruction. Jesus said that if the blind lead the blind they both fall into the ditch.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

One must believe to be saved, Jn 8:24. One must repent of his sins to be sved, Lk 13:3,5.

One must confess to be saved, Matt 10:32,33. One must be baptized to be saved, Mk 16:16.

This is what the gospel says and what I am saying.

 

[SeaBass]

Not everyone is so used to twisting things that they are as blind as you are.

telling no one not to do work is not the same as saying they MUST do work.

Some people do not understand this difference. Maybe one day you will figure that out.

I am just pointing out the contradictions (knots) that have been created.

The thread title is: "SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS"

See it? salvation ONLY possible WITHOUT works

Then dcontroversial turns around and says works are necessary to prove that one has been saved. That is NOT salvation being ONLY possible WITHOUT works, that makes salvation ONLY possible WITH works.