SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!

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there is a bias, and that is not believe in jesus Christ. everyone in the new testament is talking about what jesus Christ,did and putting his ministry to work.(in place as directed by the holy spirit) as I tried to explain, was we have to believe in jesus Christ, not god, but jesus explains to us there is a god. and the topic again is SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS! so without jesus, can we see god, as a father, or god that throws lightning bolts. so in short, no jesus no eternal life. (as they preach, death has been conquered, etc) so I don't set aside what jesus has done, or god, because they have had a eternal plan from the beginning. and believe that(jesus and god the father) will complete the work they have started in any brother or sister that believes jesus christ is lord .

if you don't know the starting line, how can your reach the finish line, competing by the rules. (paul run a good race)
question 1

I asked do you believe in jesus. yes or no.

the answer/ or asking people, this question is what the new testament church, is living for, and preaching about.
there is no other name that can save, but jesus Christ. again this is answered by question 1.
this is a personal choice.

No problem here. Sounds about right, but that isn't the issue. Works for salvation is the subject. Receiving Jesus in ones heart for salvation to me is a given, because Jesus is life.
 
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No doubt and I will make my stand in the faith of Christ and the eternal salvation and justification that comes from his faith and obedience!
[h=3]1 Peter 1:21-23[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

[SUP]23 [/SUP]Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


[h=3]2 Thessalonians 1[/h][SUP]6 [/SUP]Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
 
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Placing faith in your works is self righteousness and exactly what Satan wants you to do and it makes you feel good. Eve saw the fruit and it was pleasing to the eye and desirable. Works are the result of your faith In Christ and that is the cross.

Of course we are to do good things and of course we are to obey God's word, But you cannot obey God's word with out faith in the cross, cause if it were possible then there would have been no need for the cross. Salvation by works, say's exactly that, I can do it own my own and have no need of the lamb of God and that is demonic and inspired by demons and millions of Christians are deceived by it.
 

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And thanks for your reply.

Let's just agree to disagree on these matters, okay?

Okay. I will disregard the second to the last post you wrote to me. Sorry if I offended you, and thank you for bowing out gracefully. You are a woman with a temperate spirit.
When it comes to showing your views or beliefs, to someone who studies the word, it's not the easiest thing to convince them otherwise, is it? I speak for everyone concerning this, myself included.
Thanks again for your replies, I was challenged above my knowledge of God's word with some of the things you brought up.
 

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Okay. I will disregard the second to the last post you wrote to me. Sorry if I offended you, and thank you for bowing out gracefully. You are a woman with a temperate spirit.
When it comes to showing your views or beliefs, to someone who studies the word, it's not the easiest thing to convince them otherwise, is it? I speak for everyone concerning this, myself included.
Thanks again for your replies, I was challenged above my knowledge of God's word with some of the things you brought up.
No, you did not offend me. I enjoyed conversing with you, so much that I don't want to argue with you, because as you say, it's rare to change the mind of someone who studies the word.

And I'm sorry for overwhelming you with too many posts.

I thought maybe your excessive travel involved running a route.

You really are a super nice and intellectually honest guy, and I will still be conversing with you.
 

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No, you did not offend me. I enjoyed conversing with you, so much that I don't want to argue with you, because as you say, it's rare to change the mind of someone who studies the word.
Though I have enjoyed the same, and like you, I don't want to offend, nor do care to argue because of your sweet yet firm disposition, it is likely that we agree on very few doctrines. I'm guessing that you believe along the same lines as the baptists. I agree more with the full gospel.
What I have enjoyed is the fact that you really challenge me to seek God and dig in His word, yet without attacking one's personal character. I have noted that you, unlike most on this forum, compose yourself well. I know we all have strong beliefs, and anyone saying contrary to what we believe can stir up some hard feelings. You don't seem to get worked up like most. I suppose that is because you are grounded in the word. God told me years ago that He put me on a strong foundation, present tense, when I had no foundation at that time.
But the time is coming in the not so very distant future, that we won't care about many of these petty differences. We will unit and put aside our differences for the good of the other person and the furtherance of the gospel. I am convinced that persecution against the Christians is coming to the US within the next couple of years. There are too many signs pointing in that direction.

And I'm sorry for overwhelming you with too many posts.
That's no biggie, you're just a lot faster than I am, and it appears that you have done you homework and have all this info to memory. You truly are a very sharp woman. I, on the other hand, still have to look things up and seek God for the interpretation. I'm still learning and have no problem stating that I have a very long way to go. I also don't have a problem changing my doctrine or believe, if I see it in scripture. Believe it or not, I desire to know the truth, and if I see that I don't have something right, I want to change it. I care to admit publicly that I was wrong, but I will do just that then go on from there.

I thought maybe your excessive travel involved running a route.
What's this "running a route" thingy you keep mentioning?

You really are a super nice and intellectually honest guy, and I will still be conversing with you.
You really are a super nice and extremely intellectually honest lady, and I will still be conversing with you too.
So, if you're still okay, I will reply to that other post.
 

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Was being emphatic good sir and James clearly is teaching about a man saying he has faith to another man and the visible proof of inward faith before MEN is the works which Jesus does through us...

Paul on the other hand using both David, Abraham and the word he was inspired to write teaches that before God we are justified by simple faith......

Now...if you choose to add to the word then do so at your own peril mi amigo!
But adding a few words to that particular verse was perfect. I said exactly what I was thinking when I added just those two words. Don't worry though about my well being. God will not take my name out of the Lambs book of life for doing so. But He will hold me accountable to how I treat you and others.
What is simple faith sir? Is it just believing? Is there a difference between faith and believing. Does the bible make a distinction between the two? Are we saved by grace through believing?
Sir, I believe you are missing what James is really talking about. If you knew what faith was, you wouldn't see any contradiction or conflict to Paul's writing.
I am telling you that there are two different types or kinds of works that each are talking about. And what James wrote is in simple English, that even I can understand.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
I know you're trying to put it in proper context, but by trying to do so, you are missing what the above verses are saying. That being, that man is justified by works of faith and not by faith only.
Justification speaks of righteousness before God, unto salvation.
Paul speak of the same Abraham that James talks about, and says the complete opposite.

Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,


Paul is talking about the works of the flesh and of the law, while James is talking about works of faith and of the Spirit.
 

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The curse of the law is condemnation for its violation.

"There is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus."
(Ro 8:1)


By becoming a curse for us, Christ redeemed us from the condemnation/curse of the law.

He paid the penalty which the law required of us for its violation,
and now we are bought back (redeemed) from its condemnation (Ro 8:1) for that violation.



The curse of the law is condemnation.

There is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.


(EMTV) but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.


(ERV) But if you are treating one person as more important than another, you are sinning. You are guilty of breaking God's law.
What do you make of this verse? How do you read or interpret it?


God's discipline of his children is not the condemnation/curse of the law,
it is the discipline of a good Father.

Where did you get condemnation from the word curse? I have a different understanding of the two words.


Actually, the question is: do you have Scripture which states that those in Christ are under the condemnation (curse) of the law?

1) Mt 22:37-40: When Jesus gave his law, he did not attach any condemnation (curse) for imperfect obedience, as God did to the Mosaic law (Dt 27:26; Gal 3:10, 13).

Therefore, we have no warrant for saying there is.

2) Ro 8:1 "There is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus."
I think I should add one tiny thing to the verse you keep quoting, as it's not the whole truth.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
There is a small condition attached to that promise, and it would not only be incomplete by omitting the latter half, but I believe, incorrect as well.
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
I believe it is stated four times in chapter eight that way.

Well, it's getting late again, and I have to go to bed.
Thanks for being friendly.
Pro 18:24 A man [or woman] that hath friends must shew himself [herself] friendly: and there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother.
And you have certainly done that.
 
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A war of words gets us nowhere but you already judge me but I judge no man the word of God is true...
John 6:43-45

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will raise him up at the last day.

[SUP]45 [/SUP]It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
a war of words, who are you kidding. the bible was not wrote by me. and cornelious already speaks for gentile christains. peter never said repent and be baptised, you will find when he spoke of jesus christs life, and what he did, he was filled with the holy spirit. show john 3.16 to be correct. ie believing in jesus, got him the holy spirit and a garentee .



and 3.16 already said believe first in the son, jesus christ, to see the father etc. so you mix and match all you want, again prove what I say is wrong, and not what you think, only proves your in judgement. and far from the mark of this topic.
 
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No problem here. Sounds about right, but that isn't the issue. Works for salvation is the subject. Receiving Jesus in ones heart for salvation to me is a given, because Jesus is life.
no work is required , I stick to me earlier post, signed, sealed, and delivered.
learning from the holy spirit, is not work. like your parents, they loved you, ie feed you, dressed you, and taught you how to speak etc. because of love, and family.

when you except jesus as lord, you join his family. its his love that teaches and guides you.

SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS! is the topic. lol Works for salvation is the subject(your post)
 
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But adding a few words to that particular verse was perfect. I said exactly what I was thinking when I added just those two words. Don't worry though about my well being. God will not take my name out of the Lambs book of life for doing so. But He will hold me accountable to how I treat you and others.
What is simple faith sir? Is it just believing? Is there a difference between faith and believing. Does the bible make a distinction between the two? Are we saved by grace through believing?
Sir, I believe you are missing what James is really talking about. If you knew what faith was, you wouldn't see any contradiction or conflict to Paul's writing.
I am telling you that there are two different types or kinds of works that each are talking about. And what James wrote is in simple English, that even I can understand.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
I know you're trying to put it in proper context, but by trying to do so, you are missing what the above verses are saying. That being, that man is justified by works of faith and not by faith only.
Justification speaks of righteousness before God, unto salvation.
Paul speak of the same Abraham that James talks about, and says the complete opposite.
Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,


Paul is talking about the works of the flesh and of the law, while James is talking about works of faith and of the Spirit.
You monolog changes nothing as you miss two simple points....

1. Romans-->Justification before GOD by faith
2. James--->Faith found in number 1 Justified before MEN by our works.

You fail to see the simplicity that is found in Christ while perverting the simple gospel message and in doing so you muddy the (waters) of the simple truth found in numbers 1 and 2 above!
 
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a war of words, who are you kidding. the bible was not wrote by me. and cornelious already speaks for gentile christains. peter never said repent and be baptised, you will find when he spoke of jesus christs life, and what he did, he was filled with the holy spirit. show john 3.16 to be correct. ie believing in jesus, got him the holy spirit and a garentee .



and 3.16 already said believe first in the son, jesus christ, to see the father etc. so you mix and match all you want, again prove what I say is wrong, and not what you think, only proves your in judgement. and far from the mark of this topic.
I agree with this assessment for sure!
 
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a war of words, who are you kidding. the bible was not wrote by me. and cornelious already speaks for gentile christains. peter never said repent and be baptised, you will find when he spoke of jesus christs life, and what he did, he was filled with the holy spirit. show john 3.16 to be correct. ie believing in jesus, got him the holy spirit and a garentee .



and 3.16 already said believe first in the son, jesus christ, to see the father etc. so you mix and match all you want, again prove what I say is wrong, and not what you think, only proves your in judgement. and far from the mark of this topic.
Maybe I am according to your words but 2 Peter 1 tells me otherwise.This is the proof of our love for God.
2 Peter 1
[SUP]3 [/SUP]According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue( moral excellence,it is shown by works); and to virtue knowledge (what you know, also shown by works);

[SUP]6 [/SUP]And to knowledge temperance( moderation,is shown by works); and to temperance patience ( bearing pains or trials calmly or without complaint it is showh by works); and to patience godliness (conforming to the laws and wishes of God, is shown by works);

[SUP]7 [/SUP]And to godliness brotherly kindness (kindness to your fellow men, is shown in works); and to brotherly kindness charity (. benevolent goodwill toward or love of humanity is shown by works)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
 

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no work is required , I stick to me earlier post, signed, sealed, and delivered.
learning from the holy spirit, is not work. like your parents, they loved you, ie feed you, dressed you, and taught you how to speak etc. because of love, and family.

when you except jesus as lord, you join his family. its his love that teaches and guides you.

SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS! is the topic. lol Works for salvation is the subject(your post)

No problem, you can disagree with me, but I didn't write James, I just quoted it.
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
 
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no work is required , I stick to me earlier post, signed, sealed, and delivered.
learning from the holy spirit, is not work. like your parents, they loved you, ie feed you, dressed you, and taught you how to speak etc. because of love, and family.

when you except jesus as lord, you join his family. its his love that teaches and guides you.

and tells you to do these
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

[SUP]29 [/SUP]And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

[SUP]30 [/SUP]Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

[SUP]31 [/SUP]And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

[SUP]32 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

[SUP]36 [/SUP]Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

[SUP]38 [/SUP]Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

[SUP]39 [/SUP]And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
[SUP]40 [/SUP]The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

that is a lot of things to do but you will say this has nothing to do with my salvation because it's sign sealed and delivered,but...
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46 [/SUP]And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

[SUP]47 [/SUP]Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

[SUP]48 [/SUP]He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
 

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Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
In James 2:21, notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham in Genesis 22 did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to save his soul, but it proved or manifested the genuineness of his faith. Abraham was shown to be righteous by his works.

Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Perfected by his works means bring to maturity, carry to the end, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. It doesn't mean he was finally saved/accounted as righteous based on his works in Genesis 22. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22, he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.

Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
The Scripture was fulfilled in vindicating or demonstrating that Abraham believed God and was accounted as righteous. Abraham was accounted as righteous because of his faith (Genesis 15:6) long before he offered up Isaac on the alter in Genesis 22.

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
What James means by "faith only" is an empty profession of faith that demonstrates by the lack of works that it's dead. (James 2:14-20). Paul, when he uses the term justified, refers to the legal (judicial) act of God by which He accounts the sinner as righteous. James, however is using the term to describe those who would prove the genuineness of their faith by the works that they do. I will show you my faith by my works (James 2:18). Works bear out the justification that comes through faith.

In the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the Greek word for justified "dikaioo" #1344 is:

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

God is said to have been justified by those who were baptized by John the Baptist (Luke 7:29). This act pronounced or declared God to be righteous. It did not make him righteous. The basis or ground for the pronouncement was the fact that God IS righteous. Notice that the NIV reads, "acknowledged that God's way was right.." The ESV says they "declared God just." This is the sense in which God was justified, "shown to be righteous."

Matthew 11:19 "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners!' Yet wisdom is justified/vindicated/shown to be right by her deeds."

So it is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony.*
 
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As I said before elsewhere, some have too much faith in faith and refuse to learn Christ. I am telling you today you faith means nothing if you do not obey Christ and learn of him.[h=3]1 Corinthians 13[/h]King James Version (KJV)


13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.




.Full Definition of CHARITY
1

: benevolent goodwill toward or love of humanity

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a : generosity and helpfulness especially toward the needy or suffering; also : aid given to those in need
 
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Thanks... As I have read it, translated it, studied it and acknowledge it as the word of God through Peter and it lays out a correct path to spiritual maturity for someone who is already SAVED!
 
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In James 2:21, notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham in Genesis 22 did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to save his soul, but it proved or manifested the genuineness of his faith. Abraham was shown to be righteous by his works.



Perfected by his works means bring to maturity, carry to the end, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. It doesn't mean he was finally saved/accounted as righteous based on his works in Genesis 22. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22, he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.



The Scripture was fulfilled in vindicating or demonstrating that Abraham believed God and was accounted as righteous. Abraham was accounted as righteous because of his faith (Genesis 15:6) long before he offered up Isaac on the alter in Genesis 22.



What James means by "faith only" is an empty profession of faith that demonstrates by the lack of works that it's dead. (James 2:14-20). Paul, when he uses the term justified, refers to the legal (judicial) act of God by which He accounts the sinner as righteous. James, however is using the term to describe those who would prove the genuineness of their faith by the works that they do. I will show you my faith by my works (James 2:18). Works bear out the justification that comes through faith.

In the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the Greek word for justified "dikaioo" #1344 is:

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

God is said to have been justified by those who were baptized by John the Baptist (Luke 7:29). This act pronounced or declared God to be righteous. It did not make him righteous. The basis or ground for the pronouncement was the fact that God IS righteous. Notice that the NIV reads, "acknowledged that God's way was right.." The ESV says they "declared God just." This is the sense in which God was justified, "shown to be righteous."

Matthew 11:19 "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners!' Yet wisdom is justified/vindicated/shown to be right by her deeds."

So it is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony.*
Faith--->produces works and no one disputes this truth as the contention is....

Do works save us and or add to our salvation? and the answer is no......!

Works do not, cannot and will not------>produce salvation ever as man's eternal salvation is complete in Christ and his eternal perfect faith unto those who exercise biblical faith into the completed work of Christ...!