Sanctification

[Skinski7]

Paul isn't speaking of "cleansing yourself of sin" as Mikko implied. That is impossible. Only Christ can do that, and as I said, He's already done it, on the cross.

Christ did not cleanse anyone of sin on the cross.

The cross is the means by which we can be cleansed if we approach God with a true heart in repentance and faith.

Peter wrote...

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

A Christian has purified themselves through obedience to the truth, a truth revealed through the Spirit, the result being unfeigned love out of a pure heart.

God has given us all things that pertain to life and godliness that HAVING ESCAPED the corruption that is in the world through lust we may be partakers in the divine nature. The result of partaking in the divine nature is love out of a pure heart.

2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

This deception of a "provisional salvation" which somehow someone receives because they "trust in Jesus" is totally devoid of any dynamic which produces purity of heart. People purportedly saved under this lie remain in a corrupted and inwardly wicked state. The salvation they believe in is imaginary and that is why not a single one of them have any testimony of their hearts having been purified by faith. None of these people have any testimony of laying aside all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness and receiving the implanted word and thus being a hearer and doer of the word.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I attempted to reason with you but you have just brushed aside every question I asked and have ignored all the points I made.

The free gift is "grace through faith" (a dynamic by which we are quickened) which is the opportunity to be cleansed of our sins and made inwardly pure.

Find that which I've emboldened and underlined in the Bible for me, will you, please? It's gonna take you a long, long time, so I'll wait. Let me know when you give up.

To put that in plain English, that's heresy. It isn't the "opportunity" -- it is, upon acceptance of God's invitation into it, the very cleansing of our sins! If you want the answers you claim I've ducked, you will read both my lengthy posts with understanding. But I doubt that is possible, given that you obviously are not spiritually led, lacking the Instrument by Whom that occurs.

You've denied Scripture and continue to do so. The fact that you utterly reject the biblical truth of salvation through grace by faith alone clearly indicates you are not a believer, but a tare. I urge you to seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit who is not yet indwelling you to give you revelation that will enable you to believe.

Until such time, all you post here is drivel, uttered by one who does not know God. Stop masquerading as a Christian and become one. I'm done here. You need to join Jason and start your own humanistic-"divine" church, because that's what you preach and I'm sure it is what you practice.

 

[Skinski7]

Find that which I've emboldened and underlined in the Bible for me, will you, please? It's gonna take you a long, long time, so I'll wait. Let me know when you give up.

The Ministry of Reconciliation provided by Jesus Christ is clearly the opportunity to be cleansed of our sins, if it wasn't then Paul would not have compelled people to be reconciled to God. Reconciliation is not automatic.

2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

There exists the Ministry of Reconciliation (the means by which a sinner may be reconciled to God) and this ministry was committed to Paul, amongst others. Paul then contended to people that they repent and do works worthy of repentance (ie. a genuine repentance necessitates a change in conduct). Paul compelled people to "work together with God" lest the grace of God (which is freely provided) be received in vain or to no working effect.

The above is another passage which you won't address. I have raised it with you before but you just ignore it like all the others.

To put that in plain English, that's heresy. It isn't the "opportunity" -- it is the cleansing of our sins!

It is not heresy to contend that people be reconciled to God through working together with God.

It is not heresy to contend that people have to lay aside all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness and receive the implanted word which can save their souls.

It is not heresy to contend that people must not only HEAR the words of Jesus but also DO them lest their foundation be built upon sand.

If you want the answers you claim I've ducked, you will read both my lengthy posts with understanding.

I have read your posts and I have responded to them point by point and addresses every single scripture you have put forth in the responses I have made. It is you who ignore my responses and it is you who twist my words into something you label "sinless perfection" or "works salvation."

I ask you simple questions like have you laid aside all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness and received the implanted word, ie. have you forsaken all known evil in your life and yielded to God. It is likely you avoid such questions because you know you have not and the question is too direct. You want a "forgiveness of sins" premised on a mere "trust in Jesus" while you continue to be a worker of iniquity.

But I doubt that is possible, given that you obviously are not spiritually led, lacking the Instrument by which that occurs.

Says who? You?

You've denied Scripture and continue to do so.

You cannot demonstrate any scripture that I have denied. Not a single one. Go ahead, give it your best shot. All you do is allude to snippets of scripture which you have taken out of context. A recent example was your reference to a Christian's best efforts being "filthy rags" when the true context of Isaiah 64 is that of wicked people who have rejected God upholding what they perceive as righteousness, which is the filthy rags to God. The righteous deeds of those who love God are not filthy rags, to contend that they are is foolishness.

The fact that you utterly reject the biblical truth of salvation through grace by faith alone

The Bible does not say FAITH ALONE anywhere, in fact is says the opposite...

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Ephesians 2:8-10 is speaking of the working dynamic of "grace through faith" whereby we are quickened unto life, ie. Eph 2:5 (grace quickens).

Paul teaches that if there is no "working together with God" then the grace of God is received in vain (2Cor 6:1) and the context of that verse is "being made the righteousness of God in Him" (2Cor 5:21) which perfectly lines up with the "righteousness of the law being fulfilled in us who walk after the Spirit" (Rom 8:4). Clearly there is a working dynamic at play by which the heart of an individual is transformed from carnal selfishness into a state of unselfish love, that dynamic being "grace through faith" and not of any adherence to "outward works of the law" which was the boast of the Jews (see Romans 2).

Noah "worked together with God" building the ark. Noah's faith was ACTIVE and in Hebrews 11 we see that FAITH IS ACTIVE in every case, hence a faith without deeds is dead. FAITH ALONE is not in the Bible.

clearly indicates you are not a believer, but a tare. I urge you to seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit who is not yet indwelling you to give you revelation that will enable you to believe.

You can make all the claims and do all the urging you like. It is not I who is in opposition to the Bible, it is not I who does not have a testimony of laying aside all known wickedness. it is not I who deny heart purity in salvation.

Look at every single post you ever make. Have you EVER contended for heart purity? Why not?

Jesus plainly taught that it is the pure in heart that will see God. Yet you contend that one is "cleansed of their sin" by merely "trusting in Jesus" and that laying aside all known wickedness is not a condition which God demands in order that mercy be granted. It is you who argue in favour of being able to engage in sin and not surely die, not me.

Until such time, all you post here is drivel, uttered by one who does not know God. Stop masquerading as a Christian and become one. I'm done here. You need to join Jason and start your own humanistic-"divine" church, because that's what you preach and I'm sure it is what you practice.

Of course you are "done here" because you cannot formulate a direct response. You have to contend that my words are "drivel" and that they are "uttered by one who does not know God." That way you can just dismiss everything in one fell swoop, refuse to directly address anything, throw our a little more rhetoric and a few more isolated, out of context, proof texts, and then go about your business.

Well I guess if that is what makes you feel better then get after it.