Saved by faith alone?
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Doesn't really answer my question, but I can read reference material.
I do agree that there is Faith and Genuine Faith as I have shown from the Text along the way somewhere, which I'm not willing to go find at the moment. Anyone can do a search in the Text and find the concept of "genuine" faith.
In addition, this concept of genuine faith has many descriptives attached to it once we go through all the mentions and concepts of faith in the Text and let God explain what it means. Trust is one of those associated words but most of the time it's being translated from the word that means "hope" and other times from peithō, as I recall, which is in the root of pistis. IOW, the translation is a bit suspect but worthy of some consideration as to why translators are sometimes translating as "trust". As you and I have both shown, trust is included in the realm of the word pistis.
I don't agree that the demons lack trust. The demons believe but are in rebellion and have no salvation open to them. It's this concept of rebellion and associated lack of good works, to say the least, that is the issue with the demons.
I think the case can be made that the demons believe, trust, have faith that God and His Son are who they are, but they are opposed to them anyway. Creatures can believe, trust, have faith that something is true and still oppose it for whatever reason(s) and/or refuse to commit to it.
This is why we have to let the Text define and explain what genuine pistis in God is and includes. And one thing it obviously includes is submission to God, which is what Jesus explained very early in His ministry that God was seeking in men per John4.
I do agree that there is Faith and Genuine Faith as I have shown from the Text along the way somewhere, which I'm not willing to go find at the moment. Anyone can do a search in the Text and find the concept of "genuine" faith.
In addition, this concept of genuine faith has many descriptives attached to it once we go through all the mentions and concepts of faith in the Text and let God explain what it means. Trust is one of those associated words but most of the time it's being translated from the word that means "hope" and other times from peithō, as I recall, which is in the root of pistis. IOW, the translation is a bit suspect but worthy of some consideration as to why translators are sometimes translating as "trust". As you and I have both shown, trust is included in the realm of the word pistis.
I don't agree that the demons lack trust. The demons believe but are in rebellion and have no salvation open to them. It's this concept of rebellion and associated lack of good works, to say the least, that is the issue with the demons.
I think the case can be made that the demons believe, trust, have faith that God and His Son are who they are, but they are opposed to them anyway. Creatures can believe, trust, have faith that something is true and still oppose it for whatever reason(s) and/or refuse to commit to it.
This is why we have to let the Text define and explain what genuine pistis in God is and includes. And one thing it obviously includes is submission to God, which is what Jesus explained very early in His ministry that God was seeking in men per John4.
The real issue is what does a measure actually mean because is it saying everyone gets the same measure or do some get more than others...?
But what we clearly should be able to understand from this verse in Romans is that God has provided the necessary means to believe in Him. Faith is belief and Paul explains God gave us what is required in order to believe, a measure of Faith.
But what we clearly should be able to understand from this verse in Romans is that God has provided the necessary means to believe in Him. Faith is belief and Paul explains God gave us what is required in order to believe, a measure of Faith.
The demons may trust in the fact that there is one God but they do not trust in Jesus Christ as their Savior. Big difference.
Trusting in the fact that God and His Son or who they are (James 2:19) is still different then trusting in Jesus Christ for salvation. (Acts 16:31)
Trusting in facts "about" the Savior to be true is still different than trusting in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. The latter causes one to commit to.
Trusting in Jesus Christ for salvation results in submission to God. Acts 26:18 - To open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. Believers have a new master.
Trusting in the fact that God and His Son or who they are (James 2:19) is still different then trusting in Jesus Christ for salvation. (Acts 16:31)
Trusting in facts "about" the Savior to be true is still different than trusting in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. The latter causes one to commit to.
Trusting in Jesus Christ for salvation results in submission to God. Acts 26:18 - To open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. Believers have a new master.
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studier, lol believing and faith are to me not the same. example one can believe they are going to a store, but when you go to start your car, it will not start, now you believe that you will not go to the store until you fix your car. lol FAITH is assurance! meaning that even though your car will not start you still going to the store! And so, you walk! Did you think when the Jews came upon the Red Sea, they believed they would ever cross it?? Moses Faith took they place of what others believed. (Exodus 14) The Lord gives the assurance of what others think cannot be done. FAITH!! (Hebrews 11:1!!) ponder this if you will my friend.
