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Lamar

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Psalm 58 verse 3 The wicked are estranged from the womb; the liars go astray from birth.

Psalm 14 verse 3
All have turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.


Psalm 51 verse 5 Surely I was brought forth in iniquity; I was sinful when my mother conceived me.

Psalm 52 verse 3 You love evil more than good, falsehood more than speaking truth. Selah

Psalm 53 verse 3
All have turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.


Isaiah 48 verse 8
You have never heard; you have never understood; for a long time your ears have not
been open. For I knew how deceitful you are; you have been called a rebel from birth.


Job 14 verse 4 Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one!

Job 15 verse 14
What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?


Proverbs 22 verse 15
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.


John 3 verse 3 Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”

Romans 3 verse 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 5 verse 12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and
death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.


Ecclesiastes 7 verse 20 Surely there is no righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.

Romans 3 verse 10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one.

Ephesians 2 verse 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh
and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.


Jeremiah 17 verse 9 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?

1 John 1 verse 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.
None of these verses implies that God's lack of intervention influences mankind's fate and there is nothing in them to suggest that man is bound to this fate.

God does not choose our fate, we do.

Cain was given a choice to repent by God.
 
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1 Corinthians 4 verse 7b; John 3 verse 27; Romans 9 verses 15-16 ~ What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did also receive it, why do you boast as not having received it? John replied, "A man can receive only that which is given him from heaven." "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
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None of these verses implies that God's lack of intervention influences mankind's fate and there is nothing in them to suggest that man is bound to this fate.

God does not choose our fate, we do.

Cain was given a choice to repent by God.
You seem to be under the impression that those verse were given to show something they were not.

Well, you are mistaken.
 
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Hebrews shows us people who were saved and experienced the Holy Spirit and life but decided to walk away and now it's almost impossible for them to ever return.

That makes me believe if you can walk away from God then you can be part of accepting God's offer to Salvation.
That's a misunderstanding of scripture.

It also contradicts Jesus vow. That of all whom the Father gives him he shall lose none. Not one.

The Hebrews passage you are referencing actually tells you, if you could walk away and renounce that Heavenly gift of Salvation and all that was transformed within you when you received it,there would need be another sacrifice needed to cleanse you again should you return.

That's not the case. There is no more sacrifice available.

Because those whom God called into his gift of grace,God called, not we choose to let him gift us, are eternally irrevocably his.

If you could walk away,if his first,and reverse all that transfigured your dead in sin self so to revert back into damnation, and return to that natural minded state incapable of understanding the things of God, that could call God's salvation and all it is said to be,a lie.

Jesus died once for all whom the Father gives him. And of those He shall lose not one.

You can lose faith in God.
God won't lose you.

Eternal irrevocable Security in His Salvation.
 
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Romans 9 verse 18; John 6 verse 44; John 6 verse 65; John 6 verse 37; John 6 verse63; Titus 3 verse5 ~ God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. He saved us because of His mercy, through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
 

lrs68

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Cain was given a choice to repent by God.
Amen!

God said Abel's blood cried out from the ground and then asked Cain where is Abel's?

At that point Cain was given a chance by God to tell the truth but he instead said, am I my brothers keeper.

Great point made.
 

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That's a misunderstanding of scripture.

It also contradicts Jesus vow. That of all whom the Father gives him he shall lose no e.

The Hebrews passage you are referencing actually tells you, if you could walk away and renounce that Heavenly gift of Salvation and all that was transformed within you when you received it,there would need be another sacrifice needed to cleanse you again should you return.

That's not the case. There is no more sacrifice available.

Because those whom God called into his gift of grace,God called, not we choose to let him gift us, are eternally irrevocably his.

If you could walk away,if his first,and reverse all that transfigured your dead in sin self so to revert back into damnation, and return to that natural minded state incapable of understanding the things of God, that could call God's salvation and all it is said to be,a lie.

Jesus died once for all whom the Father gives him. And of those He shall lose not one.

You can lose faith in God.
God won't lose you.

Eternal irrevocable Security in His Salvation.
Lol, no it's not it's a theological truth only denied by those who call themselves reformed.
 
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Amen!

God said Abel's blood cried out from the ground and then asked Cain where is Abel's?

At that point Cain was given a chance by God to tell the truth but he instead said, am I my brothers keeper.

Great point made.
Oh?

Did God require Cain to give an answer before God could know what became of Abel?
 

lrs68

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Ah, I see.
Far be it from me to think this Christian can call you out of your truth.
You can do anything you choose but those who have broken down the word in universities and studied far beyond the normal believer have made the conclusion to that meaning and I just happen to agree with them is all.
 

Cameron143

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Which area of soil throughout the world prepares itself? I have no idea what this question even means.

What is the parable teaching? For us to be good farmers and prepare our fields properly.
Just as we are to keep our lamps full of oil.

So what do you think that the Parable of the Soils means?
You are changing the parable. No farmers in the parable but God. We are soil. Soil doesn't prepare itself. It simply is.
God is a husbandmen. He prepares the soil.
The parable itself just compares people to different soils, and the responses and outcomes of being a particular soil.