Saved by Law?

[josh123]

The major problem nowadays is people just read the bible.. but you need to read carefully and listen and the only way we can understand the word is with christ in us, the word of god is the truth [h=3]John 1:14 so when we receive the holy spirit we will know what is the truth and what isn't because the word of god is eternal and he dwells in them that accept him When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 16:13[/h]

 

[cfultz3]

Adding to or subtracting from God's creation is sinning - that's what Satan does.

Is sin not defined as an offense committed against another, and specifically, against the Lord?

Was not the Lord's will offended by the things that Satan did/does, by the things we did/do contrary to that will?

It is said in Mat 6:14-15, "For if you forgive men their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if you forgive not men their sins, neither will your Father forgive your sins."

Sin is the acting out of evil. And evil, by its very nature, means, "of a bad nature". We both know and understand that God's nature is good, very good. Therefore, to sin is to is offend God's nature. To sin against another is to offend that person's nature. Sin is merely an act done to one in contradiction to that one's core nature.

Perhaps, you mean changing or attempting to change what God has foreordained in His purposed will is also a sin, seeing that it is contrary to that will? From my understanding, it is not possible for anyone, including Satan, to have destroyed or added to what God foreordained to be.

 

[resurrection33]

You Bettcha! Because of the pathetic bul____, oops, I mean English translation of THE SCRIPTURES (NOT in bul____,English)

But in Truth. HEBREW.

People actually believe that they are not under THE LAW/COMMANDMENTS. what completely delusional people they are.

Lets see; tonight, I think i'll go and lie in wait for some poor sucker, clobber him/her over the head, take their money and jewelry and if I get caught, i'll just say; I didn't do it, prove it.

This IS the theme of The 10 Commandments, the rest of the 7, though can be done in different ways; the bottom line worst violation of them, are about having the wrong Father.

They only apply to a person IF they don't follow the 2 Greatest Commandments of ALL.

The 2 Commandments that Our Father gave, the same 2 Christ/Messiah Confirmed & Affirmed.

Otherwise, if one doesn't love their neighbour (as much as one is able to, for it is not possible, if they don't let you) then rest assured, one is surely under the 10.

In reality, go to your neighbour, and start to witness what you believe, and see and feel for a reality, what it is actually like, to be persecuted, or snowed over with pretentious garbage. I Dare You!

I didn't read your entire post (I have a short attention span), but I think we are on the same page. When you sin, bad things start happening. It is better not to sin.

 

[just-me]

Originally Posted by just-me

Adding to or subtracting from God's creation is sinning - that's what Satan does.

explain to me what he said wrong?

Wasn't pointing this statement toward anybody. Just stating the facts. Subtracting, or adding anything to what God has given to us, and does for us is a clear cut sin. That's what Satan does to deceive.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

Receiving Jesus into our: spirit, soul and heart is to receive All powerful Love along with His character: life, light and the person of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is Grace upon Grace John 1:17and THE Truth in personal pronouns, trusting that they can and do awaken our consciousness to right(the Holy Spirit opening your consciousness to what pleases THEM) This is a growing process just as a physical child, But the reception of all three inside of us is the truth and the law did this not, Jesus broke the Sabbath so as to open hearts and souls so they would receive the new birth given to them by Him and for the sake of this truth of His position and power to do so, but the religious hated and plotted to kill and had Him put to death. To obey from the source of loving by agape love is the deterrent to not transgress the laws is put in us as our new nature, by divine Omnipotent Agape shed abroad in our hearts is give to the class of gentiles for a witness to the world of grace upon grace and the Truth given to us by Jesus' new birth in us not the Law of Moses John 1:15-17, 5:17-24, Titus 3:9.

 

[cfultz3]

Originally Posted by just-me

Adding to or subtracting from God's creation is sinning - that's what Satan does.


Wasn't pointing this statement toward anybody. Just stating the facts. Subtracting, or adding anything to what God has given to us, and does for us is a clear cut sin. That's what Satan does to deceive.

I understand what you are saying now, by you having said, "a sin" . Sorry for the misunderstand. I agree with you:

Example:

Adding = Satan added by saying, "you will know between evil and good".

Subtracting = causing us to loose not only Eden, but a person-to-person relationship with the Father in that fall.

 

[just-me]

I understand what you are saying now, by you having said, "a sin" . Sorry for the misunderstand. I agree with you:

Example:

Adding = Satan added by saying, "you will know between evil and good".

Subtracting = causing us to loose not only Eden, but a person-to-person relationship with the Father in that fall.

No prob. Consider the three temptations of Jesus, and the problems Jesus had with the Pharisees.

Exodus 20:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Mark 7:11-13 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

 

[cfultz3]

No prob. Consider the three temptations of Jesus, and the problems Jesus had with the Pharisees.

Exodus 20:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Mark 7:11-13 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Out of curiosity, would it not be better served to say, "what God has foreordained" instead of "creation", seeing that creation means, "to bring into existence"? And in foreordaining, He not only created, but also, made His will the end result of all things.

If not, please explain.

P.S. I fully understand now what you are saying by "adding" and "subtracting".

 

[just-me]

Out of curiosity, would it not be better served to say, "what God has foreordained" instead of "creation", seeing that creation means, "to bring into existence"? And in foreordaining, He not only created, but also, made His will the end result of all things.

If not, please explain.

P.S. I fully understand now what you are saying by "adding" and "subtracting".

Just trying to stay in line with the title of the thread. We could say God foreordained the law, and also salvation. I would agree with that. Adding to the foreordained salvation or the law would be a sin. If that were the case, salvation would not be real, nor would the law. Like a pharisee thing. ya know?

 

[cfultz3]

Just trying to stay in line with the title of the thread. We could say God foreordained the law, and also salvation. I would agree with that. Adding to the foreordained salvation or the law would be a sin. If that were the case, salvation would not be real, nor would the law. Like a pharisee thing. ya know?

Indeed, if not only the deceivers kind of thing. Was it not Jesus who said to them that they were doing their father's will?

Thanks for explaining.

As you said: that is what Satan does......

 

[zone]

You Bettcha! Because of the pathetic bul____, oops, I mean English translation of THE SCRIPTURES (NOT in bul____,English)

But in Truth. HEBREW.

People actually believe that they are not under THE LAW/COMMANDMENTS. what completely delusional people they are.

Lets see; tonight, I think i'll go and lie in wait for some poor sucker, clobber him/her over the head, take their money and jewelry and if I get caught, i'll just say; I didn't do it, prove it.

This IS the theme of The 10 Commandments, the rest of the 7, though can be done in different ways; the bottom line worst violation of them, are about having the wrong Father.

They only apply to a person IF they don't follow the 2 Greatest Commandments of ALL.

The 2 Commandments that Our Father gave, the same 2 Christ/Messiah Confirmed & Affirmed.

Otherwise, if one doesn't love their neighbour (as much as one is able to, for it is not possible, if they don't let you) then rest assured, one is surely under the 10.

In reality, go to your neighbour, and start to witness what you believe, and see and feel for a reality, what it is actually like, to be persecuted, or snowed over with pretentious garbage. I Dare You!

Acts 13:39
Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

Romans 3:20
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Romans 3:21
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.

Acts 10:43
All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."

Romans 1:2
the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures

Romans 1:17
For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed--a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

Romans 3:28
For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Romans 9:30
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith;

2 Corinthians 3:9
If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!

2 Corinthians 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours





Romans 5:1
Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

 

[RedTent]

Hmmm not sure what to make of this one. No one however can ever be saved by the law or jesus never would have given his life. And I always say follow the most important commandment as Jesus quoted and the rest will just naturally fall into place in your heart. we are not bound by the law anymore but we still have to follow it as it is an important growth step in our faith

When you say we are not bound by the law, as Paul said in Romans the 7th chapter, you must follow that thought to the end of the chapter or you get the wrong idea of it. Paul is explaining how the Holy Spirit works in us and what Christ and His forgiveness means to us. He says the law is good and holy, as just-me brought out, and he says we have salvation from the law through Christ and that we can choose to follow the flesh into sin or follow the spirit.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

We are to keep the Law of God to express our love back to Him, not to try to earn salvation.

 

[cfultz3]

When you say we are not bound by the law, as Paul said in Romans the 7th chapter, you must follow that thought to the end of the chapter or you get the wrong idea of it. Paul is explaining how the Holy Spirit works in us and what Christ and His forgiveness means to us. He says the law is good and holy, as just-me brought out, and he says we have salvation from the law through Christ and that we can choose to follow the flesh into sin or follow the spirit.

Let us, therefore, follow the Spirit to the Life, who speaks the Law. The same Spirit leading to Christ who says, "Do no harm", "Feed your neighbor", "Forgive", How proverbially He speaks to us.

 

[just-me]

Indeed, if not only the deceivers kind of thing. Was it not Jesus who said to them that they were doing their father's will?

Thanks for explaining.

As you said: that is what Satan does......

Speaking of the foreordained plan of God. It is a perfect plan. It is timed precisely in every detail. With that said, I opened a thread. It reveals timing. You might be interested, for it could be a shocking revelation to some. I don't think it will be to you however, but you'll find it interesting I think. Look at the thread; [h=2]Most of the 4 Gospels are part of the Old Testament[/h]
It appears that it's not real popular. I started it 7 hours ago, and it's already on te 2nd page. God bless brother.

 

[CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST]

The bible talks about examining yourself whether you be in the faith . The fulfilling of the law is loving our neighbor , and not just any ol way but with a pure heart fervently. People if God permit people can come up with all kinds of ideas and opinions of if they have the fulfilling of the law in their lives. What does the lord say about it and how do we know if we have this done in our lives?

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

The result of one having Jesus in them , they love with perfect love. They are not sinning . Not cause they are trying not to,but because its not in their nature any more . Their holy and righteousness because they received the gift of what Jesus done .

 

[josh123]

honestly everyone who receive the holy spirit should be able to clearly state what happens when they did and they should just know what is true and what isn't i will gladly tell anyone my experience of receiving that, i was fully in the world with all the unbelievers didn't want to hear anything about church until i got a near death experience and didn't know where i was going so i went to church the following day and gave my entire life to god surrended to him after i did this i felt this burning sensation it was so warm and peacful it covered my entire body and i fell to the ground didn't realise what was happening to me but then just like that i started to shed tears and it was like my soul was thanking god, just kept saying thank you god thank you god but i didn't know why, immediately after that happen i just had this incredible feeling of love for every single person in the world it was amazing i had no more urge to smoke drink party, seeing works of iniquity sicken my heart i wanted to cry when i see people living an ungodly life i got rid of all the friends in my life i couldn't stand seeing my house unclean and that wasn't like me, the only thing i could've think of is how to please god i would talk to people for hours on fb and other social networks about god and what he did for me, this is a personal experience that everyone experiences when they give their life to god mayb in a different manner but like that and guess what? i never follow any law to receive my salvation, all i did was have faith in god and accept with my heart that he died for my sins, that's another thing people are just like yea i know jesus died for my sins but they don't accept it in their heart that is the problem, anyone who does anything different than what god told us to do in other to receive their salvation are just showing forms of godliness. 3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
[h=3]2 Timothy 3:1-7[/h]

 

[josh123]

That is the power of receiving the holy spirit and there is alot of testimonies with people talking about how they are born again all over if you search

 

[just-me]

The bible talks about examining yourself whether you be in the faith . The fulfilling of the law is loving our neighbor , and not just any ol way but with a pure heart fervently. People if God permit people can come up with all kinds of ideas and opinions of if they have the fulfilling of the law in their lives. What does the lord say about it and how do we know if we have this done in our lives?

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

The result of one having Jesus in them , they love with perfect love. They are not sinning . Not cause they are trying not to,but because its not in their nature any more . Their holy and righteousness because they received the gift of what Jesus done .

Amen brother.

Leviticus 19:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Deuteronomy 6:5-6 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Good stuff man! Good stuff!

 

[zone]

The bible talks about examining yourself whether you be in the faith . The fulfilling of the law is loving our neighbor , and not just any ol way but with a pure heart fervently. People if God permit people can come up with all kinds of ideas and opinions of if they have the fulfilling of the law in their lives. What does the lord say about it and how do we know if we have this done in our lives?

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

The result of one having Jesus in them , they love with perfect love. They are not sinning . Not cause they are trying not to,but because its not in their nature any more . Their holy and righteousness because they received the gift of what Jesus done .

who are you kidding?
you don't love with perfect LOVE.

there was only ONE who did that.
it ain't you.

you sin, and you sin much.