Saved sinners???
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Originally Posted by 4runner
1st John 1
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1st John 2
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
You cannot use this passage to promote sin. Taking one verse out of context and trying to force it to say something it doesnt is the first sign of a deceiver.
1st John 1
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1st John 2
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
You cannot use this passage to promote sin. Taking one verse out of context and trying to force it to say something it doesnt is the first sign of a deceiver.
Isaiah 64:6 Our righteousness is but filthy rags.
1John 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
We have a dilemma here. So we must look deeper. King David, murdered, adultery. He gave into temptation and tried to cover it up, and paid a heavy price. Does God call him a sinner? No, just the opposite, God called him the apple of His eye, a man after His own heart. David was not a sinner, he gave into it a couple times.
Job was called a righteous man of God. Here it is, those who truly surrender to God are no longer sinners because they are no longer living in sin daily. But because we are not made perfect, there are times, in a moment of weekness that we give into a sin, and then therefore must repent.
In conclusion, we can live sinless for the most part, therefore fulfilling 1John 3:9, but there are times we fall and must repent, therefore fulfilling Isaiah 64:6. My 2 cents worth anyways. Shalom
1John 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
We have a dilemma here. So we must look deeper. King David, murdered, adultery. He gave into temptation and tried to cover it up, and paid a heavy price. Does God call him a sinner? No, just the opposite, God called him the apple of His eye, a man after His own heart. David was not a sinner, he gave into it a couple times.
Job was called a righteous man of God. Here it is, those who truly surrender to God are no longer sinners because they are no longer living in sin daily. But because we are not made perfect, there are times, in a moment of weekness that we give into a sin, and then therefore must repent.
In conclusion, we can live sinless for the most part, therefore fulfilling 1John 3:9, but there are times we fall and must repent, therefore fulfilling Isaiah 64:6. My 2 cents worth anyways. Shalom