Scientific Proof that all things came into being through the word of God?

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Aidan1

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We might look at a stone arch in the same way. How is it possible to balance so many stones at the same time and fit them into an arch perfectly without it falling apart? How was the keystone perfectly put into place? To the naive eye, we might make assumptions about how impossible it is to build a stone arch. But a stone arch is built around material that is later removed, left unseen in the finished product.

The human body is also built up by a guided process. Like the stone arch, there may be different supports that were in place in order to get the final product that were removed along the way when they were no longer needed.



I agree that evolution is not provable through conventional means but neither is instantaneous creation. Either perspective is consistent with the information at hand. The question comes down to which one someone finds more compelling. I see no contradiction between evolution and faith.
The human body you cant compare with a stone arche. The Systems from the body has to be there from the beginning of the life. Take f.i. the hormone balance, the electrolyte balance, the eye, the different between man and woman, the ability to speak a language.
There is no time for evolution.
 

ZNP

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Well this is weird, there is a portion of the Bible talking about delivering us up to our enemies and having us fall by the sword at our border and encoded in this section is Biden and Barak Obama, but it doesn't make any sense because it keeps saying the word "puppet" over and over and "bewildered, confused" What could it possibly mean? January 6 is in there as well as "rigged election" (what could that mean) and also the year 2021 is there.

 

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John 1:1 In the beginning [before all time] was the Word ([a]Christ), and the Word was with God, and [b]the Word was God Himself. 2 He was [continually existing] in the beginning [co-eternally] with God. 3 All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him not even one thing was made that has come into being.

In 1994 Doron Witztum, Eliyahu Rips, and Yoav Rosenberg published an article in the journal Statistical Science. It was entitled Equidistant Letter Sequences in the Book of Genesis. This article describes an experiment which seems to show a remarkable proximity between names of rabbis and their dates of birth or death in the Book of Genesis. These names and dates occur as sequences of letters in the text which are the same distance apart. As an example of an Equidistant Letter Sequence (or, more briefly, an ELS) , it was noticed several decades ago by Rabbi Weissmandel that the word Torah occurs spelled out as T, O, R, H (in their Hebrew equivalents) in the Book of Genesis by starting from the first T. The 50th letter after that T is an O. The 50th letter after the O is an R. And the 50th letter after the R is H. In this example, the "skip length" is 50 letters. It turns out that TORH is spelled out more than 56,000 times in the Book of Genesis (with various skip lengths). Genesis itself is slightly more than 78,000 letters long.
The editor of Statistical Science, Professor Robert Kass, made the following remark about the article by Witztum, Rips, Rosenberg in his preface to that issue of the journal:


". . . When the authors used a randomization test to see how rarely the pattern they found might arise by chance alone they obtained a very highly significant result, with p=0.000016. Our referees were baffled: their prior beliefs made them think the Book of Genesis could not possibly contain meaningful references to modern-day individuals, yet when the authors carried out additional analyses and checks the effect persisted. The paper is thus offered to Statistical Science readers as a challenging puzzle." https://sites.math.washington.edu/~greenber/BibleCode.html
To be honest, spotting a pattern in the Bible involving word count is hardly scientific proof of anything.
 

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Well this is weird, there is a portion of the Bible talking about delivering us up to our enemies and having us fall by the sword at our border and encoded in this section is Biden and Barak Obama, but it doesn't make any sense because it keeps saying the word "puppet" over and over and "bewildered, confused" What could it possibly mean? January 6 is in there as well as "rigged election" (what could that mean) and also the year 2021 is there.


curious: are you a fan of those books by Jonathan Bernis?
 

ZNP

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I'd be careful about that. :unsure:
1Corinthians 9:19 For though I was free from all men, I brought myself under bondage to all, that I might gain the more. 20 And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, not being myself under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 21 to them that are without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain them that are without law. 22 To the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak: I am become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some. 23 And I do all things for the [l]gospel’s sake, that I may be a joint partaker thereof. 24 Know ye not that they that run in a [m]race run all, but one receiveth the prize? Even so run; that ye may attain.
 

SophieT

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1Corinthians 9:19 For though I was free from all men, I brought myself under bondage to all, that I might gain the more. 20 And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, not being myself under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 21 to them that are without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain them that are without law. 22 To the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak: I am become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some. 23 And I do all things for the [l]gospel’s sake, that I may be a joint partaker thereof. 24 Know ye not that they that run in a [m]race run all, but one receiveth the prize? Even so run; that ye may attain.
I once knew a person who was a homosexual who said he was going to reach the homosexuals

I doubt Paul literally meant EVERYTHING

ps...I am certainly not saying you are a homosexual

Please note in the passage you provided, the emphasis of Paul is on the law....he is making sense. context is everything
 

ZNP

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I once knew a person who was a homosexual who said he was going to reach the homosexuals

I doubt Paul literally meant EVERYTHING

ps...I am certainly not saying you are a homosexual

Please note in the passage you provided, the emphasis of Paul is on the law....he is making sense. context is everything
Yes and the context of what I said was the use of Biology, Physics, Engineering, or Computer science in preaching the gospel.
 

SophieT

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Yes and the context of what I said was the use of Biology, Physics, Engineering, or Computer science in preaching the gospel.
well you say that now.................you quoted scripture with no context

well, good for you I guess. I'm not one of those Christians who eschews science etc, and I am aware of all the supposed biblical 'codes', but I think all the references to the OT and comparisons to events therein and then putting that mantle on currents events is over the top...which is why I asked if you had read Bernis' books...I haven't either but I understand the premise

Personally, I would say that we have a physical explanation in the OT with regard to the spiritual and the principals are the same

I did read some of your blog actually and you appear to have gone to alot of trouble
 

ZNP

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well you say that now.................you quoted scripture with no context

well, good for you I guess. I'm not one of those Christians who eschews science etc, and I am aware of all the supposed biblical 'codes', but I think all the references to the OT and comparisons to events therein and then putting that mantle on currents events is over the top...which is why I asked if you had read Bernis' books...I haven't either but I understand the premise

Personally, I would say that we have a physical explanation in the OT with regard to the spiritual and the principals are the same

I did read some of your blog actually and you appear to have gone to alot of trouble
This thread is about code breaking. I already pointed out in this thread that computer science was first created in order to break codes. Other posters brought in examples of using Biology and engineering in illustrating the truth of the Bible. That was the context, there is no need to repeat and reiterate what everyone is saying.
 

SophieT

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This thread is about code breaking. I already pointed out in this thread that computer science was first created in order to break codes. Other posters brought in examples of using Biology and engineering in illustrating the truth of the Bible. That was the context, there is no need to repeat and reiterate what everyone is saying.
oh please. unless you have become a moderator while no one was looking, don't waste you breath

as it is, I think understanding your reasoning has every bit as much to do with the subject matter as what you believe your op is about

we have all kinds of people here...even some who think the world is flat. others believe science is satanic. it seems you think your view is superior and will have a hard time with those who disagree. it won't fly here btw.

perhaps you are not comfortable with that, but, welcome to CC LOL!
 

Dino246

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God can raise stones into descendants of Abraham. It is hardly the case that creations must always reproduce their own kind.
What God can do is not the subject of discussion; rather, what God has done is.

"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." - Genesis 1:16 KJV

If Genesis is metaphor, there are aspects that are mysterious. One could speculate that it is a description of space seeding, but leaving it a mystery is just as well.
Genesis is not metaphor, and space seeding does not resolve the problems with evolution; it only displaces them to another location.

Days that happened in the Lord's time.

"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." - 2 Peter 3:8 KJV
When you put that together with Psalm 90:4, it does not say what you are using it to say. Both passages are employ similes, which Genesis does not when defining "day".
 

Dino246

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What is "scientific" is the method by which they determine that this is not "random" and the odds of this happening by chance are miniscule.
Yes, I get that. The statistical evaluation is scientific.

I think you have conflated several studies.
Probably; that's the way my mind works.

The initial study was done by rabbis studying the Torah and in the beginning they only used the book of Genesis. Since then many others have also entered the fray. They have studied historical figures not related to the Bible and they had a list of 300 and found all 300. That led them to think that perhaps everyone is in the code and you can now hire people to do a search for your name. Others have looked for events like the Holocaust or 911 or JFK's assassination. Those have also been found.

The limiting factor is this. The computer can easily search for a word say "Jesus" using every possible skip up to a 1,000 letters or more. What becomes very difficult is knowing what word to look for. For example, when this study was first done they did a search on Yitzak Rabin and saw that he was going to be assassinated. They warned him, he dismissed them, and sure enough a year later he was assassinated. The reason they saw he would be assassinated is that the word crossed his name so being able to read Hebrew you could pick it up and you could also find the year. However, after he was assassinated they were then able to see that the name of the assassin, Amir, was also there in the code as well. If you don't know what words to look for it can be very difficult.
That's my point: you can look for any word you like, in any sufficiently-large text, and you will probably find it at some letter spacing. Your claim that there was a control of 1 million books needs a citation.
 

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For those who believe, no evidence is necessary. For those who refuse to believe, no amount of evidence will ever be enough.

The Jews saw Jesus in the flesh, healing the sick and bringing the dead back to life. Still, they refused to believe. What will it take for them to believe? They need to be betrayed by the antichrist first before they will finally see that Jesus is the messiah.
Faith is hope in the evidence that is unseen. I agree with your estimation. There are those that believe without any evidence and those that do not believe despite the evidence.
 

ZNP

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That's my point: you can look for any word you like, in any sufficiently-large text, and you will probably find it at some letter spacing. Your claim that there was a control of 1 million books needs a citation.
True, since 2021 is based on letters of words you could almost certainly find 2021 in any other book. But once you do, what are the odds that on that same page you would find Biden, Puppet, Barak Obama, confused, feeble, Jan 6, and rigged election? That is where the odds go through the roof.(see post 42) This isn't about finding a word, it is about finding a meaningful collection of words on the same page.

But it gets even worse because the verse that this crosses is a verse where God says that we will be delivered up to our enemies.
 

ZNP

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Chinese Bio weapon with the word Wuhan three times intersecting it, Chinese Experiment, Covid, Tony (is that short for Anthony Fauci?), World wide (twice), secret (5 times), Deadly (14 times), Fear/horror, Nazi (twice), Adolf, Eichman, Holocaust (9 times), War, Obama (twice), Barak, From Kenya, Iran, warning,
 

Aidan1

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True, since 2021 is based on letters of words you could almost certainly find 2021 in any other book. But once you do, what are the odds that on that same page you would find Biden, Puppet, Barak Obama, confused, feeble, Jan 6, and rigged election? That is where the odds go through the roof.(see post 42) This isn't about finding a word, it is about finding a meaningful collection of words on the same page.

But it gets even worse because the verse that this crosses is a verse where God says that we will be delivered up to our enemies.
In which language? english? russian? greec, hebrew?