Secret Societies.. Are they real???

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DinoDillinger

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Do you believe that there are secret groups of rich and powerful people who have a plan for the world they are trying to fulfill?

If so, what piece of evidence actually convinced you?
 

Corban

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Do you believe that there are secret groups of rich and powerful people who have a plan for the world they are trying to fulfill?

If so, what piece of evidence actually convinced you?
Between 1978 and 1982 I became interested in the same question. My then research (without Internet) showed that there is a concerted effort by some of the richest and powerful people on earth to set a social and economic order to suit them. This plan embraces the following:
  • Reduce the earth's population by ⅔. The mechanism for this is by Euthanasia, Abortion, Famine and Birth-Control
  • The Elite would rule sovereignly under seeming democracy
  • The Elite would have a large police/military to enforce their sovereignty
  • The social system would be Feudal. That is, the common man would own no land but be tenants to produce the needs of the Elite
  • A cashless economy. The Elite would trade in gold and the rest would trade their services for their need
  • Religion and marriage would be removed
  • The only Church allowed would be the Wicca - the revering of nature
  • Already in the Middle ages this conspiracy existed and seems to be lead by the Rothschild Family of bankers
  • The breeding ground for this conspiracy was, and is, the Freemason Lodges at the higher levels (Scottish Rite 30 to 33rd degrees)
  • The Roman Catholic Church is the most powerful single player. Politics is made from the pulpit
  • The leading organization for demolishing economies is The Club of Rome
Already in the 1700's a six point plan was devised to control the people
  1. Control money by National Reserve Banks owned by private people
  2. Control Governments by lending them money
  3. Control the Press by ownership and by central news service (like Reuters or UPI)
  4. Control education by Government control and syllabuses (the same government of point #2)
  5. Control energy either by straight ownership (Rockefellers), or by owning the governments
  6. Control food by owning the stock exchange and later by genetic manipulation (seed from a laboratory not a farmer)
The government policies are controlled by Non Government "Think Tanks" like the CFR and the Trilateral Commission.

By Nixon's rule the obstacle of the gold standard was finally removed. Of the six points above, only point #6, food, is not fully controlled. The only good news is that the multiplicity of organizations and personal ambitions and disputes sometimes cause them to trip over their own feet. This Elite is terrified of the people. If the 95% get wind of this conspiracy and get mad, they cannot be stopped. That is why control of the media is essential.

Finally, whether people believe in a conspiracy on this scale or not, we Christians know four things:
  1. The age ends in 10 powerful kings giving all authority to a despotic king - the Beast
  2. This Beast will exercise sovereign rule over the whole earth
  3. Food and Services will only be had by a Mark of allegiance to this Beast
  4. There are Principalities and Powers under the rule of "The Prince of this World"
I am not fully up to date with developements as I stopped this research to study the Bible.
 

J-T

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Do you believe that there are secret groups of rich and powerful people who have a plan for the world they are trying to fulfill?

If so, what piece of evidence actually convinced you?
Evidence of the Illuminati can be found all over the Internet. They have accouncts on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and have their own website. What Corbon shared is correct. Freemasonry are the lower ranks 32 and below. 33 is what they call an honorary degree, but that is the degree they receive when they make a conscious decision to fully embrace Lucifer as their god. Freemasonry is the entrance point into the House of the Dead, and with each degree, they are slowly cooked alive as they are indoctrinated with all things of the Devil. Illuminati-Freemasonry is rooted out of the R.C.C., and as Corbon correctly pointed out, the Rothschild family are at the head of it. They own and control Hollywood, the News Media, Television, Video Games, and yes, even much of the "Contemporary Christian Music" industry. They are also behind many Social Programs such as Alcoholics Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous, and are responsible for the manufacturing of the R.I.F.D. Chip that most Bible believing Christians agree that is the forerunner for the mark of the beast. They are the deceivers deceiving the entire world. If you are a good researcher, you'll learn that a large number of Presidents, Governors, Mayors, etc, were Masons, and when you dig deep, you'll discover the legislation that was put in place to undermine the Christian Government that was first established by the Forefathers. Illuminati-Freemasons are witches/necromancers/fortune tellers, and so much more. They are the workers of iniquity that have the spirit of antichrist. A prime example of a Masonic President that did such a thing was Lyndon Baines Johnson aka L.B.J. who the "Johnson Amendment" is named after. That Amendment is what we call the Balaam Amendment because it forced Christian business owners into hiring infidels, such as those that follow after the false prophets such as the Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Mormons, Muslims, as well as other antichrist religions such as Hindus and Buddhists to list a few examples.

There was an Anti-Masonic Movement that became the third major Political Party in The United States of America in the 1820's. It was set up to keep the Masons/Devil worshiping Satanists out of any Office of Government. There was a great decrease in the number of Masonic membership during that time, and revival had taken place Nationwide to the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ! But also during that time, the Masons began to funnel their money into the Public School System, and after the Civil War, they began to slowly indoctrinate the youth, along with many other things too much to mention into this single post. But I will also mention that there have been a great number of Supreme Court Justices and Senators that were, and still are Freemasons. Furthermore, it is also very important to know that they are Anarchists, Communists, Fascists, and Socialists that have been feverishly working not only to blend religions, but with the hijacking of the Public School and College systems, they have recruited, trained, and educated their very own for the sole purpose of infiltrating and taking over every aspect of Govt., Schools, Corporations, you name it. They also infiltrated and gained high positions within each of the Church Denominations after the Civil War.

Today, we see President Trump being repeatedly attacked by "the Left", who are Communists/Socialists, i.e., Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, and so forth. Christianity is under great attack, even with it being recently reported that Governor Newsome of California outlawing Bible Study in private homes; the same of which was also recently done in Communist China, but China has taken it a step further to arrest all of the Christians there and to place them into Concentration Camps.


There is so much more I would love to share, but will share in shorter posts, if I am permitted to do so. This is Mystery Babylon deceiving the entire world. The best way to fully grasp these things, is to first be grounded in The Holy Bible, the evidence of what is written is what has fully convinced me.
 

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Once again, lots of claims but the evidence is missing.
I could post links to the Occult sites, but I am uncertain if the Forum owners and administrators would allow it. I will express that I have been actively involved in the Counter Cult Ministry for 20 years, and am most seasoned to be an expert on this subject. Regularly, I speak with Illuminati and Masonic members, and I assure you that I have no shortage of evidence; so much so, that I have challenged several via other platforms that involve the Mainstream News Media to set up either a National or International debate with the Mainstream News Media for the sake of making the case for the sake of the people of The United States and/or the World to put forth all evidence with the effort to call many to repentence in faith toward The Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.
 

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Once again, lots of claims but the evidence is missing.
Not really. Conspiracy is a fact of our daily lives. It happens in the office, in the local skeet club, at town council level and the higher one gets the greater the conspiracy. But let the Bible speak. The word "conspire" in its various forms appears over 50 times in the Old Testament. I reckon that conspiracy at every level of humanity is evident. Let us read the first paragraphs of Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike, Grand Master of Scottish Rite Freemasonry - a truly gifted man who is reputed to have read and written 13 languages, including ancient Chaldean.

Force, unregulated or ill-regulated, is not only wasted in the void, like that of gunpowder burned in the open air, and steam unconfined by science; but, striking in the dark, and its blows meeting only the air, they recoil and bruise itself. It is destruction and ruin. It is the volcano, the earthquake, the cyclone;—not growth and progress. It is Polyphemus blinded, striking at random, and falling headlong among the sharp rocks by the impetus of his own blows.

The blind Force of the people is a Force that must be economized, and also managed, as the blind Force of steam, lifting the ponderous iron arms and turning the large wheels, is made to bore and rifle the cannon and to weave the most delicate lace. It must be regulated by Intellect. Intellect is to the people and the people's Force, what the slender needle of the compass is to the ship—its soul, always counselling the huge mass of wood and iron, and always pointing to the north. To attack the citadels built up on all sides against the human race by superstitions, despotisms, and prejudices, the Force must have a brain and a law. Then its deeds of daring produce permanent results, and there is real progress. Then there are sublime conquests. Thought is a force, and philosophy should be an energy, finding its aim and its effects in the amelioration of mankind. The two great motors are Truth and Love. When all these Forces are combined, and guided by the Intellect, and regulated by the RULE of Right, and Justice, and of combined and systematic movement and effort, the great revolution prepared for by the ages will begin to march. The POWER of the Deity Himself is in equilibrium with His WISDOM. Hence the only results are HARMONY.
Whether you agree or not in regulation of the "BLIND force of the people", here it is, by his own hand, and for the highest levels of Freemasonry, that the average citizen, including you, should be regulated by men of "intellect". Now, see if you can find how many American Presidents were Freemasons.
 

Blik

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Long ago, in the Oregonian Newspaper there was an article saying that they saw Jimmy Carter go to a meeting in the Netherlands that they said was a meeting of the rich and powerful. This was when he was known mostly as a peanut farmer and they wondered if this meeting decided he was to be a US President.
 

Blik

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The church and the people have great power for good, more than the occult powers if we use it correctly.

A secular book that has influenced me is War and Peace. Everyone learns something different from it, but what impressed me was Tolstoy showing that dictators were the outgrowth of the thoughts of the general public. A study of what brought on Hitler confirms this. Each one of us who has given our life to the Lord has power in our world.

It might be only a Jewish custom to repeat this every day, but it is powerful and I love it. "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might. And these words which I command you today shall be upon your heart. You shall teach them thoroughly to your children, and you shall speak of them when you sit in your house and when you walk on the road, when you lie down and when you rise. "
 

J-T

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The church and the people have great power for good, more than the occult powers if we use it correctly.

A secular book that has influenced me is War and Peace. Everyone learns something different from it, but what impressed me was Tolstoy showing that dictators were the outgrowth of the thoughts of the general public. A study of what brought on Hitler confirms this. Each one of us who has given our life to the Lord has power in our world.

It might be only a Jewish custom to repeat this every day, but it is powerful and I love it. "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might. And these words which I command you today shall be upon your heart. You shall teach them thoroughly to your children, and you shall speak of them when you sit in your house and when you walk on the road, when you lie down and when you rise. "
Something that may interest you, and perhaps give you a deeper level of understanding is that Hitler, Moussalini, and Stalin were all Roman Catholic and took their orders from Rome. The Vatican is complete with all manner of Occult symbolism, including the Egyptian obelesk. Just prior to the C-19 "outbreak", which is a subject all to itself, the Vatican set up the image of the idol of Molech, the very abomination by which children were sacrificed via being "made to pass through the fire". Furthermore, it is no secret anymore that the Vatican also keeps an image of the idol of Lucifer in the basement, as well as singing praises, in Latin of course, to Lucifer, whom they blasphemously call their father, and the father of their false Jesus. Evidence of what I just shared can be found on the Internet using Google search, as well as YouTube search.

Also, Freemasonry is self defined as being the ancient religion of blending religions. Pope Frances, who's real name is Jeorge and one sicko that has been photographed of kissing babies on the lips, is head of C.O.E.X.I.S.T., and has publicly declared that all religions worship the same god, and there are photos and videos of him making this and other similar declarations, even while holding the image of the idol of Buddha in his hands. There is so much we can elaborate on here, but we can trust that even the King James Translators were absolutely correct in identifying the Roman Catholic Church as the Great Whore of Babylon, and Foxe's Book of Martyrs bears record of the great number of Saints that Rome has murdered.
 
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Do you believe that there are secret groups of rich and powerful people who have a plan for the world they are trying to fulfill?

If so, what piece of evidence actually convinced you?
Seems like this should be started in the Conspiracy forum. Wonder why it got approved for Bible Study Forum. Oh well.
 

MattforJesus

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Do you believe that there are secret groups of rich and powerful people who have a plan for the world they are trying to fulfill?

If so, what piece of evidence actually convinced you?
1 Timothy 4:1-5. God warns the saints of the new age movement, and their interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual provided by the New Age Christ, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher and love, and the Christ conscience came upon him, and he evolved to be an ascended master, and believe in no personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, the evolutionary process, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher, and they believe the Christ conscience will come upon him, and he will evolve to be greater than Jesus, and share this power with all people who follow him.

They will forbid to marry for a man and a woman for population reduction, and command to abstain from meats, reverence of nature, mother earth.

2 Timothy 4:2-4. The time will come the world will want to hear the Bible according to the new age movement.

Alice Bailey the biggest prophet of the new age movement, lucistrust.org, who was married to a Freemason says there is an inner circle and an outer circle of the occult, and the inner circle is the true church, which her husband agreed with her writings so he is of the inner circle of Freemason.

The inner circle is too extreme in the occult for mainstream society, so they put out an outer circle, a lighter version of the occult to get people to follow that, and they will lust for more power as time goes on.

When the world gets to the beast kingdom, and the New Age Christ claims to be God the outer circle became the inner circle, and the beast kingdom will come about.

Alice Bailey believes that Lucifer is a solar angel that did not fall in to sin and disgrace, but descended from Venus eons ago to bring the principle of mind to the then animal-man, thus the fall, and will help them to evolve in the future to be spiritual.

The inner circle only cares about themselves and believe they are elite and supreme on earth.

The inner circle is the secret society.

They do not believe the New Age Christ will help them to evolve, and have peace on earth, until the nations come together as one to work for peace on earth, so they are working on that.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

United Nations Agenda 21, 1992, 179 nations agreed to it, sustainability act, ecology, economy, social, ban the police, social programs work in the communities, put everyone equal.

After WW1, League of Nations, after WW2, United Nations, United Religions, 2000, working for peace on earth, leaders leave and new leaders take their place that can be influenced, and have different beliefs, so eventually they will have leaders that are all in agreement for a peace plan for the world.

The leaders are now ready to come together, but they have to prepare the people of the world where there is no dissension between government and people, people and people, and government and people.

Any conflicts between them like North Korea and America, and rising tensions between America and China is all a set up to scare the people of the world to want to come together for peace.

Agenda 21.

Ecology- balance between nature and people. Take all people out of the rural areas and place them in the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits. No local police force, communities have social programs, and everybody watches out for crimes.

If they cannot handle it the military will handle it.

Economy- everybody equal economically, and everybody only gets their needs, and no more wants.

Social- everybody is equal social status wise.

Target date 2030, and when every nation is going by Agenda 21 then the nations can come together as one.

The coronavirus as well as other pandemics to collapse the economies of the developed nations.

Stimulus check a pattern for basic income, and China bought Walmart which will probably be the one world store, and wants all made in China products in the store, which China might be the supplier to the world.

America built up China for a reason.

America will go to a new form of government by a series of conflicts starting with the coronavirus.

The government wants the riots and protests, and for it to get out of hand, and the Republicans and Democrats are working together, and want their fighting to get out of hand, so the people will get out of hand fighting over Right Wing and Left Wing, for that way the government has an excuse to go to a new form of government.

Which they will disband Republican and Democrat and come together as one, and have a balance between the 2, a soft communism, a hard democracy, and because they came together the people will come together.

And they have an excuse to crack down on the protesters, and rioters, and police the black communities on a federal level where they will be on the streets, at the stores, out side of crack houses, and breathing down the necks of rival gangs like the crips and bloods, and get rid of all crime, and then they can go to social programs.

And they get the message out for equality which is what they want.

BLM website, sustainability, and the same agenda as Agenda 21, so they are pushing Agenda 21 through the BLM movement, which is the start of it.

They will remove all public display of prejudice from America, and will be a hate crime to display prejudice in any form, even to the point of no fat shaming.

They will make it up to the Native Americans, and African Americans, which the world will be split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, which Canada, America, and Mexico, as super nation 1.

Wall, what wall, remove the borders, problem solved.

There will be a leader in Canada, America, and Mexico, but they will have a leader over all 3 as one nation, which they will probably give the Native Americans their land back in America, and Natives in Canada, and Mexico.

And it will probably be a Native American that will rule super nation number one, with all their land given back to them, and Mexico is half Native American and half Spanish.

They will probably let an African American rule America, and will make reparations to them somehow, but for sure the Native Americans have more of a right to have the land than the African American.

They will put everyone equal to prepare themselves for the coming centralized government that will be a balance between right wing and left wing.

But when the nations come together it will start off alright to many people, but it will get more strict and will become a totalitarian government, which is why the Bible says when they shall say Peace and safety sudden destruction will come upon them, for they are locked in, and will have to deal with the world if they rebel.

Which they are not giving them a heads up concerning this of them getting more stricter, and no heads up that they will not allow the preaching of anything contrary to the new age movement.

Which the New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East, and push the agenda of the new age movement.

Target date 2030, which the nations have 10 years to be compatible with Agenda 21.

But it might not happen then, for the original date was earlier, but the world was not ready at that time, so they could push it past that, but I doubt it for now things are moving fast.

1. Coronavirus, check.

2. Protests and riots, check.

3. Banning the local police, federal officers now handling it, check.

4. No escape from the coronavirus except everyone get a vaccination, RNA genetic coding, nanotechnology, nanochips, which this is now on the forefront of what to use as a vaccination, so they can begin tracking people in the cities, check.

Which will condition them for President Trump's biometric system for they are already being tracked, which is a chip just under the skin linked to satellite, a better tracking system and can track them outside of the city limits.

All information about the person on the chip including finances, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area and how close they were to the crime scene, and can locate people.

5. Go cashless, which there is stores that are only accepting debit, and credit cards, and saying there is a coin shortage, and they will slowly go cashless, check.

Especially since Walmart is the one world store owned by China, which they are pushing to use debit and credit cards, and not cash.

But then they can control people because they can freeze their bank accounts, and can use that against them if they do not take the vaccination, and tell them they cannot go out in public without a vaccination, or if they rebel against the government they can freeze their account.

When the nations are compatible with Agenda 21 then the leaders will come together for they will all have the same format as each other.

The leaders want to come together, but they have to work on the people to make them compatible as one.
 

J-T

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Seems like this should be started in the Conspiracy forum. Wonder why it got approved for Bible Study Forum. Oh well.
We can very easily turn this into a Bible Study, as this is a Biblical Conspiracy pertaining to Mystery Babylon.

I would suggest starting with Acts 15:19-29, with Matthew 7:13-27, Matthew 24, 2Timothy 3, Philippians 3, 2Corinthians 6:14-18, 2Peter 2-3, Jude, 1John, 2John, 3John, Revelation 2-3, 18 to be used in conjunction with Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Kings and Chronicles to help wake people up to the Biblical truth of the deceivers that have crept in unawares into the Churches to deceive from within, with Freemasons usurping positions as Pastors, Deacons, Elders, and Sunday School Teachers, as they hold and teach both the doctrines of Balaam and the Nicolaitans, of which has resulted numerous Churches, such as a Baptist Church in Florida to set up images of idols of Buddha, Confucius, and a false Jesus in their entrance, as well as leaders from all Denominations meeting with Pope Francis, begging the man that had the image of the idol of Molech set up, to "forgive" them and to take them back into Rome's fold.

Would you be interested in participating in such a Bible Study?
 
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We can very easily turn this into a Bible Study, as this is a Biblical Conspiracy pertaining to Mystery Babylon.

I would suggest starting with Acts 15:19-29, with Matthew 7:13-27, Matthew 24, 2Timothy 3, Philippians 3, 2Corinthians 6:14-18, 2Peter 2-3, Jude, 1John, 2John, 3John, Revelation 2-3, 18 to be used in conjunction with Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Kings and Chronicles to help wake people up to the Biblical truth of the deceivers that have crept in unawares into the Churches to deceive from within, with Freemasons usurping positions as Pastors, Deacons, Elders, and Sunday School Teachers, as they hold and teach both the doctrines of Balaam and the Nicolaitans, of which has resulted numerous Churches, such as a Baptist Church in Florida to set up images of idols of Buddha, Confucius, and a false Jesus in their entrance, as well as leaders from all Denominations meeting with Pope Francis, begging the man that had the image of the idol of Molech set up, to "forgive" them and to take them back into Rome's fold.

Would you be interested in participating in such a Bible Study?
Naw :cautious:
 

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Seems like this should be started in the Conspiracy forum. Wonder why it got approved for Bible Study Forum. Oh well.
Isn't one world government a Biblical theme for the end times?
 

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Awww, that is your choice, but I was hoping that you would say "yes" because this is a study that I enjoy having with other Christians, as well as with non-Christians in hopes of winning some to Jesus Christ for salvation. But since this is the Bible Study Forum, and if the Administrators would approve, we (myself and anyone else that would like to join) can have the study here anyway, and you are welcome to jump back in at anytime if you should decide. :)

P.S. I forgot to include 1Timothy 4:1-2, 2Timothy 4:1-5, and 2Corinthians 11 in my last post.
 
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All fraternities, sororities, freemasonry, and eastern stars, etc., are committing the sin of idolatry?

A Christian is not allowed to take secret oaths. If you have taken a secret oath by repeating it have you committed idolatry?

Oaths
33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ 34 But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.[a]
Matthew 5:33-37 ESV

But most of all, my brothers and sisters, never take an oath, by heaven or earth or anything else. Just say a simple yes or no, so that you will not sin and be condemned. James 5:12 NLT
 

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Not really. Conspiracy is a fact of our daily lives. It happens in the office, in the local skeet club, at town council level and the higher one gets the greater the conspiracy. But let the Bible speak. The word "conspire" in its various forms appears over 50 times in the Old Testament. I reckon that conspiracy at every level of humanity is evident. Let us read the first paragraphs of Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike, Grand Master of Scottish Rite Freemasonry - a truly gifted man who is reputed to have read and written 13 languages, including ancient Chaldean.



Whether you agree or not in regulation of the "BLIND force of the people", here it is, by his own hand, and for the highest levels of Freemasonry, that the average citizen, including you, should be regulated by men of "intellect". Now, see if you can find how many American Presidents were Freemasons.
Blah blah blah. That's not evidence.
 

Subhumanoidal

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If any of these Theories were true the best friend of these groups would be the conspiracy theorists.
It reminds me of an episode of The Office. Michael spread a rumor he later regret sharing. So to hide the one true rumor he fabricated numerous others. The truth was hidden among the various falsehoods.
A conspiracy theorist is more likely to be Part of the conspiracy than exposing it. Or to be the blind puppet. Either way it's damaging and amounts to nothing more than boy crying wolf.
 
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My view on this, which may not be the right one, is that the world is a lot bigger, and society a lot more complex than many seem to think. I would guess that the majority of conspiracy theories are not technically possible. They are fantasies that would not work in reality. They are fictional novel material, that can only play out in our heads or in a 2 hour Hollywood movie script where facts don't matter and things like technical constraints and reality does not get in the way.