Seducing spirits and doctrines of devils

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

But many who are still in the flesh will not agree with us, and even hate those who are of God's Spirit, as it has always been this way since Cain killed Abel. It was also many of the religious folk that persecuted and killed some of the prophets, apostles, they even had our Lord turned over to be killed. So it is of no surprise to me that this falling away from the faith is in full swing, and this hatred from the children of the flesh toward the children of the Spirit would also be manifest in the man made church system, as it was also with the carnal priesthood of Israel.

Reminds me of the time when the religious folks who thought they were doing GOD's will, falsely accused Stephen and then blew a gasket and killed him when he witnessed in the power of the holy spirit against them.

But some of those from the Synagogue of the Freedmen (as it was called), both Cyrenians and Alexandrians, and those from Cilicia and Asia, stood up [and] disputed with Stephen. And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the Spirit with which he was speaking. Then they secretly instigated men who said, “We have heard him speaking blasphemous words against Moses and God!” And they incited the people and the elders and the scribes, and they came up [and] seized him and brought [him] to the Sanhedrin. And they put forward false witnesses who said, “This man does not stop speaking words against this holy place and the law! For we have heard him saying that this Nazarene Jesus will destroy this place and will change the customs that Moses handed down to us.” Acts 6:9-14

“[You] stiff-necked [people] and uncircumcised in hearts and in [your] ears! You constantly resist the Holy Spirit! As your fathers [did], [so] also [do] you! Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand about the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become, [you] who received the law by directions of angels and have not observed [it]!” ​

Now [when they] heard these [things], they were infuriated in their hearts and gnashed [their] teeth at him. But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, looked intently into heaven [and] saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!” But crying out with a loud voice, they stopped their ears and rushed at him with one purpose. And [after they] had driven [him] out of the city, they began to stone [him], and the witnesses laid aside their cloaks at the feet of a young man named Saul. Acts 7:51-58​

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

In the new covenant we are reminded to focus on Jesus. Magnify Him and His finished work. His work has taken all curses away for the believer. God is not threatening us with curses anymore because of Jesus His Son. When you magnify Jesus you will see there is no curse coming our way.

The enemy of our souls is the one who preaches the message of curses. he is the liar and father of lies. he is the one who comes to kill steal and destroy. he wants to do what he has always done, cause people to look away from Jesus and to took at self. he got Adam and Eve to doubt God's love and all men fell. (By one man's sin) But Jesus was not fooled by the devil.

Actually God sent forth a curse upon the whole world, and it was directed at those who were hypocrites, those who steal his words and use them deceitfully for their own profit and personal gain, like your leader Mr. Prince. It was also directed at those who swear falsely by the Lords name, saying they are of God and of His Spirit of Truth when they are not, being hypocrites they are in truth the children of their father the Devil. So once again preaching a message of curses and warnings to a disobedient and rebellious people is right in line with God's word through out the Bible.

Here is thread on the curse the Lord sent into the whole world---->>>>http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/106833-cursed-children.html

Also the lie from the beginning was the serpent seduced Eve and then Adam into believing they could sin against God by not following His commands and still not die. This is the same lie Hyper grace cults and other false doctrines are teaching today. The lie today that brings death is the same lie as it was from the beginning, the lie being preached is you can sin all you want against God and His commandments and still not die.

The warnings are very clear.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Reminds me of the time when the religious folks who thought they were doing GOD's will, falsely accused Stephen and then blew a gasket and killed him when he witnessed in the power of the holy spirit against them.

But some of those from the Synagogue of the Freedmen (as it was called), both Cyrenians and Alexandrians, and those from Cilicia and Asia, stood up [and] disputed with Stephen. And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the Spirit with which he was speaking. Then they secretly instigated men who said, “We have heard him speaking blasphemous words against Moses and God!” And they incited the people and the elders and the scribes, and they came up [and] seized him and brought [him] to the Sanhedrin. And they put forward false witnesses who said, “This man does not stop speaking words against this holy place and the law! For we have heard him saying that this Nazarene Jesus will destroy this place and will change the customs that Moses handed down to us.” Acts 6:9-14

“[You] stiff-necked [people] and uncircumcised in hearts and in [your] ears! You constantly resist the Holy Spirit! As your fathers [did], [so] also [do] you! Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand about the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become, [you] who received the law by directions of angels and have not observed [it]!” ​

Now [when they] heard these [things], they were infuriated in their hearts and gnashed [their] teeth at him. But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, looked intently into heaven [and] saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!” But crying out with a loud voice, they stopped their ears and rushed at him with one purpose. And [after they] had driven [him] out of the city, they began to stone [him], and the witnesses laid aside their cloaks at the feet of a young man named Saul. Acts 7:51-58​

Ecclesiastes 3:15
That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

 

[lastofall]

[for me anyway] seducing spirits is to say: attractive ideas; and doctrines of devils is to say: modification of righteousness to accommodate sin. Such manner of teaching and preaching in many churches have deceived many, and "some have departed from the faith, giving heed to" attractive ideas and modification of righteousness to accommodate sin.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

But some of those from the Synagogue of the Freedmen (as it was called), both Cyrenians and Alexandrians, and those from Cilicia and Asia, stood up [and] disputed with Stephen. And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the Spirit with which he was speaking. Then they secretly instigated men who said, “We have heard him speaking blasphemous words against Moses and God!” And they incited the people and the elders and the scribes, and they came up [and] seized him and brought [him] to the Sanhedrin. And they put forward false witnesses who said, “This man does not stop speaking words against this holy place and the law! For we have heard him saying that this Nazarene Jesus will destroy this place and will change the customs that Moses handed down to us.” Acts 6:9-14

I just noticed something. Stephens persecutors called themselves Freedmen. They thought they were free, but they were servants of sin and satan. Ironic.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I am going to speak more on the evil spirit (spirit of a lie) and also the 7 other wicked spirits in Jesus' parable, which is also confirmed by Peter concerning the falling away from the faith. First here is the parable->>>>

Notice how Jesus refers to a whole wicked generation as “a man” and “ that man” (like Paul said) here in Matthew 12:43-45 “When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.[SUP]45 [/SUP]Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.”

Now notice the wording Jesus used showing the “last state of that man” referring to a whole wicked generation compared to Peters concerning this same falling away in 2 Peter 2:20-22 “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.[SUP]21 [/SUP]For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.[SUP]22 [/SUP]But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.”

Notice Peter mentions the proverb of the dog who has turned again to his own vomit. This will direct us to the 7 abominations the Lord hates, which I believe speaks of the 7 other spirits Jesus mentioned.

Notice Peter’s words that are drawn from Proverbs here…..

Proverbs 26:11-12 “As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.[SUP]12 [/SUP]Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.”

Now look a little further down in Proverbs 26 where 7 abominations are mentioned….

Proverbs 26:24-28 He that hateth dissembleth with his lips, and layeth up deceit within him;[SUP]25 [/SUP]When he speaketh fair, believe him not: for there are seven abominations in his heart.[SUP]26 [/SUP]Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole congregation.[SUP]27 [/SUP]Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him.[SUP]28 [/SUP]A lying tongue hateth those that are afflicted by it; and a flattering mouth worketh ruin.”

Now here are the 7 abominations listed in Proverbs 6…..(note froward means distortion, crookedness, fraudulent, deceitful)

Proverbs 6:12-19[SUP] “[/SUP]A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth.[SUP]13 [/SUP]He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers;[SUP]14 [/SUP]Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:[SUP]17 [/SUP]A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,[SUP]18 [/SUP]An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,[SUP]19 [/SUP]A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.”

And 7 are also shown here…..Titus 3:3 “For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.”

Condensed version in 3 here…

1 John 2:16 “For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

You know I was looking at the state of THAT MAN (but in respects to this unclean spirit) here

Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself,
and They enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man (anthrōpos) is worse than the first.

Even as he ends it with...

Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Here he uses a picture of a man to show the state of a wicked generation (and after the unclean spirit has left the man)

One unclean spirit (departs that man) only to return to the same house he left) + seven others (returning with him) = eight of them.

And this in respects to "that man" (anthrōpos, as some point out, but) = to this "wicked generation" (which is of many people) as Jesus points out and not just that man as one (but speaking of a wicked generation in that one)

He speaks of the "state of" that man (or rather the state of that generation) into which greater evil, or wickedness or what was unclean returning with far worse then its first state (which does somewhat ring of a house, or habitation or cage of hateful or unclean birds in the picture of babylon also)

But if speaking of this last state of a generation out of which an evil spirit has departed, and then again (after such a house was cleaned) several more such spirits (far worse then the first) coming back in with the last (which departed) would testify of their "condition" (or state) in respects to these evils (shown as 8 in all) there.

Paul speaks of anothers state also, for example, the sending Tim to report back to him something in respects to their own state, here...

He says,

Like Phil 2:19 But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timotheus shortly unto you, that I also may be of good comfort,
when I know your state.

He was always checking in on them, as proverbs 27:23Be thou diligent to know the state of thy flocks, and look well to thy herds. As such which give an account, taking the oversight of the flock of God if they so be it.

But then we see Paul fearing to find them in another state (growing worse) as Paul mentions them finding them (in such a state) as he would not (and he be found of them as they would not also).

And here in that visitation (in respects to their state) he feared to find them in these eight things

2 Cr 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates # 1 , envyings # 2 , wraths # 3, strifes # 4, backbitings # 5, whisperings # 6, swellings # 7, tumults # 8

That even seems to ressemble (somewhat) as to how I would imagine accordingly to the evil spirit which had departs a man (and in the singular sense of it ) But in such, as such a one as Jesus shows would likewise be in a "wicked generation".

And this in respects to such a one's "particular state" according to 8) as 8 spirits spirits (gathered togther) in one are shown. Or as the one returning into the house (which was swept and cleans first) but now with the seven more (and the worst of the worst of them) in the man (or wicked generation). At least far worse then the first.

Shown as 1 (unclean spirit) +7 (far worse) = 8 in a man (shown as that man or this wicked generation).

And these together in that man (or wicked generation) which becomes (in and of themselves) a sort of cage of similar nastiness (as such might manifest). Similarly shown closest to point (in Revelation) as she (Babylon) becomes a habitation (of sorts) in themselves and/or among themselves of such hateful birds or hold of every foul spirit (in that way) perhaps.

But in all those kinds of things where that man (and such things, accordingly) could be shown as that wicked generation, but in respects to such spirits (and their own particular state) as a dwelling place, as the same might manifest in those things equally.

This has been of some interest to me for awhile very interesting stuff, maybe not to all, but I have always thought so and interested, so thanks and God bless, peace unto you in Christ Bro

 

[BeyondET]

You know I was looking at the state of THAT MAN (but in respects to this unclean spirit) here

Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself,
and They enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man (anthrōpos) is worse than the first.

Even as he ends it with...

Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Here he uses a picture of a man to show the state of a wicked generation (and after the unclean spirit has left the man)

One unclean spirit (departs that man) only to return to the same house he left) + seven others (returning with him) = eight of them.

And this in respects to "that man" (anthrōpos, as some point out, but) = to this "wicked generation" (which is of many people) as Jesus points out and not just that man as one (but speaking of a wicked generation in that one)

He speaks of the "state of" that man (or rather the state of that generation) into which greater evil, or wickedness or what was unclean returning with far worse then its first state (which does somewhat ring of a house, or habitation or cage of hateful or unclean birds in the picture of babylon also)

But if speaking of this last state of a generation out of which an evil spirit has departed, and then again (after such a house was cleaned) several more such spirits (far worse then the first) coming back in with the last (which departed) would testify of their "condition" (or state) in respects to these evils (shown as 8 in all) there.

Paul speaks of anothers state also, for example, the sending Tim to report back to him something in respects to their own state, here...

He says,

Like Phil 2:19 But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timotheus shortly unto you, that I also may be of good comfort,
when I know your state.

He was always checking in on them, as proverbs 27:23Be thou diligent to know the state of thy flocks, and look well to thy herds. As such which give an account, taking the oversight of the flock of God if they so be it.

But then we see Paul fearing to find them in another state (growing worse) as Paul mentions them finding them (in such a state) as he would not (and he be found of them as they would not also).

And here in that visitation (in respects to their state) he feared to find them in these eight things

2 Cr 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates # 1 , envyings # 2 , wraths # 3, strifes # 4, backbitings # 5, whisperings # 6, swellings # 7, tumults # 8

That even seems to ressemble (somewhat) as to how I would imagine accordingly to the evil spirit which had departs a man (and in the singular sense of it ) But in such, as such a one as Jesus shows would likewise be in a "wicked generation".

And this in respects to such a one's "particular state" according to 8) as 8 spirits spirits (gathered togther) in one are shown. Or as the one returning into the house (which was swept and cleans first) but now with the seven more (and the worst of the worst of them) in the man (or wicked generation). At least far worse then the first.

Shown as 1 (unclean spirit) +7 (far worse) = 8 in a man (shown as that man or this wicked generation).

And these together in that man (or wicked generation) which becomes (in and of themselves) a sort of cage of similar nastiness (as such might manifest). Similarly shown closest to point (in Revelation) as she (Babylon) becomes a habitation (of sorts) in themselves and/or among themselves of such hateful birds or hold of every foul spirit (in that way) perhaps.

But in all those kinds of things where that man (and such things, accordingly) could be shown as that wicked generation, but in respects to such spirits (and their own particular state) as a dwelling place, as the same might manifest in those things equally.

This has been of some interest to me for awhile very interesting stuff, maybe not to all, but I have always thought so and interested, so thanks and God bless, peace unto you in Christ Bro

Looks like twisted metal of added words to scripture with a (personal view)...

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You know I was looking at the state of THAT MAN (but in respects to this unclean spirit) here

Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself,
and They enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man (anthrōpos) is worse than the first.

Even as he ends it with...

Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Here he uses a picture of a man to show the state of a wicked generation (and after the unclean spirit has left the man)

One unclean spirit (departs that man) only to return to the same house he left) + seven others (returning with him) = eight of them.

And this in respects to "that man" (anthrōpos, as some point out, but) = to this "wicked generation" (which is of many people) as Jesus points out and not just that man as one (but speaking of a wicked generation in that one)

He speaks of the "state of" that man (or rather the state of that generation) into which greater evil, or wickedness or what was unclean returning with far worse then its first state (which does somewhat ring of a house, or habitation or cage of hateful or unclean birds in the picture of babylon also)

But if speaking of this last state of a generation out of which an evil spirit has departed, and then again (after such a house was cleaned) several more such spirits (far worse then the first) coming back in with the last (which departed) would testify of their "condition" (or state) in respects to these evils (shown as 8 in all) there.

Paul speaks of anothers state also, for example, the sending Tim to report back to him something in respects to their own state, here...

He says,

Like Phil 2:19 But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timotheus shortly unto you, that I also may be of good comfort,
when I know your state.

He was always checking in on them, as proverbs 27:23Be thou diligent to know the state of thy flocks, and look well to thy herds. As such which give an account, taking the oversight of the flock of God if they so be it.

But then we see Paul fearing to find them in another state (growing worse) as Paul mentions them finding them (in such a state) as he would not (and he be found of them as they would not also).

And here in that visitation (in respects to their state) he feared to find them in these eight things

2 Cr 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates # 1 , envyings # 2 , wraths # 3, strifes # 4, backbitings # 5, whisperings # 6, swellings # 7, tumults # 8

That even seems to ressemble (somewhat) as to how I would imagine accordingly to the evil spirit which had departs a man (and in the singular sense of it ) But in such, as such a one as Jesus shows would likewise be in a "wicked generation".

And this in respects to such a one's "particular state" according to 8) as 8 spirits spirits (gathered togther) in one are shown. Or as the one returning into the house (which was swept and cleans first) but now with the seven more (and the worst of the worst of them) in the man (or wicked generation). At least far worse then the first.

Shown as 1 (unclean spirit) +7 (far worse) = 8 in a man (shown as that man or this wicked generation).

And these together in that man (or wicked generation) which becomes (in and of themselves) a sort of cage of similar nastiness (as such might manifest). Similarly shown closest to point (in Revelation) as she (Babylon) becomes a habitation (of sorts) in themselves and/or among themselves of such hateful birds or hold of every foul spirit (in that way) perhaps.

But in all those kinds of things where that man (and such things, accordingly) could be shown as that wicked generation, but in respects to such spirits (and their own particular state) as a dwelling place, as the same might manifest in those things equally.

This has been of some interest to me for awhile very interesting stuff, maybe not to all, but I have always thought so and interested, so thanks and God bless, peace unto you in Christ Bro

Yeah, I believe it is no coincidence that Peter used that verse in Proverbs 26 to point to the 7 abominations. I'm convinced that is what Jesus was saying about the 7 wicked spirits that would enter into this wicked generation. Just looking at the state of this world and even the state of so called religious people these days I would say we are there. It's like the full measure of the "man of sin" is being revealed in them.

Also look here in ->>>> 2 Timothy 3:1-9 “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;[SUP]5 [/SUP]Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.[SUP]6 [/SUP]For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.[SUP]9 [/SUP]But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.”

That last part is like the fools in their folly being manifest openly was also shown in Proverbs 26....[SUP]26 [/SUP]Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole congregation.[SUP]27 [/SUP]

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Looks like twisted metal of added words to scripture with a (personal view)...

Thank you BeyondET, I understand, I notice earlier when you stated you were leaving this thread you were having much difficulty.

Lets look at points as raised by yourself here and as my dad used to say, get Dorothy out of munchkinland into Oz and then home again if we can.

I am not sure I can, but lets look at your earlier post, you quote me showing the contex of all of this here and myself quoting just scripture in post #65

Notice how you just tell me what you think and then become confused at what is actually in the verse (read that carefully) since the title of the thread is conveniently located atop of that reply also. The words InSpirit uses there are out of what I am posting to you as I am showing you in 1 Ti 4:1 (which doesnt have a period until after 1 Ti 4:3) and the forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats is in 1 Ti 4:3 there (right there in plain view)

As with here earlier explaining why the forbidding of marrying is what Paul called it there in 1 Ti 4:3 as it pertained to the same in another showing Paul set LET (and not forbid) in respects to marrying as it can be a stumbling block to men forbidding it because of fornication (as Paul shows it to be the case in 1 Cr 7:2)

You seem lost on the connection between the verses

Even your question here saying, "Im not following the marrying (which is plain as day in 1 Ti 4:3 even in that context) which is the OP's title on this same thread. Rather then forbidding (as Paul shows) Marraige should BE LET (and for the cause of fornication) as leading one into the same is not a good thing. And so in that is found a doctrine (or teaching) of a devil is in the realm of the same as the context even shows

So I quote you again showing the whole thing together and ask you accordingly

Then you alo quoted me on a completely urelated post (which was not directed at you)

Post #74 here

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/136828-seducing-spirits-doctrines-devils-4.html#post2639231

And I make mention of it and quoted the same that way to both acknowledge it without bringing it in to further confuse you, seeing you have difficultly following along.

If what is plain before you in the few verses posted (in its context) while simply bring in Pauls other verse which shows marraige is let (verses forbidden) according to the same (this posted again and again and again and again in simple black and white this other will not be of help either I wouldnt think

That particular post is directed to InSpirit (who started the OP) and since I know he has the ability to see where it is I am coming from (while considering the same) I certainly would never expect that of you.

Because again as we can see in post #75 bringing the whole thing in here and submiting the question according to the verse (to help) doesnt, see?

Then you reply my post 71 here sayng,

And again its Paul speaking of it (even in the context of the OP) and doesnt have anything to do with what anyone else spoke, lets blow this up the first and last verse

The first verse (semicolon )

Follow it thru to the last verse (the is the period )

A doctrine is a teaching, that is what is taught according to giving heed to the same.

But lastly, you respond

Okay, so you left and called all of that crazy talk (I must agree I was glad to see that off) but I see you are back, but I will agree with you that if you couldnt receive what Paul plainly showed between what was plain (over and over and over again) then I will just have to feel good about being in good company with those who taught that particular connection in the same. Twisted metal is fine by me

Elmo has a cute bye bye song I was going to post it but this post is somewhat heavy with other things.

Unless you are staying, but I dont think its a good idea to further explain seeing as I left an example that it will likely not lead to anywhere but chasing ones tail in that doing.

But God bless you BeyondET

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Yeah, I believe it is no coincidence that Peter used that verse in Proverbs 26 to point to the 7 abominations. I'm convinced that is what Jesus was saying about the 7 wicked spirits that would enter into this wicked generation. Just looking at the state of this world and even the state of so called religious people these days I would say we are there. It's like the full measure of the "man of sin" is being revealed in them.

Also look here in ->>>> 2 Timothy 3:1-9 “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;[SUP]5 [/SUP]Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.[SUP]6 [/SUP]For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.[SUP]9 [/SUP]But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.”

That last part is like the fools in their folly being manifest openly was also shown in Proverbs 26....[SUP]26 [/SUP]Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole congregation.[SUP]27 [/SUP]

​

This will just have to do

For you, and a little jumping into the air and

Because I had always wanted to do that, if only just once

(Forgive me for overacting) LOL!

Wont be seeing that again (so dont get used to it) LOL!

As for your post on that, that that was pretty good, I didnt even catch that one, so thanks for pointing that out to me.

Peace God and bless you.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Ah shucks, well I would first like to thank the academy, and also all those who voted for me. LOL! Your silly.

 

[BeyondET]

Thank you BeyondET, I understand, I notice earlier when you stated you were leaving this thread you were having much difficulty.

Lets look at points as raised by yourself here and as my dad used to say, get Dorothy out of munchkinland into Oz and then home again if we can.

I am not sure I can, but lets look at your earlier post, you quote me showing the contex of all of this here and myself quoting just scripture in post #65

Notice how you just tell me what you think and then become confused at what is actually in the verse (read that carefully) since the title of the thread is conveniently located atop of that reply also. The words InSpirit uses there are out of what I am posting to you as I am showing you in 1 Ti 4:1 (which doesnt have a period until after 1 Ti 4:3) and the forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats is in 1 Ti 4:3 there (right there in plain view)

As with here earlier explaining why the forbidding of marrying is what Paul called it there in 1 Ti 4:3 as it pertained to the same in another showing Paul set LET (and not forbid) in respects to marrying as it can be a stumbling block to men forbidding it because of fornication (as Paul shows it to be the case in 1 Cr 7:2)

You seem lost on the connection between the verses

Even your question here saying, "Im not following the marrying (which is plain as day in 1 Ti 4:3 even in that context) which is the OP's title on this same thread. Rather then forbidding (as Paul shows) Marraige should BE LET (and for the cause of fornication) as leading one into the same is not a good thing. And so in that is found a doctrine (or teaching) of a devil is in the realm of the same as the context even shows

So I quote you again showing the whole thing together and ask you accordingly

Then you alo quoted me on a completely urelated post (which was not directed at you)

Post #74 here

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/136828-seducing-spirits-doctrines-devils-4.html#post2639231

And I make mention of it and quoted the same that way to both acknowledge it without bringing it in to further confuse you, seeing you have difficultly following along.

If what is plain before you in the few verses posted (in its context) while simply bring in Pauls other verse which shows marraige is let (verses forbidden) according to the same (this posted again and again and again and again in simple black and white this other will not be of help either I wouldnt think

That particular post is directed to InSpirit (who started the OP) and since I know he has the ability to see where it is I am coming from (while considering the same) I certainly would never expect that of you.

Because again as we can see in post #75 bringing the whole thing in here and submiting the question according to the verse (to help) doesnt, see?

Then you reply my post 71 here sayng,

And again its Paul speaking of it (even in the context of the OP) and doesnt have anything to do with what anyone else spoke, lets blow this up the first and last verse

The first verse (semicolon )

Follow it thru to the last verse (the is the period )

A doctrine is a teaching, that is what is taught according to giving heed to the same.

But lastly, you respond

Okay, so you left and called all of that crazy talk (I must agree I was glad to see that off) but I see you are back, but I will agree with you that if you couldnt receive what Paul plainly showed between what was plain (over and over and over again) then I will just have to feel good about being in good company with those who taught that particular connection in the same. Twisted metal is fine by me

Elmo has a cute bye bye song I was going to post it but this post is somewhat heavy with other things.

Unless you are staying, but I dont think its a good idea to further explain seeing as I left an example that it will likely not lead to anywhere but chasing ones tail in that doing.

But God bless you BeyondET

Thank you for setting me straight you are right I'm wrong I apologize...
God Bless you too

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Thank you for setting me straight you are right I'm wrong I apologize...
God Bless you too

Not a problem at all, sometimes things can be hard to follow, forgiven and forgotten, its a very small thing

God bless you again

 

[BeyondET]

Not a problem at all, sometimes things can be hard to follow, forgiven and forgotten, its a very small thing

God bless you again

Cool indeed life is to short to sweat the small things, i agree somethings can be hard to follow and thank you for forgiving me.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The enemy of our souls is the one who preaches the message of curses. he is the liar and father of lies.

What about those who preach a perverted and twisted version of the whole gospel message?

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:9
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Was Paul a liar for preaching curses?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What about those who preach a perverted and twisted version of the whole gospel message?

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:9
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Was Paul a liar for preaching curses?

Let us not forget that there is no curse in Christ. BUT if someone walks in the flesh it's a different matter.

... if you are led by the Spirit, [then] you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

However, if you carry out the royal law according to the scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you commit sin, [you] are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but stumbles in one [point only] has become guilty of all [of it]. James 2:8-10

For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse, for it is written, “Cursed [is] everyone who does not abide by all [the things] that are written in the book of the law to do them.” Galatians 3:10​

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Let us not forget that there is no curse in Christ. BUT if someone walks in the flesh it's a different matter.

... if you are led by the Spirit, [then] you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

However, if you carry out the royal law according to the scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you commit sin, [you] are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but stumbles in one [point only] has become guilty of all [of it]. James 2:8-10

For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse, for it is written, “Cursed [is] everyone who does not abide by all [the things] that are written in the book of the law to do them.” Galatians 3:10​

What made the law a curse is the oath (curse) to keep the whole law and also sin, the law itself is not sin. Also the law was not made for the righteous, but for sinners, and whosoever lives in sin is not truly in Christ, but is still under the law of sin and death, and are therefore still under the curse.

1 Timothy 1:9
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,


2 Peter 2:14
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

 

[simplifiedtruth]

If you don't follow the commandments after receiving the knowledge of the truth then you are walking in the flesh in those commandments you are breaking. Jesus taught all men to repent from lawbreaking and to obey and teach others to obey the law (Matt5:17-19). There really is no discussion. People are rejecting the words of Jesus Christ, and He's words is gonna judge them on the day of judgment for not being obedient to the faith.

Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.22On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’23And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

 

[Ahwatukee]

If you don't follow the commandments after receiving the knowledge of the truth then you are walking in the flesh in those commandments you are breaking. Jesus taught all men to repent from lawbreaking and to obey and teach others to obey the law (Matt5:17-19). There really is no discussion. People are rejecting the words of Jesus Christ, and He's words is gonna judge them on the day of judgment for not being obedient to the faith.

Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.22On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’23And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Hello simplifiedtruth,

It is important to understand that the commandments that Jesus is speaking about is not regarding the ten commandments of the law of Moses i.e. to keep the law. But the commandments are to believe in the One whom God sent and to love one another. We are under a new covenant, which is not like the first covenant. For if the first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no need for a second covenant to replace it. Grace and the works of the law are at odds with each other. Through the grace of God we receive forgiveness of sin through faith in the Christ who provided salvation for us. If we count on our keeping the works of the law as a means of obtaining salvation, it will have the opposite affect, keeping us out of the kingdom of God. Here is what Paul had to say about being under the law:

"For when I tried to keep the law, it condemned me. So I died to the law--I stopped trying to meet all its requirements--so that I might live for God."

"God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it."

"Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”


Therefore, our salvation is not obtained by the keeping of ordinances and regulations, but by faith in Christ. And when anyone sins, if we confess our sins he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and cleanses us of all unrighteousness. If we are attempting to walk as Christ walked and are lead by the Spirit, then will not be living according to the sinful nature but will be sowing to the Spirit.