Self Examination: Do you understand the Gospel?
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Ben you know what you are doing. You believe when Jesus died the time of grace began, and the end of legalism or religion ended. That is your religious sacred cow. To even admit living breathing Jesus loving, righteous living christians do not believe this hurts you so so so so much, you cannot bring yourself to admit it.
EG has spent weeks saying I am a legalist, repent. He ignores my honest statements of faith and experience and calls it all lies.
You just have to face fully functioning christians do not follow your faith. Ofcourse that brings into question the spirit that is guiding you, all your history and thoughts etc. But that is what we call a real spiritual dilemma. It is also a mystery of the work of God in peoples hearts. But maybe you actually have too small a picture of God the creator, and you have read in too much to what is there for your own reasons and have been deceived.
It is not the first time sincere people have got things wrong. Sincere christians gave heroin as a cure to opium addiction in China, and people died. Sincerity is never the definition of truth.
So dear reader those who claim to not be religious over their beliefs, when faced with admiting what others believe, they cannot do it. Talk about hypocracy, 100%.
EG has spent weeks saying I am a legalist, repent. He ignores my honest statements of faith and experience and calls it all lies.
You just have to face fully functioning christians do not follow your faith. Ofcourse that brings into question the spirit that is guiding you, all your history and thoughts etc. But that is what we call a real spiritual dilemma. It is also a mystery of the work of God in peoples hearts. But maybe you actually have too small a picture of God the creator, and you have read in too much to what is there for your own reasons and have been deceived.
It is not the first time sincere people have got things wrong. Sincere christians gave heroin as a cure to opium addiction in China, and people died. Sincerity is never the definition of truth.
So dear reader those who claim to not be religious over their beliefs, when faced with admiting what others believe, they cannot do it. Talk about hypocracy, 100%.
If I told you the truth you wouldn't believe me anyway. Why would you believe my words when you reject what the Lord says is true about truly being set free from sin. Besides, what I am and what you are does not make the words of God any less true. If I speak contrary to the words of God, then point it out.
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Really? This happened to you today? It must be ground hog day then because you said the exact same words here > http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ity-false-doctrine-proven-16.html#post2417118
Really? This happened to you today? It must be ground hog day then because you said the exact same words here > http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ity-false-doctrine-proven-16.html#post2417118
Those who commit sin are a servant of sin. Here is a post for you, check out post #4 and see the confession and mocking's of a reprobate.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/130066-servant-sin-abides-not-house-forever.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/130066-servant-sin-abides-not-house-forever.html
Ok Ben. We only get forgiven our sins because we believe in Jesus. So the act of forgiveness is mitigated on faith.
Now this is progress, can I hold you personally to this statement. I realise I have to check everyone that they equally accept this point.
Now people are sent to hell because of sins or good deeds done in Christ?
I have to ask because yesterday this was your position, and I know you believed in Christ saving the world from sin, so you now need to clarify where you are on this position?
Now this is progress, can I hold you personally to this statement. I realise I have to check everyone that they equally accept this point.
Now people are sent to hell because of sins or good deeds done in Christ?
I have to ask because yesterday this was your position, and I know you believed in Christ saving the world from sin, so you now need to clarify where you are on this position?
Jesus died and shed His blood to atone for the sins of the whole world. The sacrifice of Jesus and the atonement is only efficacious to those who receive it.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
While the call is universal only those who respond will benefit.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
While the call is universal only those who respond will benefit.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You cannot be "in Christ" and also "in sin" because "in Him" is no "sin". There is no life "in sin" only death.
Paul said you cannot live in sin any longer, is he also a liar?
Romans 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Paul said you cannot live in sin any longer, is he also a liar?
Romans 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
E
They are lies. You claim God will change a person, He will make a person free of sin. He will cause a person to work.
Then sadly say a person can fall from grace and lose salvation.
which means in reality, you do not believe God can do what you preach he can do. If you did, you would never preach man can overpower God and overcome his power to change them.
Then sadly say a person can fall from grace and lose salvation.
which means in reality, you do not believe God can do what you preach he can do. If you did, you would never preach man can overpower God and overcome his power to change them.
If only you would see this from the perspective of grace and not from man's wisdom.
The new birth is a complete change from dead in sin to alive unto God. Just as the butterfly no longer thinks and acts as the caterpillar the Christian has a new heart and now desires to serve the Lord in place of sin.
The new man is the evidence of the new birth. Each must examine himself and not another in this matter. It is the Lord that ponereth the hearts and knows every man.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The new birth is a complete change from dead in sin to alive unto God. Just as the butterfly no longer thinks and acts as the caterpillar the Christian has a new heart and now desires to serve the Lord in place of sin.
The new man is the evidence of the new birth. Each must examine himself and not another in this matter. It is the Lord that ponereth the hearts and knows every man.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
