Self Examination: Do you understand the Gospel?
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I wonder at this last point. My position has become to be aware of walking in righteousness is actually wrong, because it puts the emphasis on the achieving something rather than walking in it.
How God deems sin other than the obvious is more subtle, and at a close relationship state, it is the relationship and conscience that beats to the relationship. I was struck by Moses spoke face to face with the Father.
Jesus died so we can walk, and I am happy to walk. How far I can go I do not know but I put my trust in Him.
And I now think that is where the limit of our understanding lies. I cannot judge myself or someone else, except over the obvious, so why does these nuance matter when the goal is agreed.
How God deems sin other than the obvious is more subtle, and at a close relationship state, it is the relationship and conscience that beats to the relationship. I was struck by Moses spoke face to face with the Father.
Jesus died so we can walk, and I am happy to walk. How far I can go I do not know but I put my trust in Him.
And I now think that is where the limit of our understanding lies. I cannot judge myself or someone else, except over the obvious, so why does these nuance matter when the goal is agreed.
Are you looking for the difference in dispensations? Who is the audience to whom Jesus is speaking?
Jesus teaching to the nation of Israel, duh
This is not Church Age doctrine. Man, so many of these conflicts in the different threads could be easily solved if people would just rightly divide the word of truth and understand Church Age doctrine. Who is our spokesman people? Who is our chosen vessel...Apostle Paul!
Jesus teaching to the nation of Israel, duh
This is not Church Age doctrine. Man, so many of these conflicts in the different threads could be easily solved if people would just rightly divide the word of truth and understand Church Age doctrine. Who is our spokesman people? Who is our chosen vessel...Apostle Paul!
By the way grace7x77 you are not on my ignore list because I always want to walk in the light and see what people are saying.
I expect nothing from those who call me an enemy, who condemn my whole christian life to the dustbin, who slander any contribution and call me legalist. As I love my enemy I feel and pray for them that they might see their sin and repent of it and walk in righteousness. But those here appear to want to deny sin has a mark on their lives and is relevent.
I have discovered some do lie and claim this is not what they believe. As truth and lies mean nothing to them, all I can say is by their fruit you know them. What I believe is exactly what I say I believe, my yes is yes and my no is my no.
It appears these hyper-grace people know sin and changing their words has no effect on their integrity. Again this fruit speaks of their lack of spiritual understanding. Maybe they will repent, and come back to real faith, I just want to discover what they actually are, because then we can have a real conversation.
This thread is an example of this confusion and Ben is not prepared to properly engage. He starts so confidently without seeing the flaw in his position. I wonder if truth will dawn in the end. The Lord knows.
I expect nothing from those who call me an enemy, who condemn my whole christian life to the dustbin, who slander any contribution and call me legalist. As I love my enemy I feel and pray for them that they might see their sin and repent of it and walk in righteousness. But those here appear to want to deny sin has a mark on their lives and is relevent.
I have discovered some do lie and claim this is not what they believe. As truth and lies mean nothing to them, all I can say is by their fruit you know them. What I believe is exactly what I say I believe, my yes is yes and my no is my no.
It appears these hyper-grace people know sin and changing their words has no effect on their integrity. Again this fruit speaks of their lack of spiritual understanding. Maybe they will repent, and come back to real faith, I just want to discover what they actually are, because then we can have a real conversation.
This thread is an example of this confusion and Ben is not prepared to properly engage. He starts so confidently without seeing the flaw in his position. I wonder if truth will dawn in the end. The Lord knows.
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I am witnessing people make arguments for doctrines that are completely contrary to Jesus' finished work at the cross of Calvary. Some facts about His sacrifice is that through Him we have been reconciled to God and have forgiveness of sins. Right? The veil has been broken, that which separated man from God (I.e, sin) has been dealt with so that man would be reconciled to God. That is the plan of reconciliation.
How do you go from faith in that truth, Christ crucified and resurrected for the purpose of reconciling sinful man to God, and then go to a doctrine that alienates man from God due to sin? Did I just miss something? Did Christ not just go to the cross 2000 years ago to deal with sin so that we would no longer be alienated from God? I am perplexed at how these doctrines of sin confession and repentance are being used to distance God, our heavenly Father, from His children when He made sure nothing could separate them from His love by Christ's sacrifice.
Do people understand the Gospel? These are simple, foundational, truths about the Gospel and yet, some how, something has gone amiss that people are trying to obtain something Jesus already paid for with His blood (I.e, forgiveness of sin and reconciliation/communion with God). I am genuinely perplexed and annoyed even, that people are espousing doctrines contrary to the basic tenets of the faith.
You ARE reconciled to God, you HAVE forgiveness of sins and you ARE in the light for you are in Jesus Christ. Don't listen to people's religious ideas that replace faith in Christ for some practice. People, please, grasp the very basic tenets of the faith and understand what Jesus accomplished for you. Please. It is frustrating to witness people trying to obtain something that Jesus paid for with His sacrifice only to have it ignored and sought after through some other means. Give the glory to God and commune with God. Have fellowship, you are reconciled!
How do you go from faith in that truth, Christ crucified and resurrected for the purpose of reconciling sinful man to God, and then go to a doctrine that alienates man from God due to sin? Did I just miss something? Did Christ not just go to the cross 2000 years ago to deal with sin so that we would no longer be alienated from God? I am perplexed at how these doctrines of sin confession and repentance are being used to distance God, our heavenly Father, from His children when He made sure nothing could separate them from His love by Christ's sacrifice.
Do people understand the Gospel? These are simple, foundational, truths about the Gospel and yet, some how, something has gone amiss that people are trying to obtain something Jesus already paid for with His blood (I.e, forgiveness of sin and reconciliation/communion with God). I am genuinely perplexed and annoyed even, that people are espousing doctrines contrary to the basic tenets of the faith.
You ARE reconciled to God, you HAVE forgiveness of sins and you ARE in the light for you are in Jesus Christ. Don't listen to people's religious ideas that replace faith in Christ for some practice. People, please, grasp the very basic tenets of the faith and understand what Jesus accomplished for you. Please. It is frustrating to witness people trying to obtain something that Jesus paid for with His sacrifice only to have it ignored and sought after through some other means. Give the glory to God and commune with God. Have fellowship, you are reconciled!
What do we have now? Oh boy! Yet another hyper thread. 20 or more wasn't enough yet?
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Call me old fashioned but when I offend someone and become aware of it I apologise or at least try to. When it comes to the Lord I double down on that. And as for not forgiving others if they apologize and I don't except it or even if they don't and I hold it against them, then who am I ? Am I better than God and deserve more of a atonement.
Self examination is what we all need to do. The grace of God is far greater than one could ever explain. To say we could be reckless in our faith and not worry is a lie. The beautiful perfect master plan of salvation was drawn up and approved before the foundations were set into place. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth knowing the end from the beginning is testimony to that.
Let us not try to reinvent the word of God but let us establish its truth in our hearts and to the world.
Self examination is what we all need to do. The grace of God is far greater than one could ever explain. To say we could be reckless in our faith and not worry is a lie. The beautiful perfect master plan of salvation was drawn up and approved before the foundations were set into place. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth knowing the end from the beginning is testimony to that.
Let us not try to reinvent the word of God but let us establish its truth in our hearts and to the world.
This whole argument between the two camps of y'all has done nothing much make the bible discussion forum completely undesirable and all of you look like fools. Like you disagree great, shut up and go your own way. The rest of us are tired of you guys taking the whole forum with your petty semantics and nitpicking