Sermon on the mount - life or legalistic junk
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Forget it grandpa - I treat malice-filled and slanderous posts like I do with the porn ads that pop up on my screen from time to time. I don't interact with those that continuously exhibit this type of behavior and ignore them.
I just bless them , mention their name to our Father to bless them and leave him in the hands of the Lord who loves him dearly.
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Apostates may do that as per 2 Timothy 3, however, I do not see that going on here.
Sort of, but not completely accurate:
as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;
no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.” - Romans 3:10-11
The above is the state of all outside of Christ, and none can do the above until regenerated. So, that being said, even in our frailty while converted we seek after God and in Christ we are righteous and justified.
Sort of, but not completely accurate:
as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;
no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.” - Romans 3:10-11
The above is the state of all outside of Christ, and none can do the above until regenerated. So, that being said, even in our frailty while converted we seek after God and in Christ we are righteous and justified.
We are a 3 part being....Spirit, Soul[mind, will, emotions, passions, intellect] and Body/flesh
Your flesh will obey whoever is in charge...the soul or the spirit. If your spirit, which you have correctly, stated is made perfect at conversion is leading you, your Soul[mind, will, emotions, passions, intellect] must be transformed through renewing it to the Word of God, when the Spirit mind is in control and the soul[mind] is subjected to the Spirt, then the soul[mind] is now inline with the Spirit and when a temptation to look at a woman in lust is manifested, you refuse to be enticed to that temptation, SIN never was born, because lust was never conceived in the heart. [James 1.13-16]
SIN is not temptation!
You don't need a redeemed body to keep from sinning. All temptation starts in the carnal soul[mind] of a man. This will be hard for anyone to accept if they do not understand man is a 3 part being.
James 1.13-16
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
This proves as Does Genesis 3 and 4 that SIN is and always has been a choice. David was not powerless over his lust over Bath-Sheba and the murder of Uriah. He chose to stay home instead of being on the Battle field where he should have been all along.
We have hirelings telling saints they are powerless and still sinners, because it fattens their wallets and keeps them in control.
John 9 & 10 prove this out in spades.
Where peeps fall into the ditch on this, is the doctrine of sinless perfection., that is a false teaching...This is because they think their whole Spirit, SOul adn Body are made perfect at conversion. This is not true, only, as you stated, your inner man is made perfect.
We gain spiritual maturity[perfection] through offering current body/flesh as a living and holy sacrifice , acceptable to God and not conformed but transformed by the renewing of our minds[soul]
Stating you are a sinner saved by grace after conversion should be reserved for Babes in Christ...but as they spiritually mature, they should come to understand they are a new creation....We do not see this develop a lot, because most hirelings have never progressed past sinner saved by grace thinking themselves. This is why Jesus said the blind leading the blind ends with both in a ditch...
This is not done by any human effort...this is where grace only theology stops and cannot understand manifold graces like enabling and restraining grace....This is where Pentecostal theology get bogged down in spiritualism about gifts and tongues...
The ability to do in your spirit what you cannot do in your flesh comes from Baptism in the Holy Spirit, after conversion. Jesus is the Baptizer into the Holy Spirit and the very first initial evidence of this Baptism is not tongues, it is AGAPE LOVE and then the other fruit of the Spirit.
Your flesh will obey whoever is in charge...the soul or the spirit. If your spirit, which you have correctly, stated is made perfect at conversion is leading you, your Soul[mind, will, emotions, passions, intellect] must be transformed through renewing it to the Word of God, when the Spirit mind is in control and the soul[mind] is subjected to the Spirt, then the soul[mind] is now inline with the Spirit and when a temptation to look at a woman in lust is manifested, you refuse to be enticed to that temptation, SIN never was born, because lust was never conceived in the heart. [James 1.13-16]
SIN is not temptation!
You don't need a redeemed body to keep from sinning. All temptation starts in the carnal soul[mind] of a man. This will be hard for anyone to accept if they do not understand man is a 3 part being.
James 1.13-16
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
This proves as Does Genesis 3 and 4 that SIN is and always has been a choice. David was not powerless over his lust over Bath-Sheba and the murder of Uriah. He chose to stay home instead of being on the Battle field where he should have been all along.
We have hirelings telling saints they are powerless and still sinners, because it fattens their wallets and keeps them in control.
John 9 & 10 prove this out in spades.
Where peeps fall into the ditch on this, is the doctrine of sinless perfection., that is a false teaching...This is because they think their whole Spirit, SOul adn Body are made perfect at conversion. This is not true, only, as you stated, your inner man is made perfect.
We gain spiritual maturity[perfection] through offering current body/flesh as a living and holy sacrifice , acceptable to God and not conformed but transformed by the renewing of our minds[soul]
Stating you are a sinner saved by grace after conversion should be reserved for Babes in Christ...but as they spiritually mature, they should come to understand they are a new creation....We do not see this develop a lot, because most hirelings have never progressed past sinner saved by grace thinking themselves. This is why Jesus said the blind leading the blind ends with both in a ditch...
This is not done by any human effort...this is where grace only theology stops and cannot understand manifold graces like enabling and restraining grace....This is where Pentecostal theology get bogged down in spiritualism about gifts and tongues...
The ability to do in your spirit what you cannot do in your flesh comes from Baptism in the Holy Spirit, after conversion. Jesus is the Baptizer into the Holy Spirit and the very first initial evidence of this Baptism is not tongues, it is AGAPE LOVE and then the other fruit of the Spirit.
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Outer sin versus inner sin.
The sinner's first reaction is to deny that what they are doing is wrong.
Can you always speak love and blessings to a brother or sister?
Do you always speak good into their lives or do you tell them how bad they are and how they will always be bad?
Do you speak blessings or curses?
Most speak curses out of pride and anger and self righteousness, and deny that they are wrong.
The sinner's first reaction is to deny that what they are doing is wrong.
Can you always speak love and blessings to a brother or sister?
Do you always speak good into their lives or do you tell them how bad they are and how they will always be bad?
Do you speak blessings or curses?
Most speak curses out of pride and anger and self righteousness, and deny that they are wrong.
Heb. 10:29~ How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Gosh, it looks like those who argue against you insult the Spirit of grace...
2 Cor. 3:17-18~ Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
Amen. Thank you for your faithfulness in proclaiming the Truth of God's unmerited favor towards us
Gosh, it looks like those who argue against you insult the Spirit of grace...
2 Cor. 3:17-18~ Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
Amen. Thank you for your faithfulness in proclaiming the Truth of God's unmerited favor towards us
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The irony normally is you self righteous people condemning us poor honest sinners who
cannot help sinning, it is believers saying this of other believers who should be saying we
are free from the bondage of sin. It would make you wonder what spiritual experience have
they actually got if sin is so prevalent in their lives.
In my church there is always a group who came to christ, but still smoke, drink, live the life,
and never really make a break, yet they cannot quite be honest enough to give up. Are we
facing these same people who have now found a home which calls them believers, lol
cannot help sinning, it is believers saying this of other believers who should be saying we
are free from the bondage of sin. It would make you wonder what spiritual experience have
they actually got if sin is so prevalent in their lives.
In my church there is always a group who came to christ, but still smoke, drink, live the life,
and never really make a break, yet they cannot quite be honest enough to give up. Are we
facing these same people who have now found a home which calls them believers, lol
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Hey I found one of your definitions of grace: saving grace.
I prefer the term "Prevenient grace"
What is Prevenient Grace? | Seedbed
I prefer the term "Prevenient grace"
What is Prevenient Grace? | Seedbed
This is rich coming from someone who uses hymn writers and single verses taken out of context to support a doctrine that is communicated to him and nothing he has really probably ever studied out on his own.
If you are still a sinner, you better try and get it straightened out....Jesus wants all of you, not 2 dogs fighting for control inside of you...
We all still sin and we have sinned, but we are no longer considered sinners. To do so is to deny Jesus and his work on the cross.
Humour - it is a valid observation that is someone always wants to attach a catch all
condemnation aimed at whoever they are disliking today, to note that it is just another
type of label they are attaching to themselves. "We over here, feel it is our duty to
condemn you over there for xxxx" has a certain self righteous edge to it, within the
constraints of their rules. lol.
If you cannot laugh at this pomposity you actually make it bigger, rather than reducing
it to the level where it really is mud slinging. Hey who wants a mud fight, bundle ....
condemnation aimed at whoever they are disliking today, to note that it is just another
type of label they are attaching to themselves. "We over here, feel it is our duty to
condemn you over there for xxxx" has a certain self righteous edge to it, within the
constraints of their rules. lol.
If you cannot laugh at this pomposity you actually make it bigger, rather than reducing
it to the level where it really is mud slinging. Hey who wants a mud fight, bundle ....
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Why is it on a forum web site, with believers who continually declare good works are the
fruit of a born again heart, it needs to be told good works do not earn salvation, continually,
at every opportunity lol
fruit of a born again heart, it needs to be told good works do not earn salvation, continually,
at every opportunity lol
On the plus note that isn't a false doctrine Stephen believes either.
He has some interesting beliefs about Holy Spirit baptism, but his beliefs are pretty mainstream Pentecostal.
He attacks other posters and you agree with him...thus they attack you.
He has called me "phony as a three dollar bill" and implies that you agree with him on his false assessment of me.
Do you rebuke him?
Nope, you laugh it off as him playing games because he believes I am playing games.
He is not playing games Peter.
I had enough faith and trust in YOU, to know he was lying when he said you believed I was phony too.
If I didnt, I would have lumped you and him as jerks and ignored you both.
Wow, I feel almost like I just got attacked, you just gave me 3 things to read to figure out a problem with a belief you haven't named, held by a person you don't want to address. Is that even coherent to you? I feel like I am on the elementary playground, yet the ages by the names here suggest we are all a bit older than that. This is how Christian are to treat each other? Also please don't let me come off as "holier than thou", I've been the worst offender at times so the biggest finger is pointed at me, but God help any true seeker that see's this kind of interaction as a representation of what Jesus calls us to be.
I know I'm sounding harsh, but it's true, I am also very confident that this comment will just turn this whole combative chat culture to a screeching halt, and we will all discuss, worship, debate, and teach loving each other as we love ourselves, kind of like some historical guy I've heard of once said. I'm sure that will happen right away.
Grandpa I appreciate you, and do agree with very much of what you say here on CC. I see you as a brother in the Lord and love you as such, but I have to tell you in this little exchange I have no clue what teaching or falsehood we are trying to expose, so I really am just in the dark on this one, even if I reread all the chapters you listed I have no idea what falsehood I'm trying to expose. That said it is not the most important thing in the world to make a big thing out of, and my main grip about CC is the needless division. I just thing we can all do better.
I know I'm sounding harsh, but it's true, I am also very confident that this comment will just turn this whole combative chat culture to a screeching halt, and we will all discuss, worship, debate, and teach loving each other as we love ourselves, kind of like some historical guy I've heard of once said. I'm sure that will happen right away.
Grandpa I appreciate you, and do agree with very much of what you say here on CC. I see you as a brother in the Lord and love you as such, but I have to tell you in this little exchange I have no clue what teaching or falsehood we are trying to expose, so I really am just in the dark on this one, even if I reread all the chapters you listed I have no idea what falsehood I'm trying to expose. That said it is not the most important thing in the world to make a big thing out of, and my main grip about CC is the needless division. I just thing we can all do better.
Heb. 10:29~ How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Gosh, it looks like those who argue against you insult the Spirit of grace...
2 Cor. 3:17-18~ Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
Amen. Thank you for your faithfulness in proclaiming the Truth of God's unmerited favor towards us
Gosh, it looks like those who argue against you insult the Spirit of grace...
2 Cor. 3:17-18~ Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
Amen. Thank you for your faithfulness in proclaiming the Truth of God's unmerited favor towards us
I look forward to repenting as I see new facets of His love and grace towards us in Christ. I don't think we have even scratched the surface of God's loving kindness to us in His grace.
Paul calls it the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness towards us in Christ.
Ephesians 2:4-7 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Do you honestly think defaming my character and spreading lies about me is going to force me to enlighten your weak understanding of the Gospel and give answers!?!? I have consistently stated it is grace and Faith and never came out against grace. Grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ...I have said that too you several times in the attempt in answering your petty juvenile need to me define it for you.
Are we done yet or are you going to continue spreading lies and throwing a fit, because someone wont pet you and validate your need to be right?
Are we done yet or are you going to continue spreading lies and throwing a fit, because someone wont pet you and validate your need to be right?