SETTING THE SCENE FOR THE ANTICHRIST

[1Christianwarrior316]

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The word antichrist is used five times in the Bible. The word antichrist appears in only the above four verses. In three of the four verse the definition of antichrist is defined for us. No need to look at man’s definition of antichrist for it is already defined for us in the above verses.
If we use the above verses for the definition of antichrist it is not hard to see that there are many antichrist in the world today just as there were many antichrist in John’s day.
Sadly a lot of people would much rather trust man’s definition of antichrist to support their man made doctrine than they would the Word of God.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[Stephen63]

There are many antichrists today. No doubt about it. After all, who are the people that are setting the stage for the Antichrist himself? To the fellow that thought the Antichrist was a group of people, this is incorrect. While there are many antichrists (small a), there is only one Antichrist (capital A). Some of these antichrists are even in these forums. Anyone who teaches against the true gospel is an antichrist in his own right.

 

[peterT]

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The word antichrist is used five times in the Bible. The word antichrist appears in only the above four verses. In three of the four verse the definition of antichrist is defined for us. No need to look at man’s definition of antichrist for it is already defined for us in the above verses.
If we use the above verses for the definition of antichrist it is not hard to see that there are many antichrist in the world today just as there were many antichrist in John’s day.
Sadly a lot of people would much rather trust man’s definition of antichrist to support their man made doctrine than they would the Word of God.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

No that’s not right
definition of antichrist as you put it
You want to see antichrists in other verses besides the above four verses.

Rv17:12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Ten antichrist kings that make war with the Lamb and give their power and strength unto the beast.

Ten antichrist kings in the book of Revelation or do you think they are friends of Jesus.

Here is another in the Book of Daniel that come out of the ten, the little horn that war with the saints or do you think he’s a friend of Jesus too.

Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

The word antichrist, you stream a gnat and swallow a camel.


There are lots of antichrists in the Bible you just have to look.

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Sadly a lot of people would much rather trust man’s definition of antichrist to support their man made doctrine than they would the Word of God.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

You’re a funny man

You’re a funny man its you that much rather trust man’sdefinition of antichrist to support their man made doctrine than they would theWord of God.

 

[peterT]

I have a funny feeling that some Christians think the man of sin, the son of son of perdition that sits in the temple of God showing he is God, maybe something like Gandhi or some kind of peaceful protester .

Might be time to remember are God of the OT. A God of war.

Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

And the Lord brought forth the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt his own people and because they obeyed not and for murmuring, God killed them by sword by flame and by pestilence all that were over the age of 20 years old.

And never mind what he did to them that worship other Gods.

He sits in the temple showing he is God and if he is anything like the Hebrew God of the Old Testament we are all in big trouble.

Some of you might not think he is antichrist or call him the antichrist and that’s OK you can call him what you like, but if you don’t obey or murmur or compline of have any other Gods before him you are a dead man. Just like the God of the OT

 

[doulos]

There are many antichrists today. No doubt about it. After all, who are the people that are setting the stage for the Antichrist himself? To the fellow that thought the Antichrist was a group of people, this is incorrect. While there are many antichrists (small a), there is only one Antichrist (capital A). Some of these antichrists are even in these forums. Anyone who teaches against the true gospel is an antichrist in his own right.

1John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
1John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

In the KJV the word antichrist is not selectively capitalized, and there was no upper/lower case in the original Greek. Clearly, from the verses above, antichrist is a SPIRIT, or THE spirit, that lives in the heart of anybody that denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, or denies that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh, or denies that Jesus is the Christ (anointed one). Every man that denies the Son has not the Father and is antichrist, and also is an antichrist.

The following verse is sometimes understood to suggest an individual past or future "Antichrist", but Scripture shows us how to understand this verse perfectly:

1John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

How could the above verse make any sense if the first use of the term antichrist were supposed to be an individual person as "The" "Antichrist", when six words later we learn there are many antichrists? This is the only verse of those above that is generally construed to indicate a single individual as such. Let's develop our understanding by looking to another verse that also uses the term antichrist in a singular fashion:
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

You can see the singular "that", "spirit", "it" in this sentence and singular "antichrist", just like the singular "antichrist" in 1 John 2:18. The translators gave us a little extra push in 1 John 4:3 by inserting the word [spirit] a second time, further clarifying that the spirit of antichrist is this singular entity. Now look at how this makes the "little children" verse make perfect sense if, when you get to the first use of term antichrist, you understand it as THE SPIRIT OF antichrist:

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

What Book do I have to read to find that quote?

Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, WHAT?

Or do I have to read The Man of Sin By Kim Riddlebarger tofind that quote.

KimRiddlebarger3:16 the prince of this world is not the sameas the antichrists, neither is the son of perdition.

you can find the characteristics of antichrists in john's letters...you can find paul's description of the son of perdition in second thessalonians...

and guess what happens when you compare the two? there is -no overlap- between the descriptions!

so you cannot claim from scripture that the two concepts are one and the same...

the 'prince of this world' is satan by the way...not some human king...which is established by the fact that according to jesus he was 'cast out' near the end of jesus' time on earth...

i have no idea who kim riddlebarger is...is that even a real name?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

It only took one person to derail the entire thread. And I'm not surprised, because it's not the first time I've seen that person do it. The very tactic that was stated in their post is exactly what they did to this thread.
Mark 4:9 [SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

i wouldn't consider it a 'derailment' to examine the underlying assumptions of this thread to determine whether or not they are actually scriptural...

it is much better than indulging in fleshly paranoia...

2 timothy 1:7..."For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

While there are many antichrists (small a), there is only one Antichrist (capital A).

prove this from the bible if you can!

 

[Stephen63]

i wouldn't consider it a 'derailment' to examine the underlying assumptions of this thread to determine whether or not they are actually scriptural...

it is much better than indulging in fleshly paranoia...

2 timothy 1:7..."For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

If you read the opening thread, some of you would find out that I wasn't asking for a scripture, a theology or any such thing! Yet here are the regulars, battling it out once more over stuff they don't agree on! They're so far out in left field they need to read the 1st post again.

 

[peterT]

you can find the characteristics of antichrists in john's letters...you can find paul's description of the son of perdition in second thessalonians...

and guess what happens when you compare the two? there is -no overlap- between the descriptions!

so you cannot claim from scripture that the two concepts are one and the same...

the 'prince of this world' is satan by the way...not some human king...which is established by the fact that according to jesus he was 'cast out' near the end of jesus' time on earth...

i have no idea who kim riddlebarger is...is that even a real name?

Yes you can claim that they are the same from scripture.

Yes 'prince of this world' is Satan and the 'prince of this world is cast out.

Now shall the prince of this world be cast out John12:31

The Prince Of This World Cometh.john 14:30

An antichrist shall come 1john2:18

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.



Who do you think the man of sin is a friend of Jesus or an antichrist?


He sits in the temple showing he is God, and if he is anything like the Hebrew God of the Old Testament we are all in big trouble.

Not obeying or murmur or compline or having other Gods before OT Hebrew God got you killed

Some of you might not think he is antichrist or call him the antichrist and that’s OK you can call him what you like,

but if you don’t obey, or murmur or compline of have other Gods before him I wonder what will become of you.


So what scriptures have you got that there not the same??

 

[peterT]

If you read the opening thread, some of you would find out that I wasn't asking for a scripture, a theology or any such thing! Yet here are the regulars, battling it out once more over stuff they don't agree on! They're so far out in left field they need to read the 1st post again.

The topic is in the same vein SETTING THE SCENE FOR THE ANTICHRIST

We are debating the Antichrist so we can see the scene that will be set.

What’s your problem bro?

If you have any complaints press the complaints button .

or you can just keep murmuring

 

[nathan3]

I would also infiltrate the national, state, and local boards of church organizations. That way, I could seize all religious power slowly over a period of time, changing bylaws and statements of faith to be more tolerable of other religions. This would also put a huge amount of people under my command to sway political elections. This would allow me to do evil things within the community without having the church to take a stand against it. You know, the way the Masons do it............

well. i like to at least read the scripture. I didn't know you wanted to just imagine things : /

 

[Abiding]

Stephen i see you met Peter. Isnt he just adorable?

 

[zone]

Im also fairly confident the whole end time dealy has had its major support
by the church itself. It created its own monster. And worships it already.

how do you like your steak?

 

[zone]

My, my, my. Ya know, the funny thing is, those that don't believe the things that are going on won't show their face in here. *sigh* I believe most of them are smart enough to come up with something. Hopefully...... maybe...... some of them when they do think of something will come to the startling conclusion that what they thought up is already happening!

huh?.........

 

[zone]

how would i do things if i was the devil's strategist?

i would flood 'end time' speculation with as much unbiblical and nonfactual gobbledygook as possible to keep the church distracted...

for example i would work to convince christians that the bible actually prophesies a 'new world order'...and that the bible prophesies the appearance of a single 'antichrist'... i would also work to convince them that 'the illuminati' actually exist...

and i would encourage misinformed christians to spread these misconceptions far and wide thinking they are doing God's work...

then while much of the church is busy looking for pentagrams on mount rushmore...i would go about my business without any interruption from them...

and what would your business be Rachel?

 

[zone]

awake and aware and keeping watch at the door...not chasing after the squirrels in the yard...

awake and aware of what?

 

[zone]

the 'new world order' and 'the antichrist' and 'the illuminati' are all distracting squirrels...in fact they aren't even there...

*cough*
that would be a good tactic.
come on Rachel.
nobody says they are anything other than what they are - the world richest families doing everything they can (including sending out their halfwit cousins to invent Evolution) to maintain their hegemony while keeping the foolish masses distracted with bread and circuses.

they write their own histories, they have recorded their 10, 50 and 100 year plans.
coincidentally those plans are what we now live in.

fortunately, God has chosen the weak and foolish things of the world to confound the bad guys.
i know you don't believe there are bad guys, though

leetle teeny bit of reading history placing the stuff that went down the memory hole back in place and presto - bad guys with pathetic psychopathic plans right there for anyone to see.

 

[zone]

KimRiddlebarger3:16 the prince of this world is not the sameas the antichrists, neither is the son of perdition.

hey peter...©

 

[zone]

It only took one person to derail the entire thread. And I'm not surprised, because it's not the first time I've seen that person do it. The very tactic that was stated in their post is exactly what they did to this thread.
Mark 4:9 [SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

um...how is the thread derailed stephen?
you asked for personalized imaginative scenarios.
are you the imagination cop?

I would also infiltrate the national, state, and local boards of church organizations. That way, I could seize all religious power slowly over a period of time, changing bylaws and statements of faith to be more tolerable of other religions. This would also put a huge amount of people under my command to sway political elections. This would allow me to do evil things within the community without having the church to take a stand against it. You know, the way the Masons do it............

btw: i agree with you here.
but some ppl don't believe the masons exist.
or if they do, they're just a fun gentleman's club.

ya....o-o-o-o-okay.
check the roll in the Southern Baptist Convention e.g.
and all the cults (mormons/JWs etc)

move along folks...nuthin' to see here.....