Seven Basic Bible Facts (1)!

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Precious friends, continued from:
Seven Basic Bible Facts (1)
Seven Basic Bible Facts (2)!:

FACT NO. 3—That the Gospel we are to preach is called The
Gospel Of The Grace Of God.

“But none of these things move me, neither count I my life​
dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy​
and the ministry which I have Received Of The Lord Jesus, to​
testify THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD” (Acts 20:24).​

This is God’s only message for the lost in this present age. We are
to follow Paul as he followed Christ (I Cor. 11:1). In his writings ALONE
do we find the doctrine, position, walk, and destiny of the Christian.

Some other important aspects of Grace are:

1. We are saved by GRACE—Eph. 2:8-9.​
2. We are Justified Freely By His GRACE—Rom. 3:24; Titus 3:7.​
3. His GRACE Is Sufficient For us—II Cor. 12:9.​
4. We are not under Law but under GRACE—Rom. 6:14-15.​
5. This age is the Age Of GRACE—Eph. 3:2-6. We are to​
approach The Throne Of GRACE in prayer—Heb. 4:16.​
(RC Brock Seven Basic Bible Facts!)

to be continued...
 
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Where's the issue? I'm not following you. Are signs for the Jews or not?
OP said: "This present age is a signless age"

This is a FALSE statement and is from UNBELIEF in the Scripture and the OP violates his Point #1.
 
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There is no "taking out of context" regarding signs. Signs were signs primarily to the Jews that God was manifesting His power when signs, wonders, and miracles were performed by the apostles and their companions. But as we know from Church history that with the passing of the apostles and the completion of the Scriptures, signs disappeared and the principle of walking by faith was predominant.
Who do you serve? the LORD Jesus Christ or religion?

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
 

John146

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OP said: "This present age is a signless age"

This is a FALSE statement and is from UNBELIEF in the Scripture and the OP violates his Point #1.
We are commanded to walk by faith not by sight. No signs needed. We have scripture. Scripture is enough.
 

John146

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Who do you serve? the LORD Jesus Christ or religion?

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Since you brought it up, the very version you are quoting from has flaws.
 
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We are commanded to walk by faith not by sight. No signs needed. We have scripture. Scripture is enough.
Scripture says that is NOT enough - keep reading and believing = "It is written".

PEACE
 
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Since you brought it up, the very version you are quoting from has flaws.
God is way ahead of everyone on this "flawed" thing.

For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

“For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
And do not return there,
But water the earth,
And make it bring forth and bud,
That it may give seed to the sower
And bread to the eater,
So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth;
It shall not return to Me void,
But it shall accomplish what I please,
And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.

Isaiah 55:8-11
 

JaumeJ

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I do not know if what has happened to me could be called signs, but they certainly were from our Father in the name of Jesus, Yeshi Yah.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Rightly divided by me or you?
I think he’s saying rightly divided between the jew and gentile because hyper grace requires one to ignore the real Gospel and claim the church is built upon Paul’s words of you notice the op is based on the idea that there’s a “ Paulian dispensation independent from the everlasting gospel Jesus sent out from Jerusalem before Paul’s conversion

they are claiming a different gospel that is for Gentiles and a different for Jew and saying that’s how to “divide the word “

yet the Bible clearly tells us the gospel first preached in Israel would be preached in all the world to all people beginning with Jew and spreading to gentile to make one people by the one gospel.

to find the new king of this post you need to believe the gospel Jesus preached isn’t for you it’s for Jews l that’s for gentile is the word “grace” which means unwarranted favor , which means you divide our of the word anything that tells you what to do and what not to do because “if you have to do anything it’s not grace “


Even when God has said “do this and be saved “ that’s not grace in this ideation so you don’t need to do it your already saved regardless of what you do grave is conditionless even if God sets clear conditions upon it it’s not grace sonyou divide all that stuff out

it’s just a heresy like many others to establish a heresy we have to uo front erase the truth or the lord can’t stand so it’s about how Jesus words aren’t for the Christian just for Jews so this

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

only for Jews not Gentiles Gentiles are saved by grace and bats the division that’s being suggested just what oaul says but only if it sounds conditionless so this also Paul’s words not for you

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This judgement paul wrote to the church not for you it’s only for Jews

“Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;


but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The truth is the same gospel Jesus preached to the Jews in Israel is the gospel all the apostles preached to Gentiles but the hyper grace structure can’t acknolwedge any of that so they wuote pauls letter to Timothy “ rightly divide the word “ meaning cut away anything that teaches you what to do d what not to do until all you have left is scattered scripture with no context that seems to say “ there’s nothing to see here your saved by grace “
 
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I do not know if what has happened to me could be called signs, but they certainly were from our Father in the name of Jesus, Yeshi Yah.
Every Blood washed 'Son of God' walking in the Holy Spirit is a Living Breathing SIGN of GRACE from ABOVE thru the SPIRIT called the DOVE.
 

Beckie

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I think he’s saying rightly divided between the jew and gentile because hyper grace requires one to ignore the real Gospel and claim the church is built upon Paul’s words of you notice the op is based on the idea that there’s a “ Paulian dispensation independent from the everlasting gospel Jesus sent out from Jerusalem before Paul’s conversion

they are claiming a different gospel that is for Gentiles and a different for Jew and saying that’s how to “divide the word “

yet the Bible clearly tells us the gospel first preached in Israel would be preached in all the world to all people beginning with Jew and spreading to gentile to make one people by the one gospel.

to find the new king of this post you need to believe the gospel Jesus preached isn’t for you it’s for Jews l that’s for gentile is the word “grace” which means unwarranted favor , which means you divide our of the word anything that tells you what to do and what not to do because “if you have to do anything it’s not grace “


Even when God has said “do this and be saved “ that’s not grace in this ideation so you don’t need to do it your already saved regardless of what you do grave is conditionless even if God sets clear conditions upon it it’s not grace sonyou divide all that stuff out

it’s just a heresy like many others to establish a heresy we have to uo front erase the truth or the lord can’t stand so it’s about how Jesus words aren’t for the Christian just for Jews so this

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

only for Jews not Gentiles Gentiles are saved by grace and bats the division that’s being suggested just what oaul says but only if it sounds conditionless so this also Paul’s words not for you

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This judgement paul wrote to the church not for you it’s only for Jews

“Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;


but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The truth is the same gospel Jesus preached to the Jews in Israel is the gospel all the apostles preached to Gentiles but the hyper grace structure can’t acknolwedge any of that so they wuote pauls letter to Timothy “ rightly divide the word “ meaning cut away anything that teaches you what to do d what not to do until all you have left is scattered scripture with no context that seems to say “ there’s nothing to see here your saved by grace “
Mal_3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Mal_3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
amen exactly my point

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭
 
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amen exactly my point

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭
Never question this = "What God has joined together, let no man separate."
 

John146

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#35
God is way ahead of everyone on this "flawed" thing.

For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

“For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
And do not return there,
But water the earth,
And make it bring forth and bud,
That it may give seed to the sower
And bread to the eater,
So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth;
It shall not return to Me void,
But it shall accomplish what I please,
And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.

Isaiah 55:8-11
God gave man his pure and holy word, told man to live by his word, but did not preserve his pure and holy word?
 

Dino246

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We are commanded to walk by faith not by sight. No signs needed. We have scripture. Scripture is enough.
Dead wrong. The Holy Spirit would not be given to believers if the Scripture were ‘enough’.
 

Dino246

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God gave man his pure and holy word, told man to live by his word, but did not preserve his pure and holy word?
Kindly leave your KJV-onlyism out of the conversation.
 

arthurfleminger

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Precious friends, for your Encouragement And Edification!:

Seven Basic Bible Facts!
Every Christian Should Know and Believe By Robert C. Brock
Editor of the Journal of Pauline Dispensationalism

FACT NO. 1—That the Bible MUST be rightly divided in order for it to make sense.
Notice what It says:
“Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that​
needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING The Word Of Truth”​
(II Tim. 2:15).​

This is one of the cardinal rules for interpreting the whole Bible. Neglect of this rule
or a faulty use of it will lead to only one result, CONFUSION, since our God is not
the author of confusion. The reason for a right division of the Bible is because of
God’s two distinct purposes:

(1) His purpose concerning Israel and​
the world according to PROPHECY,​
and​
(2) His purpose concerning the Gentiles in this present​
age according to The MYSTERY Revealed to Paul.​

God doesn’t want us to confuse the teaching of these two purposes. He
has Very Graciously Given us the key for a proper understanding of this.

(link: Seven Basic Bible Facts!)

to be continued...
What are Robert C. Brock's qualifications for being an expert on the Bible. Should you follow Mr Brock's guidance/instructions for reading the Bible or should you be praying to the Holy Spirit for guidance?

Mr Brock seems to be pushing forward a 'Pauline Dispensationalism' view of the Bible, in which Jesus and the Gospels were for Jewish ears and minds only and Paul's Epistles were for the Gentiles. The Pauline Dispensationalism division leads to Christians believing they don't have to listen to the Words of Christ in the Gospels. Nothing could be further from the truth.

So, again I ask, who is Robert Brock and what is his agenda? Thanks