Should a Christian tithe, what does the Bible say

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posthuman

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because if we circumcise after the first example we are debtors to do the whole law, but it is God who circumcises us now with the circcmcision made without hands, so that clearly shows, circumcision is very nessesary, an actual event and not a token

Colossians 2:11
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcisionmade without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
So also if we think we're paying tithes we're debtor to the whole Law.

But by saying all that Law is all standing today over us you're already saying we are debtors to keep it all. That's nonsense, mate.
 

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because if we circumcise after the first example we are debtors to do the whole law, but it is God who circumcises us now with the circcmcision made without hands, so that clearly shows, circumcision is very nessesary, an actual event and not a token

Colossians 2:11
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcisionmade without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
What it clearly shows is that shadows have been replaced with substance.
 

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He wanted an example of a law God gave that was not for all time and all people. He got it. You'd think he might say 'thanks'?

Nah just downvotes all the answers lol
 

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What it clearly shows is that shadows have been replaced with substance.
Yes replaced with substance, not giving less than ten percent, that would be no substance at all and would be more of a shadow than ever

So the examples are real and true, those thousands of believers didn't say what they owned was their own, they gave all away as every man had need, this is called true tithing

What example do you think you gave of something God did that was temporary like you, and not eternal like Himself

We are debtors to preach, and debtors to not sin, so we keep under our body and do like this..

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

1 Corinthians 9:16
For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

Mark 9:39
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightlyspeak evil of me.
 

posthuman

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Yes replaced with substance, not giving less than ten percent, that would be no substance at all and would be more of a shadow than ever
God has no need of human mammon.

Try looking deeper at real 'substance' :)
 

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You don't need to thank me for giving you all these answers posthuman, I was just glad to show them all for ya, the scriptures are all profitible for righteousness, right :)
 

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God has no need of human mammon.

Try looking deeper at real 'substance' :)
Keep talking anti Christ and I will just show what the word of Christ has to say

Proverbs 19:17
He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.
 

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What example do you think you gave of something God did that was temporary like you, and not eternal like Himself
Physical circumcision.
Priesthood of Levi.
Differentiation of clean and unclean meat.
Enmity between Jew and Gentile.
Physical temple.
Tzitzit.
Ceremonial washing.
The ashes of the red heifer.
Tithe.
Jubilee.
Stoning.


How many examples do you need?

And i exist forever because God remembers me forever. I am not my flesh and human existence entirely depends on the will of the Eternal One. As He wills it, so we exist.
 

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Physical circumcision.
Priesthood of Levi.
Differentiation of clean and unclean meat.
Enmity between Jew and Gentile.
Physical temple.
Tzitzit.
Ceremonial washing.
The ashes of the red heifer.

How many examples do you need?

And i exist forever because God remembers me forever. I am not my flesh.
Physical circumcision, in putting off the body the physical sins of the flesh

Priesthood changed, and we still pay tithes or it would not be a priesthood.

clean food is when we esteen clean, if not, it is unclean

The Jews are back in the land of Israel, gentiles attack them all around

The Jews are the ones who built the temple in the land of Israel, they have Jerusalem the place of the temple.

Platting of hair became this, all the same, but in the heart

1 Peter 3:
3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:

washing became through the word of Christ

and better than any heifer or animal offering could do, the Lamb

Hebrews 9:
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
 

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I wonder why it is too hard for you to notice, every part of that law continued, just as it says, magnified and made honourable

How are you going to show the law of Christ is not the same law to Israel, when nothing changed at all, but only it all advanced
 
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Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcisionmade without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Putting off the body the sins of the flesh is physical, it is true circumcision, because the first circumcision was only of flesh, not in putting off the body the sins of that flesh, so now it is circumcision made by God, and it is physical, because we physically put off the body that sins of the body and flesh through that same circumcision, all is related and is one
It's definitely not physical. Body of sins is a figure of speech. I've never heard of anyone having to dispose of a physical corpse once they become saved.
 

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It's definitely not physical. Body of sins is a figure of speech. I've never heard of anyone having to dispose of a physical corpse once they become saved.
Acts 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

Everything is physical, don't you read to see how silly and empty it is, when it is not..

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
 
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I wonder why it is too hard for you to notice, every part of that law continued, just as it says, magnified and made honourable

How are you going to show the law of Christ is not the same law to Israel, when nothing changed at all, but only it all advanced
Everything was superseded and subsumed by spiritual realities. Paying tithes now is giving back to GOD increase of fruit of the spirit, rather than increase of fruit of the ground. You need to get your mind off of earthly things and set it on heavenly things.
 

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1 Peter 1:8
Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

We might not see Christ, but He is very real, and was not just spirit, but blood too.

1 John 5:6
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spiritis truth.
 

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Everything was superseded and subsumed by spiritual realities. Paying tithes now is giving back to GOD increase of fruit of the spirit, rather than increase of fruit of the ground. You need to get your mind off of earthly things and set it on heavenly things.
Yes spirit and carnal

1 Corinthians 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
 

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Tithing is demonstrated, not an opinion, they gave with all they had, others give and pretend, decide as you all wish
 

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Tithing was an OT income tax collected from the state to take care of the tribe of LEVI, it is not a NT command, the churches that demand tithing are not speaking for God,
I have been an elder and deacon in 3 Reformed theology churches. I moved twice. Keep in mind that the expense of the building, maintenance, salaries of those working for the church, monies required for benevolent giving to those in need, etc. have to come from somewhere. Quibbling about the concept of tithe ignores the concept of freely giving of "tithes and offerings" as stated in the Bible. Whatever name you put on it the money is required for the local church to exist and help those in need. The church I attended one time carved out 10% of its income to go to the benevolent committee in addition to the offerings directed there. I have heard all of the arguments about the tithe but it is only quibbling about the number 10. A Christian should give because they feel led to by a desire to help others. The local gospel believing church is used this way to administer helping people in need because people come to them for help.
 

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Physical circumcision, in putting off the body the physical sins of the flesh

Priesthood changed, and we still pay tithes or it would not be a priesthood.

clean food is when we esteen clean, if not, it is unclean

The Jews are back in the land of Israel, gentiles attack them all around

The Jews are the ones who built the temple in the land of Israel, they have Jerusalem the place of the temple.

Platting of hair became this, all the same, but in the heart

1 Peter 3:
3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:

washing became through the word of Christ

and better than any heifer or animal offering could do, the Lamb

Hebrews 9:
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Shadows dissolved by light.

What were physical laws given by God to the children of Israel are no longer. We're not under law.

We don't "tithe" and we're not commanded to. People who say so abuse language.