Should a Christian tithe, what does the Bible say

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posthuman

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It's definitely not physical. Body of sins is a figure of speech. I've never heard of anyone having to dispose of a physical corpse once they become saved.
Is he telling us all to literally commit suicide?

Lol - but no laughing matter.
 

gb9

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Every man is res[posible for his own sins

Deuteronomy 24:16
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
It's definitely not physical. Body of sins is a figure of speech. I've never heard of anyone having to dispose of a physical corpse once they become saved.
you( h.r,f.t.d. ) have been around here, as have I. nothing you see should be surprising. saddening yes. surprising no.
 

7seasrekeyed

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No need for prophets now, prophets spoke moved by Christ, Christ fulfilled all, nice to hear your great opinions though :)

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were movedby the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 26:56
But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.

The money of Annias was his to give, because he didnt have that common heart like the others, who did not see that money as their own, read again..

Acts 4:32
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

huh

well you really are acting like a prophet though

you are overwriting the NT

you are one confused prophet though. Matt 26:56 refers to OT prophecy being fulfilled

you are adding to the word when you say you know that everyone's heart but the heart of Ananias was common in intent

if everyone was so cool with the event, why does the scripture say that everyone became very afraid? you know...they should have been clapping and saying 'how neat...God stikes liars dead'..but that was not the reaction at all. were there maybe more liars that they should be afraid and maybe stop lying? is that what it takes to have an honest heart? doesn't seem like someone who would follow their Savior willingly or do what they do for love of Him

when we are told they had all things in common, it does not mean no one owned anything. it means what someone had was at the liberty of another to use. like me saying to my cousin 'you can borrow my car' it's not his car. it's my car but he can use it

however your worst offence, for overlooking the word, STILL exemplifies your admittance that Peter told Ananias ALL the money from the sale of the land was his own for his use

so come and tell us how that means no one owned anything

try to do that without using OT scripture, doing a mashup on NT scripture and misinterpreting what is actually said and giving new and personally interpretive views that make no sense

try to stick to the narrative...that YOU brought up...and tell us how a person being able to keep all of their money means a tithe or means they are godless or any other negative impact on their standing with God
 

7seasrekeyed

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Nice avatar picture you have there seasrekeyed

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

another boring ad hominum attack

FYI, that is a Siberian husky in my avie...I have several...and I love the breed. you may be familiar with the serum run to Nome circa 1925 that saved the town from many more deaths? no? well then let's have a look at the wolf thing

this, from an actual OT prophet:

The wolf shall dwell with the lamb,
and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together;
and a little child shall lead them. Isaiah 11:6

your attitude is deteriorating rapidly

but for the record, I would have no problem displaying a wolf or for that matter an entire pack of the beautiful creatures

hypocrites in this world usually are bi-ped
 

7seasrekeyed

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Every man is res[posible for his own sins

Deuteronomy 24:16
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

ummm...have you read the gospels?

if we are in Christ Jesus we are no longer under sentence of death

we are reborn and our sins are as far as the east from the west

now maybe you believe you will die for your sins, but a believer will not

perchance God will grant you your wish? is that what you have in mind?

you can't make this stuff up :rolleyes:
 

Dino246

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Tithing is demonstrated, not an opinion, they gave with all they had, others give and pretend, decide as you all wish
That you continue with this falsehood indicates that you are both stubborn and resistant to truth.

Your understanding is significantly darkened.

Jesus died to set you free. You have bound yourself in grave clothes once again, and they stink.
 

Dino246

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I have been an elder and deacon in 3 Reformed theology churches. I moved twice. Keep in mind that the expense of the building, maintenance, salaries of those working for the church, monies required for benevolent giving to those in need, etc. have to come from somewhere. Quibbling about the concept of tithe ignores the concept of freely giving of "tithes and offerings" as stated in the Bible. Whatever name you put on it the money is required for the local church to exist and help those in need. The church I attended one time carved out 10% of its income to go to the benevolent committee in addition to the offerings directed there. I have heard all of the arguments about the tithe but it is only quibbling about the number 10. A Christian should give because they feel led to by a desire to help others. The local gospel believing church is used this way to administer helping people in need because people come to them for help.
There is no such thing as "freely giving of tithes" in Scripture... anywhere.

Tithing and giving are not synonymous. Suggesting that they are only brings confusion.

Christians are encouraged to give generously, but not encouraged to pay tithes. What your church did is great, but it has nothing to do with "tithing". :)
 

Jackson123

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Lets see if seeing tithing as anything at all to do with giving, and giving generously, leads to confusion or to being set free by the truth..

The old covenant was in the letter, mans way without faith, without knowledge, ignoring all the things to believe in of spirit, because they are only flesh talking, as seen when people talk about tithes here, and why they insist it was for Israel only, proves they have no such faith as Abraham, as Abraham is the father of us all, Abraham received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of faith when he was still uncircumcised, which enables him to be the father of us all that believe this same way, walking in the SAME STEPS of that faith of our father Abraham.

Abraham brought back all the goods, and the promise for Abraham to be heir to the world, was not through any law(not through tithing that was a law) it was through tithing that was generous giving of Abraham. In Genesis 14, we see Abraham responded to the priest of the most high God, and gave Him tithes of all.

Looking through eyes of faith( as a Christian does) and not looking through the law in letters, we see it is relevant for Christians to be taught this, for it is contained in our new testament. The King of righteousness and peace met Abraham, at the exact time when Abraham was successful, and when Abraham had wealth gathered, He came to him. This was the blessing to Abraham and Abraham knew that, and not out of necessity, but generously gave a tenth of the spoils, because there was no law for Abraham, ALL WAS BY THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF FAITH, as Abraham is this example only to this entire world. The man was great it is recorded, to whom EVEN the Patriach Abraham gave(give generously) tenth(tithe) of the spoils. Levi had a commandment to take tithes of the people in the law. But He who is not decent from the Levis, received tithes of Abraham, as Abraham gave them by faith not within any requirements, demands, expectations, not by any law. This blessed Abraham who had the promises to be heir to us all through faith, so we know assuredly, Abraham gave generously through faith a tithe of all and we cannot have a different faith, especially as Christ has an everlasting and unchanging priesthood, to make intercession for us, to bless us, but not if we do differently from Abraham's example of faith, and harden our heart and through flesh excuse why we boast we can do a different way, but there is no other way in but the one walked in already and shown, as Levi payed tithes in Abraham, in faith that is, as we do too, or we have no like faith, which all goes together, to show, the greater matters of the law are FAITH..

Romans 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.



Genesis 14:16 And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people.
17 And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale.
18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.



Hebrews 7:7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hebrews 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he EVER LIVETH to make intercession for them.
26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the WEIGHTIER MATTERS OF THE LAW, JUDGEMENT, MERCY, AND FAITH: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

So the one who claims that tithing and giving are not the same, claims Abraham did not give generously, which is a rediculus unfounded false claim, that bounty was made up for Abraham and for us all through faith, because of course Abraham gave and gave generously from the spoils, and this was a tenth, and this was tithing, this was Abraham's good work as it is ours too through faith in Christ which is our righteousness remaining forever.

2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth FOR EVER.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
So you believe Christian must tithing or must give all to the Lord?

Do you give all you have to church?
 

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There are so many scriptures, and none of you seem interested in giving any for what Christians do, of giving, of what we receive after, good or bad, and the only comments there are, are complaints about too many scriptures, and only approval of vain mans propaganda, and lying excuses why they do not need to do anything, as if Jesus never gave any commandments.

The hard heart can be told this anyway, wrath is treasured up, as God judges righteously, rendering to every on, without exception accordingly, whether you did deeds, in well doing, or you disobeyed the actual truth to do self works of unrighteousness, then you receive the wrath that you gave out, and you fail to receive the mercy because you did not give mercy, when you were well able to give it. Doing evil, or doing good, you decide, for you will receive no respect of persons with God, and no, you are not saved, for as many, yes as many as sin without law shall perish without law, and the ones in the law judged by the law, because only, the doers of that same one law are just before God, as some Gentiles do by nature what is CONTAINED in that law(of Israel of course mockers here) and they SHOW the work of the Law to Israel(and to all the world) written in their hearts, the new covenant, directly and entirely linked with the old testament.


Romans 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Remember to show mercy, or if you do not delight in blessing others, you will never find blessing when you want it, and i all of this testimony makes no sense, it is because of the first time, there was no faith mixed in those who heard it.

Psalms 109:16 Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but persecuted the poor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in heart.
17 As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.
18 As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.

Hebrews 4:4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
 

7seasrekeyed

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There are so many scriptures, and none of you seem interested in giving any for what Christians do, of giving, of what we receive after, good or bad, and the only comments there are, are complaints about too many scriptures, and only approval of vain mans propaganda, and lying excuses why they do not need to do anything, as if Jesus never gave any commandments.

The hard heart can be told this anyway, wrath is treasured up, as God judges righteously, rendering to every on, without exception accordingly, whether you did deeds, in well doing, or you disobeyed the actual truth to do self works of unrighteousness, then you receive the wrath that you gave out, and you fail to receive the mercy because you did not give mercy, when you were well able to give it. Doing evil, or doing good, you decide, for you will receive no respect of persons with God, and no, you are not saved, for as many, yes as many as sin without law shall perish without law, and the ones in the law judged by the law, because only, the doers of that same one law are just before God, as some Gentiles do by nature what is CONTAINED in that law(of Israel of course mockers here) and they SHOW the work of the Law to Israel(and to all the world) written in their hearts, the new covenant, directly and entirely linked with the old testament.


Romans 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Remember to show mercy, or if you do not delight in blessing others, you will never find blessing when you want it, and i all of this testimony makes no sense, it is because of the first time, there was no faith mixed in those who heard it.

Psalms 109:16 Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but persecuted the poor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in heart.
17 As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.
18 As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.

Hebrews 4:4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

you can't even apologize (not that I need one) for calling me a wolf because of my avatar...which is a dog

how can you think you can teach us anything when you fail the simplest of tasks?

if a person cannot be decent enough just to say they are wrong on a simple matter like your mistake, then why should anyone believe they have some kind of revelation by smacking together unrelated scriptures and marrying OT scriptures to NT scriptures and saying it is truth?

I don't think you get it

totally ignoring what you did and what you said is a very definitive revelation of your thinking processes

I really don't care about an apology. it is for your own good to admit that you do not seem to see clearly and need correction as people here have been trying to get across to you
 

Dino246

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There are so many scriptures, and none of you seem interested in giving any for what Christians do, of giving, of what we receive after, good or bad, and the only comments there are, are complaints about too many scriptures, and only approval of vain mans propaganda, and lying excuses why they do not need to do anything, as if Jesus never gave any commandments.
More false accusations based on stubborn unwillingness to accept simple truth.
 

7seasrekeyed

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The hard heart can be told this anyway, wrath is treasured up, as God judges righteously, rendering to every on, without exception accordingly, whether you did deeds, in well doing, or you disobeyed the actual truth to do self works of unrighteousness, then you receive the wrath that you gave out, and you fail to receive the mercy because you did not give mercy, when you were well able to give it. Doing evil, or doing good, you decide, for you will receive no respect of persons with God, and no, you are not saved, for as many, yes as many as sin without law shall perish without law, and the ones in the law judged by the law, because only, the doers of that same one law are just before God, as some Gentiles do by nature what is CONTAINED in that law(of Israel of course mockers here) and they SHOW the work of the Law to Israel(and to all the world) written in their hearts, the new covenant, directly and entirely linked with the old testament.
the hard heart also lifts its head in pride and says 'I am never wrong'

yes, God judges righteously

and tells us that we will be judged according to our own judgement

so does that make YOU the wolf then?
 

7seasrekeyed

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That you continue with this falsehood indicates that you are both stubborn and resistant to truth.

Your understanding is significantly darkened.

Jesus died to set you free. You have bound yourself in grave clothes once again, and they stink.

misery loves company

he wants everyone to join him in his tomb
 

7seasrekeyed

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here is a clear and concise pattern for a believer in Christ Jesus to follow with regards to tithing

all is supported with scripture and source provided . this is straight from scripture so naysayers just don't even wanna know ...they just wanna judge and fake knowledge in order to control and that spirit is most definitely NOT of God. control, intimidation, name calling etc etc, is not evidence of the Spirit of God.




Why Tithing Is Not Required Today
There are seven decisive reasons for saying Christians are not required to tithe.
1. Believers are no longer under the Mosaic covenant (Rom. 6:14–15; 7:5–6; Gal. 3:15–4:7; 2 Cor. 3:4–18).
The commands stipulated in the Mosaic covenant are no longer in force for believers. Some appeal to the division between the civil, ceremonial, and moral law to support tithing. Yet these divisions, I would observe, are not the basis Paul uses when addressing how the law applies to us today. And even if we use these distinctions, tithing is clearly not part of the moral law. It’s true the moral norms of the Old Testament are still in force today, and we discern them from the law of Christ in the New Testament, but tithing is not among these commands.
2. The examples of Abraham and Jacob are not normative patterns.
Some think tithing is required because both Abraham and Jacob gave a tenth, and they both lived before the Mosaic covenant was in place. Such examples hardly prove tithing is for all time, however. Abraham’s gift to Melchizedek was a one-time event; there is no evidence he regularly gave God a tenth.
Jacob’s giving of a tenth signified his gratefulness to God for promising to be with him and to protect him. His gratefulness and generosity still speak to us today, but a historical description of what Jacob gave doesn’t support the idea that all believers must give God a tenth of their income.
3. Tithes were given to the Levites and priests, but there are no Levites and priests in the new covenant.
Levites and priests were tied to the sacrificial system of the old covenant. Now all believers are priests (1 Pet. 2:9; Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6), with Jesus as our Melchizedekian high priest (Heb. 7).
4. The tithe is tied to the land Israel received under the old covenant.
Israel was supposed to celebrate a tithe every three years in Jerusalem. But that requirement cannot apply to Christians today. It related to the Jews as a nation—to Jews who lived in the land of promise. With the coming of Christ, the Jewish nation is no longer the locus of God’s people, though individual Jews are part of the church through faith in Jesus.
The earthly Jerusalem is no longer central in God’s purposes (Gal. 4:25). Believers are part of the heavenly Jerusalem (Gal. 4:26) and look forward to the city to come (Heb. 11:10), to the new heavens and new earth (Rev. 21:1–22:5). Abraham isn’t heir of the land of Israel, but of the whole world (Rom. 4:13).
5. If tithing is required today, how much should we give?
As noted above, the number was certainly more than 10 percent and closer to 20 percent. Those who advocate tithing should probably settle on 20 percent.
6. When Jesus affirmed the tithe, it was before the dawn of the new covenant.
Some defend tithing by saying Jesus praised tithing, even if he said it was less important than other things (Matt. 23:23; Luke 11:42). This argument appears strong, but it’s not persuasive. Jesus also mentioned offering sacrifices in the temple (Matt. 5:23–24), but Christians don’t think—even if the temple were rebuilt—that we should do that. Our Lord’s words are understandable when we think about his location in redemptive history.

Jesus spoke about sacrifices and tithing before the cross and resurrection, before the dawn of the new covenant. He used tithing and sacrifices as illustrations when addressing his contemporaries. He kept the law since he was “born under the law” (Gal. 4:4). But we can no more take his words as a commendation for tithing today than we can his words about offering sacrifices.
7. Nowhere is tithing mentioned when commands to give generously are found in the New Testament.

When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe.” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43–47; 4:32–37; 11:27–30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1–9:15). For example, 1 Corinthians 16:1–4—a passage often cited in popular circles in support—doesn’t mention tithing; it relates to a one-time gift for poor saints in Jerusalem.
Give Generously
Even though tithing isn’t required today, it does not follow that believers should hoard their possessions.
We are commanded to support those who preach the gospel (Matt. 10:10; Luke 10:7; 1 Cor. 9:6–14; 1 Tim. 5:17–18). And while we should enjoy the good things God gives us, we are also called to be generous to those in need (1 Tim. 6:17–19; 2 Cor. 8–9). Wealth can so easily become an idol, leading us to abandon the Lord.
Since God is to be our treasure, believers are to give generously and freely. For many in the West, this will mean giving more than 10 percent.
Still, Scripture doesn’t command Christians to give a tenth—and Scripture, not tradition, is our rule and authority.

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Galatians 4
4 What I am saying is that as long as an heir is underage, he is no different from a slave, although he owns the whole estate. 2 The heir is subject to guardians and trustees until the time set by his father. 3 So also, when we were underage, we were in slavery under the elemental spiritual forces[a] of the world. 4 But when the set time had fully come,God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeemthose under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.[b]6 Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba,[c] Father.” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but God’s child; and since you are his child, God has made you also an heir.

Paul’s Concern for the Galatians
8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces[d]? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.


12 I plead with you, brothers and sisters, become like me, for I became like you. You did me no wrong. 13 As you know, it was because of an illness that I first preached the gospel to you, 14 and even though my illness was a trial to you, you did not treat me with contempt or scorn. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself. 15 Where, then, is your blessing of me now? I can testify that, if you could have done so, you would have torn out your eyes and given them to me. 16 Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?

17 Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us, so that you may have zeal for them. 18 It is fine to be zealous, provided the purpose is good, and to be so always, not just when I am with you. 19 My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you, 20 how I wish I could be with you now and change my tone, because I am perplexed about you!

Hagar and Sarah
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[e]
28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f]31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
 
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Luke 6:38 (NLT) (New Testament)

"Give, and you will receive. Your gift will return to you in full—pressed down, shaken together to make room for more, running over, and poured into your lap. The amount you give will determine the amount you get back."
 

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The principle of tithing was exampled by Abraham before the old covenant.

Jesus quoted from Malachi yet did not tell us that tithing is a thing of the past and is no longer a principle. Tithing, like all other areas of the bible, can be turned legalistic and that was never it's intent. It is not a law of salvation, never has been.

Consider the tree in the Garden of Eden. God said that Adam and Eve could eat freely of all of the trees (let's just imagine 90%), but that this one tree, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil they are not to partake of (let's just imagine 10%). The point is that We are to enjoy that which God intends for us and to abstain from that which he does not intend for us.

Tithing is a principle that is not about money, but about oh so much more than that.
I have heard it said that "God does not need your money". This is absolutely true, but on the same level as with unforgiveness, the person who wronged you does not need your forgiveness. You forgive somebody and YOU get the most benefit from it. When you exercise discipline in an area of your life, and you choose to bless and to honor God by taking away from yourself and "giving to God" YOU are the one who gets the most benefit from it. This is one of the reasons that God gave us the challenge in Malachi and actually even told us to "Test Him" in this area, to see that He would respond and we would grow and receive benefit from our choices.

A tithe is 10% - that is actually the meaning of the word. It is not a law, it is a principle. Similar to sowing and reaping (which also has not been repealed).
Very good post.

God gave us free will, but instructs us to let Him guide our footsteps. So we would give parts of our "free will" back to Him, knowing that He knows better than us.. God gave us 7 days in a week, but instructs us to give Him the Seventh back for the same reason. God gave us "Pride" but instructs us to give this "pride" to Him in order to grow humility.

I think your statement about forgiveness and tithing is spot on when it is done in the service of God. His instructions are for us, not Him.

Duet. 10:
12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?

16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Great perspective,

Thank you :)
 

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Luke 6:38 (NLT) (New Testament)

"Give, and you will receive. Your gift will return to you in full—pressed down, shaken together to make room for more, running over, and poured into your lap. The amount you give will determine the amount you get back."
This verse is not tithing. This verse Not regulate precented tithing regulate precented.
 

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It was happen in one of a rural church, in Indonesia, most member was low income, they were farmer. One of the farmer has a cow. Farmer in Indonesia not like in America. American farmer may has thousand cows. Indonesian farmer usually has 2 or 3 cows, they are poor. This farmer sale one of the cow to the market. His pastor go with him to see how much is the selling price and calculate the tithe. He teach that if you not tithe you are a thief you steal the Lord money