Should I lie?

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Steve2008

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Hi,

I'm looking for bible based opinions on if it's ok to lie here. Please ignore morality, the consequences of Islam, and the lying of my partner. Thanks.

I'm planning on marrying a Cristian who converted from Islam but didn't have the courage to tell her family.

Her family naturally expects me to convert to Islam to be with her.

Is it acceptable to go through the process / rituals lying so that she does not loose her family. She still plans to tell them she converted but doesn't have the courage yet.

Thanks
 
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John 8:44 ESV You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

So if Satan is the father of lies then if we lie that would make us no different than him. Don't lie

~Revelation 21:8 ESV But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
 
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Willie-T

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That's pretty much a flat, "No."
 
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No, I don't think that any good will come out of lying. If you believe in what you are doing than have the courage to tell the truth. Welcome to CC.
 
Magenta

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How militant are her family in their adherence to Islamic ideals? Islamic women are not normally allowed to marry non-Muslim men because any children you have legally belong to you in their system. Islamic men are allowed to marry outside their faith. Their book also tells them to kill the infidel. That would be her for abandoning her Islamic faith.
 
blue_ladybug

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nope...................
 
MultilingualMessenger

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Steve2008 said:
Hi,

I'm looking for bible based opinions on if it's ok to lie here. Please ignore morality, the consequences of Islam, and the lying of my partner. Thanks.

I'm planning on marrying a Cristian who converted from Islam but didn't have the courage to tell her family.

Her family naturally expects me to convert to Islam to be with her.

Is it acceptable to go through the process / rituals lying so that she does not loose her family. She still plans to tell them she converted but doesn't have the courage yet.

Thanks
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You should not lie. It'll be tough in this situation, but you have to tell the truth.
 
Yonah

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it is never ok to acknowledge other gods we are held accountable for every idle word, (Matt. 12:36) I would seriously consider this and rely on the Power of the real God to lead guide and protect you both.
 
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Steve2008 said:
Hi,

I'm looking for bible based opinions on if it's ok to lie here. Please ignore morality, the consequences of Islam, and the lying of my partner. Thanks.

I'm planning on marrying a Cristian who converted from Islam but didn't have the courage to tell her family.

Her family naturally expects me to convert to Islam to be with her.

Is it acceptable to go through the process / rituals lying so that she does not loose her family. She still plans to tell them she converted but doesn't have the courage yet.

Thanks
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In Genesis 12 & 20, Abraham told a half lie about his wife Sarah. He said that she was his sister, when she was his wife, to try and protect their lives. It's a half lie because, Sarah was his half sister. Genesis 26, Isaac lied about his wife Rebekah and said she was his sister to protect their lives. Genesis 27, Jacob lies about being Esau to take his blessing. He lied to receive blessings and not for protection, but God still blesses him even though he lied. Moss' mother lied about having a baby and hides him to protect him, and we know how that turns out. Joshua 2, the prostitute, Rehab, protected the 2 spies by lying.

I'm not sharing all of this to say, It's okay to lie. I'm sharing this because you asked to "ignore morality". Plus, knowing a little about Islam, wouldn't you be protecting yourself and your wife to lie? Once again, I'm not saying, "Lie". What I would like to point out is, PRAY! In this situation, I would fast and pray before telling her family. Ask God for protection. Seek Him for guidance and ask that He speaks lovingly through you to her family. Be loving towards them, but don't let them talk you out of your faith. I hope I'm making sense.
 
Angela53510

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This is a really bad situation. Your fiancée really needs to be honest first. But if she won't, then you are going to have to tell the truth. That means you may lose her, and who knows what else the family will do.

Sorry, I can't believe that starting a marriage with a total lie to the family is the right thing to do. But I do understand that telling the truth is going to have a lot of repercussions.
 
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Sooooo.... is Corrie ten Boom in danger of hell for lying? Her entire family helped the Jews escape the Nazi Holocaust during WWII. They hid many of the Jews & other refugees in a secret room. So are you saying when the Gestapo came to her home and asked if there were any Jews there, do you believe her family should have told the truth? Because according to what everyone posted above, you would have Corrie to answer, "Oh yes, we have the Jews hidden in a secret place right behind that wall." :confused:

There are also instances in the Bible where people lied and helped God's people to hide away and escape.

God knows our heart. I would ask God for wisdom because He will answer & He has mercy.
 
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Lies are of that wicked one
 
MultilingualMessenger

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VioletReigns said:
Sooooo.... is Corrie ten Boom in danger of hell for lying? Her entire family helped the Jews escape the Nazi Holocaust during WWII. They hid many of the Jews & other refugees in a secret room. So are you saying when the Gestapo came to her home and asked if there were any Jews there, do you believe her family should have told the truth? Because according to what everyone posted above, you would have Corrie to answer, "Oh yes, we have the Jews hidden in a secret place right behind that wall." :confused:

There are also instances in the Bible where people lied and helped God's people to hide away and escape.

God knows our heart. I would ask God for wisdom because He will answer & He has mercy.
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I get it. But he can't go through those rituals to get into Islam, real or faked...it's just not okay.

They may end up in danger, but there are people who had knives put to their neck who didn't deny Jesus still.

Whether it ends up dangerous or not, he should still remain as blameless as he can.
 
Willie-T

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VioletReigns said:
Sooooo.... is Corrie ten Boom in danger of hell for lying? Her entire family helped the Jews escape the Nazi Holocaust during WWII. They hid many of the Jews & other refugees in a secret room. So are you saying when the Gestapo came to her home and asked if there were any Jews there, do you believe her family should have told the truth? Because according to what everyone posted above, you would have Corrie to answer, "Oh yes, we have the Jews hidden in a secret place right behind that wall." :confused:

There are also instances in the Bible where people lied and helped God's people to hide away and escape.

God knows our heart. I would ask God for wisdom because He will answer & He has mercy.
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Uh... he didn't ask if he should just lie to protect someone. He asked if he should publically denounce our Lord, and claim he wanted to be a follower of Mohammed.
 
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Steve2008 said:
Hi,

I'm looking for bible based opinions on if it's ok to lie here. Please ignore morality, the consequences of Islam, and the lying of my partner. Thanks.

I'm planning on marrying a Cristian who converted from Islam but didn't have the courage to tell her family.

Her family naturally expects me to convert to Islam to be with her.

Is it acceptable to go through the process / rituals lying so that she does not loose her family. She still plans to tell them she converted but doesn't have the courage yet.

Thanks
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I am a bit confused..I would say that the moment she became a christian, she knew she would lose her family if they are Islam. Yet, she wants to keep them..and it is not right that now she wants to put a wedge between you, and her family. Dangerous ground, I would not play with those matches! She needs to confess truth, not live in a lie that will surely be exposed someday!
 
MultilingualMessenger

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biblicalsandy said:
I am a bit confused..I would say that the moment she became a christian, she knew she would lose her family if they are Islam. Yet, she wants to keep them..and it is not right that now she wants to put a wedge between you, and her family. Dangerous ground, I would not play with those matches! She needs to confess truth, not live in a lie that will surely be exposed someday!
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I'm glad you said this because you just reminded me: you have to love God more than you love your family. This is something they need to know.
 
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biblicalsandy

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I am starting to wonder if this OP is linked with London2015 in trolling?
 
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VioletReigns

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Willie-T said:
Uh... he didn't ask if he should just lie to protect someone. He asked if he should publically denounce our Lord, and claim he wanted to be a follower of Mohammed.
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I'm sorry, Willie. You're correct, of course. Denouncing Jesus would be very wrong.

But I wasn't addressing the op, I was suggesting that there are times when to expose the truth might be very dangerous for someone. Like when we are protecting one of God's people.
 
Magenta

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I never said one way or another whether the OP should tell the truth or not. I see upon closer inspection that I actually answered in ways he told me not to, since he essentially asked us all to ignore the the circumstances he is in, which is a ridiculous request to make when seeking advice or suggestions from others.

Realistically, OP is asking if becoming a Muslim under false pretenses is a good idea, with a view to reneging on this in future. The answer of course is no. This again ignores the request for me to ignore the repercussions/consequences of Islam. Not only is his bride-to-be an infidel, but he he plans on making himself one too, while renouncing Christ. Living a lie is not a good idea.
 
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