Should We Still Keep the Feasts

[royalscot]

How can the non-Messianic Rabbis follow the law without a physical temple? They don't know about both circumcision and the temple made without hands.

The law given to Moses is Spiritual for us today. We can be subject to the law with the Spiritual mind we have received through Christ. Being subject to the law is listening to it with great respect. (fearing the Lord) This doesn't mean that we are sinless and have ceased in fighting with the fleshly desires. Even in the Old Covenant, the law made stipulation for people that transgressed, same as we have in Christ Jesus today. Because they (Israel during Moses' day) believed in the atonement for sins, through the shedding of blood, the priesthood and God's promises, they would be forgiven if they trusted in God's promises/word.

Today we have a temple made without hands, and a High Priest to offer us as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable unto God which is our reasonable service. Now instead of just covering our sinfulness when we error, through Christ, our sins are in remission, not just covered by making sacrifice after sacrifice with animals. We still have a temple with the same principles as the old, and a final sacrifice with a High Priest who will never die, unlike the old having to have an heir to the priesthood to take his place generation after generation. Instead of God's spirit sitting on a physical mercy seat, He dwells within us because we are now the temple, and our High Priest is Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come , by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say , not of this building;

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy ; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

If it wasn't for the law, we would never know these things in relation to the New Covenant of Jesus Christ. We would have nothing to compare the New Covenant with or know what it was all about if we didn't have this parable of the Old Covenant i.e. "shadow of things to come". If you cannot see the relationship of this you are only seeing it in the physical and carnal mindset.

Romans 8:5-7
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be .

carnal mind, you cant even read basic english,


[SUP]21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it---22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
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[kennethcadwell]

When you read scripture without thinking of the circumstance the scripture was written to, you get it mixed up. That is what has happened here, and I will spell it out, but for some strange reason, when it comes to what scripture says, once an idea of what it is about gets in a mind it is stuck there.

Until Christ was crucified when a gentile decided to make the one true God their God they went through a sort of process we do not to become citizens of another country. They became Jews. Then scores of people wanted to join, some only going to the synagogue. Many were not sincere and fell away, taking Jews with them to their fun secular parties and idol worship. The Rabbis decided to make anyone who wanted to join them take on the customs of Jews, the tightened the requirements. The called these rules the Law of Moses, and said no physical circumcision, then God won't accept you. We read a lot about it in the New Testament.

Paul was given a special commission to break this order down, Paul almost lost his life over this.

James, brother of Christ, was in charge of the council in Jerusalem head of the church. They had to pass on whether or not the gentiles had to do these things or not. That is what Acts 15 is about. The decision of the council was that they did not have to become Jews to be accepted by God, but they had to learn about the God they were now worshipping. It was in the synagogue they could learn, they had to be accepted into instructions there, but every synagogue would not let gentiles in to hear the word. However, if they would obey the laws given in Acts 15, the synagogue would let these people come to hear the words of the Lord.

Act 15:20 but instead we should write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from eating anything that has been strangled, and from blood.

Act 15:21 For since ancient times, Moses has had those who proclaim him in every city, and every Sabbath day he is read aloud in the synagogues."

Honestly this is how it is, but I really don't think anyone will be able to hear me to check me out for if it is true or not.

I do wonder if our debates leads anyone to truth. The debate is meant to lead others to where the information presented comes from and check for accuracy. For instance when one says we are not to listen to law and gives scripture, and another says scripture also says to follow law, you would think that posters would check out law thoroughly to see the truth.

Yes, I see where you are coming but I did not get it mixed up.
It was a decision being made on rather gentile believers had to follow the customs and traditions from the OT and in the mosaic laws. The answer they came back with on what we are to follow is given in this scripture.

We are still to follow God's moral laws, that is a given.
This is the issue that people have when it comes to talking about and debating the laws.
There is two sets of laws, Gods moral laws and the mosaic laws. God's moral laws of love, forgiveness, and helping others is what we are to follow. The mosaic laws which are the written laws in ordinances are the ones we are not under.

The 10 commandments even though they are in the mosaic law, are God's moral laws as well.

In the mosaic laws a women caught in adultery was stoned to death, Lord our God's moral laws says not to do this for we are all guilty of sin.

 

[royalscot]

Yes, I see where you are coming but I did not get it mixed up.
It was a decision being made on rather gentile believers had to follow the customs and traditions from the OT and in the mosaic laws. The answer they came back with on what we are to follow is given in this scripture.

We are still to follow God's moral laws, that is a given.
This is the issue that people have when it comes to talking about and debating the laws.
There is two sets of laws, Gods moral laws and the mosaic laws. God's moral laws of love, forgiveness, and helping others is what we are to follow. The mosaic laws which are the written laws in ordinances are the ones we are not under.

The 10 commandments even though they are in the mosaic law, are God's moral laws as well.

In the mosaic laws a women caught in adultery was stoned to death, Lord our God's moral laws says not to do this for we are all guilty of sin.

acts 15
they could have said keep and follow the full law of moses ,
they could have said keep and follow, the 10 comandment, etc

they never.

christin gentile, sects and religions have twisted it, with there taboos and dogmas.
becuase they never understood the difference between the new and old covenants. etc

 

[peacefulbeliever]

To deny any part of God's "Word" which exemplifies His character and calling it irrelevant or useless for the Gentile Christians, or any part of the human race is denying the Lord.

Name=8034 shem shame a primitive word (perhaps rather from 7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position; Compare 8064); an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character:--+ base, (in-)fame(-ous), named(-d), renown, report.

Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

vain=7723 shav' shawv or shav {shav}; from the same as 7722 in the sense of *desolating; evil (as destructive), literally (ruin) or morally (especially guile); figuratively idolatry (as false, subjective), uselessness (as deceptive, objective; also adverbially, in vain):--false(-ly), lie, lying, vain, vanity.

*desolating=to make (a place) bleakly and depressingly empty or bare.

The thing is just-me - I have not DENIED any part of God's word - I admitted that the feasts were prophetic shadows and the shadows were written and are there for our learning just as all the OT is BUT the shadows are no longer there regarding the Feast of Passover, the Feast of Unleavened bread, the Feast of First Fruits and the Feast of Weeks because Jesus has revealed them and them to light. Jesus Christ fulfilled those "shadows" so therefore those shadows are irrelevant now. They had there place in history but why should I keep going back to the "shadows" when they have been fulfilled in Christ? And yes, there are 3 more feast to come and Christ will bring them to light when he comes again. BTW, There are no Gentile Christians nor Jewish Christians - we are supposed to be all one in the body of Christ - no longer two but ONE within the body "where there is neither Jew nor Gentile".

I have not taken the name of the the LORD in vain and if that is what you see . . . then the law that you love to live in and rejoice in has made you very judgmental along with RedTent.

 

[kennethcadwell]

acts 15
they could have said keep and follow the full law of moses ,
they could have said keep and follow, the 10 comandment, etc

they never.

christin gentile, sects and religions have twisted it, with there taboos and dogmas.
becuase they never understood the difference between the new and old covenants. etc

Yes and they still try to do it even today.
I have seen some on here as well who will try to debate with you that there is no difference in the two.
I have tried to point out the differences many of times in the past with scripture.

 

[just-me]

The law given to Moses is Spiritual for us today. We can be subject to the law with the Spiritual mind we have received through Christ.

If it wasn't for the law, we would never know these things in relation to the New Covenant of Jesus Christ. We would have nothing to compare the New Covenant with or know what it was all about if we didn't have this parable of the Old Covenant i.e. "shadow of things to come". If you cannot see the relationship of this you are only seeing it in the physical and carnal mindset.

Romans 8:5-7
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be .

carnal mind, you cant even read basic english,


[SUP]21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it---22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
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this is complete of what I quoted of myself
I see a whole lot. The gift of "discerning of spirits" are invoked. 1 Corinthians 12:10 LOL
I'm sure everybody can see more than your huge words.
Romans 3:21-26
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested , being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe : for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned , and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

So, instead of listening to God and His word, you are deciding that "goats are unbelievers". On this pronouncement of yours you stake your belief that we must not listen to scripture!

And an excuse to not listen to scripture is what emphasis you see given to different verses?

I should think your study of scripture would be a lot more productive if you would just listen to the Lord and accept what the Lord says instead of pulling each verse apart to see if you can't make it say what you would like it to say.

Instead of pulling the bible apart to see how not to accept and grow in the Lord, it would be more in keeping with the Lord to see how each scripture shows us ways to understand and grow. Then learning about the symbolism God uses goats for in order to know what isn't so, you would find this symbolism to learn more of the Lord's ways.

I have never told YOU NOT TO LISTEN to scripture. Emphasis has been given to NT scripture for they are addressed to the "church" - doesn't negate the OT - I agree that the OT is written for our learning and for our understanding but the NT reveals the OT - not the other way around!

As to the "goats", I DIDN'T DECIDE that "goats" figuratively point to - unbelievers. I deduce that from reading. God's right hand is the hand of blessing - "he shall set the sheep on his right hand" and he said unto those on his right hand, "Come ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

His left hand is the hand of cursing "but the goats on the left" and said unto them "Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:"

 

[just-me]

I have never told YOU NOT TO LISTEN to scripture. Emphasis has been given to NT scripture for they are addressed to the "church" - doesn't negate the OT - I agree that the OT is written for our learning and for our understanding but the NT reveals the OT - not the other way around!

As to the "goats", I DIDN'T DECIDE that "goats" figuratively point to - unbelievers. I deduce that from reading. God's right hand is the hand of blessing - "he shall set the sheep on his right hand" and he said unto those on his right hand, "Come ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

His left hand is the hand of cursing "but the goats on the left" and said unto them "Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:"

I agree. I had to read over twice what I have made bold, but now I see that you are saying you (me included) are not the judges between the sheep and the goats. It is only God who is righteous enough to do that. Amen

But we can judge righteous judgment, and we will know them by their fruits. Sometimes we can see better in CC because we are not looking at the outward appearance. We are just seeing what people write from their heart. (smile)

Matthew 7:16-20
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits . Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down , and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I have never told YOU NOT TO LISTEN to scripture. Emphasis has been given to NT scripture for they are addressed to the "church" - doesn't negate the OT - I agree that the OT is written for our learning and for our understanding but the NT reveals the OT - not the other way around!

As to the "goats", I DIDN'T DECIDE that "goats" figuratively point to - unbelievers. I deduce that from reading. God's right hand is the hand of blessing - "he shall set the sheep on his right hand" and he said unto those on his right hand, "Come ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

His left hand is the hand of cursing "but the goats on the left" and said unto them "Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:"

Goats are those who suffer from mere belief.
They believe in Jesus as Lord, but do not follow His teachings for salvation.

Matthew 25:44
They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’


Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Revelation 22:14Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[royalscot]

Yes and they still try to do it even today.
I have seen some on here as well who will try to debate with you that there is no difference in the two.
I have tried to point out the differences many of times in the past with scripture.

brother. i already know what your saying. i was never saved by observing the law, but following in faith
old and new were in place for a reason, so that none can boast.


1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.(death had to be conquered first etc)
(new covenant)

what law, can bring condemnation from god to the believer.

what dose he have to do , to become a believe
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
acts 15 , full law, or 10 commandments, or what they wrote.

paul had to give some direction, ie to every church (he wrote or preached too)
needs order or rules of conduct.
but there main goal was preaching death has been conquered by jesus christ, and the holy spirit is a given a gift an garantee to all who believe in him.

yet even paul said i am a roman, to the jewish pharesee etc (did he put more value to the law, or to jesus christ)

i hope you see what i am saying.

 

[just-me]

Goats are those who suffer from mere belief.
They believe in Jesus as Lord, but do not follow His teachings for salvation.

Matthew 25:44
They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’


Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Revelation 22:14Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

All of Matthew quoting Jesus helps us to understand His righteous judgments. It doesn't appear that they believe, otherwise they wouldn't be facing everlasting fire and everlasting separated from the presents of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Matthew 25:32-33
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed , into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 7:21 backs this up

 

[just-me]

brother. i already know what your saying. i was never saved by observing the law, but following in faith
old and new were in place for a reason, so that none can boast.


1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.(death had to be conquered first etc)
(new covenant)

what law, can bring condemnation from god to the believer.

what dose he have to do , to become a believe
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
acts 15 , full law, or 10 commandments, or what they wrote.

paul had to give some direction, ie to every church (he wrote or preached too)
needs order or rules of conduct.
but there main goal was preaching death has been conquered by jesus christ, and the holy spirit is a given a gift an garantee to all who believe in him.

yet even paul said i am a roman, to the jewish pharesee etc (did he put more value to the law, or to jesus christ)

i hope you see what i am saying.

You are right in that no believer is condemned by the law. It looks like a rhetorical question but it's true anyway. Amen

 

[royalscot]

this is complete of what I quoted of myself
I see a whole lot. The gift of "discerning of spirits" are invoked. 1 Corinthians 12:10 LOL
I'm sure everybody can see more than your huge words.
Romans 3:21-26
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested , being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe : for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned , and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

try and keep up.
speak to the smallest in the room brother , that way all will understand.

 

[crossnote]

Most definitely ludicrous!! Even Jesus couldn't uphold all 613 since he was not a Levites, not a woman, not a farmer. So Jesus couldn't have fulfilled "all the law for us" now could He? So the saying "Jesus fulfilled all the law for us" is incorrect. Jesus fulfilled "THE LAW", meaning He fulfilled a certain law.

Deuteronomy 24 King James Version (KJV)


24 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.


2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.


3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;


4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Only death of the spouses enable those divorced to re-enter a marriage contract with the same person. The resurrection of Christ is how God brought about the new covenant. I've posted else where in more detail of Christ fulfilling "THE LAW". He did not do away with commandments and Sabbath(s) (plural) and Yah's Feasts.

He was blameless under the law and you are not.

 

[kennethcadwell]

All of Matthew quoting Jesus helps us to understand His righteous judgments. It doesn't appear that they believe, otherwise they wouldn't be facing everlasting fire and everlasting separated from the presents of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Matthew 25:32-33
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed , into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

The thing is that people have limited to two categories, believers and unbelievers.

We must read the parable of the sower and the seed to realize there are more than just two groups on how the word is heard and accepted. Then plus our Lord Jesus tells us that those who deny Him will also end up in punishment of hell fire, and He goes to explain how one denies Him and it is not just unbelief in Him.


Both groups believe in Him to be their Lord as Matthew 25:31-46 show in verses 37 and 44;

37) Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

[SUP]44) [/SUP]Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?


Lord Jesus makes a point in this passage in Matthew 25:31-46 even if you believe Him to be your Lord, but deny others in need then you deny Him. Which means He is not truly your Lord, if He was you would live in love, forgiveness, and have a helping nature about you.

When you take ee how in Titus that he confirms this;

Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny Him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Believing in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior means to believe and follow His teachings as well.

 

[just-me]

The thing is that people have limited to two categories, believers and unbelievers.

We must read the parable of the sower and the seed to realize there are more than just two groups on how the word is heard and accepted. Then plus our Lord Jesus tells us that those who deny Him will also end up in punishment of hell fire, and He goes to explain how one denies Him and it is not just unbelief in Him.

I like all of what you said and yes there are more than 2 groups in the parable of the sower and the seed. It's my favorite. Even so, there is only one type of ground (heart) where the seed is planted and bears fruit. The other heart conditions fail. The stony heart, the hardened heart, and the heart that is more concerned about the world's values rather then God's. The stony heart likes the gospel at first, but the seed cannot take root and what little there is dies off. The hardened heart doesn't even accept the seed and the adversary eats it up. The heart that is more concerned about the world's values flourishes for a time, but the priorities that are predominate choke the plant out before it's mature. Those three end up the same way as the goats on the left hand side of Christ Jesus. There's no middle ground for compromise. *Strait is the way, it's not straight. The path is narrow.
Because *strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:14

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I agree. I had to read over twice what I have made bold, but now I see that you are saying you (me included) are not the judges between the sheep and the goats. It is only God who is righteous enough to do that. Amen

But we can judge righteous judgment, and we will know them by their fruits. Sometimes we can see better in CC because we are not looking at the outward appearance. We are just seeing what people write from their heart. (smile)

Matthew 7:16-20
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits . Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down , and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Okay - so then by her "righteous judgment" she can judge that I do not believe in learning and gaining knowledge from the OT when all along I have stated just the opposite? That is what you call "righteous judgement"? And this comment which she hasn't even addressed: "And the real cincher is this idea that you can have faith in the Lord and His words and disregard thar God gave a special blessing on one day out of seven with special instructions to us for that day. Saying they are so pure and wonderful as Christians that they treat every day as that special day so are exempt from the word."
The above comment was made because I said that some people work split shifts and can not take one day as in a specific day to set aside but they set aside a day that they cease from work and can rest and I believe God honors that because he knows the intents of the heart.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regards the day, regards it unto the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. Romans 14:4-6

My fruit - how do you know my fruit? You only know my by my posts in this forum and I will dare to say that I have endeavored to display love, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness temperance and joy towards by brothers and sisters in Christ which is more than some can say by their statements towards others.

 

[just-me]

Okay - so then by her "righteous judgment" she can judge that I do not believe in learning and gaining knowledge from the OT when all along I have stated just the opposite? That is what you call "righteous judgement"? And this comment which she hasn't even addressed: "And the real cincher is this idea that you can have faith in the Lord and His words and disregard thar God gave a special blessing on one day out of seven with special instructions to us for that day. Saying they are so pure and wonderful as Christians that they treat every day as that special day so are exempt from the word."
The above comment was made because I said that some people work split shifts and can not take one day as in a specific day to set aside but they set aside a day that they cease from work and can rest and I believe God honors that because he knows the intents of the heart.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regards the day, regards it unto the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. Romans 14:4-6

My fruit - how do you know my fruit? You only know my by my posts in this forum and I will dare to say that I have endeavored to display love, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness temperance and joy towards by brothers and sisters in Christ which is more than some can say by their statements towards others.

First off I want to say that I see a good heart in you and also in RedTent. I see intentions that are both exemplary. It took me a while to see where both of you were coming from, and as you know I don't put a like on everything you write and neither do I hers. What has happened in CC is a crying shame. We fight and harden each other's heart to defined what we believe in. It's usually the law versus grace thing. There are some people who jump at the chance to sucker punch those that esteem the law as good like you do, and after a while the differences are so strong that we fail to really see what the other person is really saying. As you look at my signature, you can see what the Bible says about this. Red Tent should chill, but I think that she knows her age makes her time short and she desires to help before she is unable. She has been hit hard every day from all sides, and I'm afraid it has taken it's toll. You might be experiencing the same thing. Try the Bible way on this one, and keep me informed. I will help where I can. I don't take sides. Sometimes I cry because of what I see.

Matthew 5:23-24
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way ; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Matthew 18:15-20
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established . 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask , it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

"One step (day) at a time sweet Jesus, that's all I'm askin' from you."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhUvFqOY00I

 

[Laodicea]

[h=1] Hebrews 9:9-11 (KJV)
[/h] [SUP]9 [/SUP]Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

The earthly sanctuary and services were figures of the true. Notice verse 10 says until the time of reformation then verse 11 talks about the sanctuary in heaven. So when is this? After Jesus ascended to heaven he began the work as our high priest.

When Jesus died the Vail of the temple was torn in two showing the earthly sanctuary and services were finished.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

First off I want to say that I see a good heart in you and also in RedTent. I see intentions that are both exemplary. It took me a while to see where both of you were coming from, and as you know I don't put a like on everything you write and neither do I hers. What has happened in CC is a crying shame. We fight and harden each other's heart to defined what we believe in. It's usually the law versus grace thing. There are some people who jump at the chance to sucker punch those that esteem the law as good like you do, and after a while the differences are so strong that we fail to really see what the other person is really saying. As you look at my signature, you can see what the Bible says about this. Red Tent should chill, but I think that she knows her age makes her time short and she desires to help before she is unable. She has been hit hard every day from all sides, and I'm afraid it has taken it's toll. You might be experiencing the same thing. Try the Bible way on this one, and keep me informed. I will help where I can. I don't take sides. Sometimes I cry because of what I see.

Matthew 5:23-24
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way ; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Matthew 18:15-20
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established . 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask , it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

"One step (day) at a time sweet Jesus, that's all I'm askin' from you."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhUvFqOY00I

If post were read - really read - then maybe there would be more understanding in what a person is saying.

I do not bring gifts to an altar . . . and my responses to her have been straightforward - she chose not to respond.

We fight and harden each other's heart to defined what we believe in. It's usually the law versus grace thing. There are some people who jump at the chance to sucker punch those that esteem the law as good like you do, and after a while the differences are so strong that we fail to really see what the other person is really saying.

I am not the only one on here that have explained that they have respect for the OT and use it to further their learning and understanding - It's just not to the point that you and many others do. So we are different in that but we are not different in our love for God and his Son, Jesus Christ and in that we should use words that are gentle and peaceful and still get our point across.

Ya know - I can blame my whole life on something or somebody but in all actuality I have no one to blame but myself so if my actions or my words destroy or hurt my brother or sister in Christ then that is on me and me alone - we should think before we speak [post] knowing that there is power in our words to either build up or destroy. Regardless of our differences in our understanding of God's scripture there is a way to discuss without being derogatory to one another.

I am done ranting . . . lol