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This seems plain to me. And it also seems plain to me that someone who has nothing to show for their faith, is as a fruitless branch that is hacked off the vine.
A seed choked out by the cares of the world.
A seed dried and whithered, dwelling only on sorrows and lack of water and folding under the tribulations...
faith but no works appears to be a very very bad situation to find ones' self.
Please don't tell me anyone disagrees with this or I'm going to shoot you hehe
A seed choked out by the cares of the world.
A seed dried and whithered, dwelling only on sorrows and lack of water and folding under the tribulations...
faith but no works appears to be a very very bad situation to find ones' self.
Please don't tell me anyone disagrees with this or I'm going to shoot you hehe
Add the Holy Spirit, and your on to something here, the Spirit will line up with your soul, which is what you just gave a verse for, heart, mind, and will are parts of the soul...Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
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Okay if you have faith you will have works. But, works do not create faith. I meant even the wicked give to charity and hand out water bottles, even the wicked help the poor it makes them feel good.
The faith of Abraham is a different story, His faith was in the cross and demonstrated symbolically by sacrificing a lamb. Was Abraham perfect did He not lie about his wife, did he not sleep with Hagar? But by his faith in the cross he was saved and through him the Lord Jesus Christ was born. Jesus said that Abraham saw My day and rejoiced. Faith in the cross
The faith of Abraham is a different story, His faith was in the cross and demonstrated symbolically by sacrificing a lamb. Was Abraham perfect did He not lie about his wife, did he not sleep with Hagar? But by his faith in the cross he was saved and through him the Lord Jesus Christ was born. Jesus said that Abraham saw My day and rejoiced. Faith in the cross
Agreed and agreed (bolded above).
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. So then, we first hear what God has said, then we act on it. How can we act on what we have not heard? To act on what you have not heard would be to do that which is right in your own eyes. And of course we know that this is not the will of God.
It is really a simple question with a simple answer. There is no need for us to complicate it beyond what it is.
The foundation of our faith is hearing that Jesus is the Messiah, the Lord of lords, the King of kings, the Christ, the Son of the Living God. After which we have heard this, we then confess (act) him to be so.
Romans 10:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. So then, we first hear what God has said, then we act on it. How can we act on what we have not heard? To act on what you have not heard would be to do that which is right in your own eyes. And of course we know that this is not the will of God.
It is really a simple question with a simple answer. There is no need for us to complicate it beyond what it is.
The foundation of our faith is hearing that Jesus is the Messiah, the Lord of lords, the King of kings, the Christ, the Son of the Living God. After which we have heard this, we then confess (act) him to be so.
Romans 10:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Stop it! .... says Bride
Just what they are doing .... to stop your religion of works
I asked you what these works that your religious affiliation has put upon you in order for your to be saved are
..... and you did not answer
Tell the forum what they are, list them one by one
Simple question .... give a simple answer
Just what they are doing .... to stop your religion of works
I asked you what these works that your religious affiliation has put upon you in order for your to be saved are
..... and you did not answer
Tell the forum what they are, list them one by one
Simple question .... give a simple answer
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Question: "How can salvation be not of works when faith is required? Isn't believing a work?"
Answer: Our salvation depends solely upon Jesus Christ. He is our substitute, taking sin’s penalty (2 Corinthians 5:21); He is our Savior from sin (John 1:29); He is the author and finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2). The work necessary to provide salvation was fully accomplished by Jesus Himself, who lived a perfect life, took God’s judgment for sin, and rose again from the dead (Hebrews 10:12).
The Bible is quite clear that our own works do not help merit salvation. We are saved “not because of righteous things we had done” (Titus 3:5). “Not by works” (Ephesians 2:9). “There is no one righteous, not even one” (Romans 3:10). This means that offering sacrifices, keeping the commandments, going to church, being baptized, and other good deeds are incapable of saving anyone. No matter how “good” we are, we can never measure up to God’s standard of holiness (Romans 3:23; Matthew 19:17;Isaiah 64:6).
The Bible is just as clear that salvation is conditional; God does not save everyone. The one condition for salvation is faith in Jesus Christ. Nearly 200 times in the New Testament, faith (or belief) is declared to be the sole condition for salvation (John 1:12; Acts 16:31).
One day, some people asked Jesus what they could do to please God: “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus immediately points them to faith: “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent” (John 6:28-29). So, the question is about God’s requirements (plural), and Jesus’ answer is that God’s requirement (singular) is that you believe in Him.
Grace is God’s giving us something we cannot earn or deserve. According to Romans 11:6, “works” of any kind destroys grace—the idea is that a worker earns payment, while the recipient of grace simply receives it, unearned. Since salvation is all of grace, it cannot be earned. Faith, therefore, is a non-work. Faith cannot truly be considered a “work,” or else it would destroy grace. (See also Romans 4—Abraham’s salvation was dependent on faith in God, as opposed to any work he performed.)
Suppose someone anonymously sent me a check for $1,000,000. The money is mine if I want it, but I still must endorse the check. In no way can signing my name be considered earning the million dollars—the endorsement is a non-work. I can never boast about becoming a millionaire through sheer effort or my own business savvy. No, the million dollars was simply a gift, and signing my name was the only way to receive it. Similarly, exercising faith is the only way to receive the generous gift of God, and faith cannot be considered a work worthy of the gift.
True faith cannot be considered a work because true faith involves a cessation of our works in the flesh. True faith has as its object Jesus and His work on our behalf (Matthew 11:28-29; Hebrews 4:10).
To take this a step further, true faith cannot be considered a work because even faith is a gift from God, not something we produce on our own. “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God” (Ephesians 2:8). “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him” (John 6:44). Praise the Lord for His power to save and for His grace to make salvation a reality!
Recommended Resources: Faith Alone: The Evangelical Doctrine of Justification by R.C. Sproul and Logos Bible Software.
Answer: Our salvation depends solely upon Jesus Christ. He is our substitute, taking sin’s penalty (2 Corinthians 5:21); He is our Savior from sin (John 1:29); He is the author and finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2). The work necessary to provide salvation was fully accomplished by Jesus Himself, who lived a perfect life, took God’s judgment for sin, and rose again from the dead (Hebrews 10:12).
The Bible is quite clear that our own works do not help merit salvation. We are saved “not because of righteous things we had done” (Titus 3:5). “Not by works” (Ephesians 2:9). “There is no one righteous, not even one” (Romans 3:10). This means that offering sacrifices, keeping the commandments, going to church, being baptized, and other good deeds are incapable of saving anyone. No matter how “good” we are, we can never measure up to God’s standard of holiness (Romans 3:23; Matthew 19:17;Isaiah 64:6).
The Bible is just as clear that salvation is conditional; God does not save everyone. The one condition for salvation is faith in Jesus Christ. Nearly 200 times in the New Testament, faith (or belief) is declared to be the sole condition for salvation (John 1:12; Acts 16:31).
One day, some people asked Jesus what they could do to please God: “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus immediately points them to faith: “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent” (John 6:28-29). So, the question is about God’s requirements (plural), and Jesus’ answer is that God’s requirement (singular) is that you believe in Him.
Grace is God’s giving us something we cannot earn or deserve. According to Romans 11:6, “works” of any kind destroys grace—the idea is that a worker earns payment, while the recipient of grace simply receives it, unearned. Since salvation is all of grace, it cannot be earned. Faith, therefore, is a non-work. Faith cannot truly be considered a “work,” or else it would destroy grace. (See also Romans 4—Abraham’s salvation was dependent on faith in God, as opposed to any work he performed.)
Suppose someone anonymously sent me a check for $1,000,000. The money is mine if I want it, but I still must endorse the check. In no way can signing my name be considered earning the million dollars—the endorsement is a non-work. I can never boast about becoming a millionaire through sheer effort or my own business savvy. No, the million dollars was simply a gift, and signing my name was the only way to receive it. Similarly, exercising faith is the only way to receive the generous gift of God, and faith cannot be considered a work worthy of the gift.
True faith cannot be considered a work because true faith involves a cessation of our works in the flesh. True faith has as its object Jesus and His work on our behalf (Matthew 11:28-29; Hebrews 4:10).
To take this a step further, true faith cannot be considered a work because even faith is a gift from God, not something we produce on our own. “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God” (Ephesians 2:8). “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him” (John 6:44). Praise the Lord for His power to save and for His grace to make salvation a reality!
Recommended Resources: Faith Alone: The Evangelical Doctrine of Justification by R.C. Sproul and Logos Bible Software.
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I have faith. It came from God. It gave me to know Him and worship Him. When I grew up, I always looked up to God.
I always will. Now I am Faithfully Married to Him in absolute Fidelity. Hope all you guys figure that out. Because it is a gasser once you get pass the carnal stuff
Thank you Jesus.
I always will. Now I am Faithfully Married to Him in absolute Fidelity. Hope all you guys figure that out. Because it is a gasser once you get pass the carnal stuff
Thank you Jesus.
The reason faith+ works is such an insidious doctrine, is because you can never do enough, never be good enough to merit salvation based on your works.
Name me one deed, one work, one effort that even comes close to Jesus sacrifice on the cross! You can't! Because there is none!
Salvation is a gift of God!
When end does one finally get to say "NOW I am finally saved?" Never! When have you done enough works? Never!
That is why I will stick to the Bible, which tells me I am justified by faith alone. Why do I believe this? Because I can never earn my salvation, because I know I am a just sinner saved by the amazing grace of God.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him." John 3:16-17
Name me one deed, one work, one effort that even comes close to Jesus sacrifice on the cross! You can't! Because there is none!
Salvation is a gift of God!
When end does one finally get to say "NOW I am finally saved?" Never! When have you done enough works? Never!
That is why I will stick to the Bible, which tells me I am justified by faith alone. Why do I believe this? Because I can never earn my salvation, because I know I am a just sinner saved by the amazing grace of God.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him." John 3:16-17