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He admits to believing in a sin and still be saved doctrine himself. He just said future sin is paid for. Meaning, he does not have to confess of that sin and or forsake it and he can still be saved. It's called positional righteousness. No sin can separate you from God. You are positioned in Christ and cannot be removed from Him. But the Bible does not teach that, though. Also, he disagrees with me that he cannot stop from sinning. He does not agree with the doctrine. So if he is sinning (because he cannot stop)... and he believes he is saved... then that is a sin and still be saved doctrine.
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This is the ultimate Jesus Christ truth.
The Sin issue was dealt completely by Jesus Christ. It is why, if I wanted to, sin like the devil and still be saved.
Thats how big he is bud.
and get this.......He even paid the price for every unbeliever.
Study up, because if you have never truly believed on Christ alone and trusted in Christ alone......your going to The LoF because of your self righteousness and the human good(evil) deeds that you did in the flesh, because all your sins are paid for.
Rev 20:13~~New American Standard Bible
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds......Ergon,......human good deeds(evil). For the unbeliever that never trusted in Christ alone and acted the the part and counted on their good deeds to get to heaven. These deeds put them in the LoF. For the unbeliever who never gave a rip, he gets to plead his case that he was good enough.
The LoF will have more religious people in it than the scum bags that the religious crowd thought they were better than.
The Sin issue was dealt completely by Jesus Christ. It is why, if I wanted to, sin like the devil and still be saved.
Thats how big he is bud.
and get this.......He even paid the price for every unbeliever.
Study up, because if you have never truly believed on Christ alone and trusted in Christ alone......your going to The LoF because of your self righteousness and the human good(evil) deeds that you did in the flesh, because all your sins are paid for.
Rev 20:13~~New American Standard Bible
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds......Ergon,......human good deeds(evil). For the unbeliever that never trusted in Christ alone and acted the the part and counted on their good deeds to get to heaven. These deeds put them in the LoF. For the unbeliever who never gave a rip, he gets to plead his case that he was good enough.
The LoF will have more religious people in it than the scum bags that the religious crowd thought they were better than.
Now take your high powered perception and keep going into Romans 8. You cannot read Romans 7 as a stand alone on its own, Paul continues the thoughts in Romans 7, through all of Romans 8.
Romans 7 shows us our state before the Spirit and Romans 8 shows us our state with the Spirit.
Nowhere in 7 was Paul advocating he was powerless over his SIN. In 7 he is showing what he was when he was held captive by the law of sin and death and in 8 he shows us his state when he was freed from the law of sin and death, by the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ.
Newsflash EG, that means if Paul could do, so can we...stop placing people in bondage that there SIN is bigger than Jesus work!
7 has never been a stand alone verse where Paul describes his fight with his old nature. 7 & 8 are used to contrast the 2 natures and in 8 we see how the Law of the spirit of Life in Christ, destroys the law of sin and death.
Romans 7 shows us our state before the Spirit and Romans 8 shows us our state with the Spirit.
Nowhere in 7 was Paul advocating he was powerless over his SIN. In 7 he is showing what he was when he was held captive by the law of sin and death and in 8 he shows us his state when he was freed from the law of sin and death, by the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ.
Newsflash EG, that means if Paul could do, so can we...stop placing people in bondage that there SIN is bigger than Jesus work!
7 has never been a stand alone verse where Paul describes his fight with his old nature. 7 & 8 are used to contrast the 2 natures and in 8 we see how the Law of the spirit of Life in Christ, destroys the law of sin and death.
The least of these Commandments would be in reference to the Law of Moses (See verses 17 and 18). Deuteronomy 22:6-7 would be an example of one of the least Commandments in the OT.
While this concept of least Commandments may also apply to the New Testament Commands (In the fact that it can be a shadow of the New or applied as a basic truth to the New Testament), we have to realize that this does not apply to all Commands (Even in just the New, if that is the case). For verse 20 says if we do not exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and the Pharisees, we shall not enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus mentioned how there are weightier matters of the Law like justice, love, and mercy. So verse 20 is talking about some type of command or commands that will cause someone not to inherit the Kingdom of God or to enter it.
Also, read Matthew 5:13. It says believers are the salt of the Earth, if the salt loses it's savor and it is good for nothing it is then cast out and trodden under foot. This is speaking in spiritual terms. Believers will be cast out if they lose their holiness and or good work that salts the Earth.
You are the salt of the earth: but if the salt has lost its savor, how shall it be salted? it is thereafter good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
While this concept of least Commandments may also apply to the New Testament Commands (In the fact that it can be a shadow of the New or applied as a basic truth to the New Testament), we have to realize that this does not apply to all Commands (Even in just the New, if that is the case). For verse 20 says if we do not exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and the Pharisees, we shall not enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus mentioned how there are weightier matters of the Law like justice, love, and mercy. So verse 20 is talking about some type of command or commands that will cause someone not to inherit the Kingdom of God or to enter it.
Also, read Matthew 5:13. It says believers are the salt of the Earth, if the salt loses it's savor and it is good for nothing it is then cast out and trodden under foot. This is speaking in spiritual terms. Believers will be cast out if they lose their holiness and or good work that salts the Earth.
You are the salt of the earth: but if the salt has lost its savor, how shall it be salted? it is thereafter good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
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A believers fruit is not at all what you described it is not doctrine.
I know a lot of doctrinal rich pastors, Christians, teachers and even evangelists that believe the in death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and have no fruit in their ministry.
Fruit is the evidence that souls are being won for the kingdom and are discipled properly so that they go out and bear more fruit.
this is the only Doctrine that God cares about and was Jesus' doctrine as well
I know a lot of doctrinal rich pastors, Christians, teachers and even evangelists that believe the in death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and have no fruit in their ministry.
Fruit is the evidence that souls are being won for the kingdom and are discipled properly so that they go out and bear more fruit.
this is the only Doctrine that God cares about and was Jesus' doctrine as well
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The salty Christian is one who flavors the world around them with the life of Christ. This flavoring does not promote sin but will identify the one who put away sin so that the world might have life through him. Salt was very valuable in the first century and a stable compound that can never lose its savor but salt can be washed away from the type of salt that is contained or found in other minerals. For the disciples to lose their savor as the salt of the had to do with their value in this life. Salt not only provided seasoning and preservation but was also an antiseptic. As an antiseptic it could clean a wound promote healing by keeping it clean.
As a practical example of a believer being the salt of the earth, their life provides salt to those who have been wounded through sin and through the world system they are a part of. Our words that provide salt to a wound stings in the beginning but will clean the wound so it can heal. If we lose that kind of salt then we become useless. When the salt had been leached out of the mineral component it was cast to the ground to produce a hard pan for people to trample out.
This has nothing to do with losing our salvation or with inheriting the kingdom of God, but it does effect our calling and usefulness to our Lord and Master. If you lose your effectiveness as the salt of the earth through sin, through the neglect of the beattitudes or taking up another endeavor outside the call of God, you can get it back by associating ourselves with those who have not lost their savor and remaining with them until their salt savors your life. Mark 9:50 allows us to have salt in ourselves, so we can go back and be savored once again being at peace with one another or having joined up with those who have not lost their savor.
Col 3:4,5
5 Behave yourselves wisely [living prudently and with discretion] in your relations with those of the outside world (the non-Christians), making the very most of the time and seizing (buying up) the opportunity.
6 Let your speech at all times be gracious (pleasant and winsome), seasoned [as it were] with salt, [so that you may never be at a loss] to know how you ought to answer anyone [who puts a question to you].
As a practical example of a believer being the salt of the earth, their life provides salt to those who have been wounded through sin and through the world system they are a part of. Our words that provide salt to a wound stings in the beginning but will clean the wound so it can heal. If we lose that kind of salt then we become useless. When the salt had been leached out of the mineral component it was cast to the ground to produce a hard pan for people to trample out.
This has nothing to do with losing our salvation or with inheriting the kingdom of God, but it does effect our calling and usefulness to our Lord and Master. If you lose your effectiveness as the salt of the earth through sin, through the neglect of the beattitudes or taking up another endeavor outside the call of God, you can get it back by associating ourselves with those who have not lost their savor and remaining with them until their salt savors your life. Mark 9:50 allows us to have salt in ourselves, so we can go back and be savored once again being at peace with one another or having joined up with those who have not lost their savor.
Col 3:4,5
5 Behave yourselves wisely [living prudently and with discretion] in your relations with those of the outside world (the non-Christians), making the very most of the time and seizing (buying up) the opportunity.
6 Let your speech at all times be gracious (pleasant and winsome), seasoned [as it were] with salt, [so that you may never be at a loss] to know how you ought to answer anyone [who puts a question to you].
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your wrong and right at the same time.
your wrong in that romans 7 is pre salvation. your right as in they need to go together.
Romans 7 tells us our problem as a christian (the war within) there was never a war before a person came to Christ so it could not be pre-salvation. You all can claim it till your blue in the face. but it does not fit.
Romans 8 tells us how to OVERCOME the problem!
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No paul spoke of the struggle he had every day in his christian life in romans 7. and then in romans 8 tells us how he overcomes this problem.
Pre salvation was spoken of completely way back in the first few chapters. everything else speaks of problems we as believers have. Paul did not go back to pre salvation in romans 7, it would be out of place!
if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. Romans 8:13
Paul did not say could you walk perfectly or not, he said you cannot conquer sin by obedience to the law, because that just raises rebellion and focus on the wrong things, only by walking in the Spirit.
Walking in the Spirit is about walking in love, joy, peace, patience, self control. It is about seeing things in their right perspective. The fruit is how you are as a person, in actions, in approach. Your doctrine or ideas about God should reflect the very nature of Jesus.
Now all you know is how you are doing today, not how you will do in the future. If you continue in the Spirit you will find life, if not you will find death. In all honesty how the Lord will judge us is up to Him, but if we walk away, there is little hope we really knew Him. But we are not in club which gets us into heaven, we believe in love and righteousness and desire people come into the Kingdom.
Like with all things in life, you have to work at it to become an expert, invest in the kingdom. It strikes me many are not actually interested in finding out truth about themselves or the Lord but rather just hold on to their own positions.
Paul did not say could you walk perfectly or not, he said you cannot conquer sin by obedience to the law, because that just raises rebellion and focus on the wrong things, only by walking in the Spirit.
Walking in the Spirit is about walking in love, joy, peace, patience, self control. It is about seeing things in their right perspective. The fruit is how you are as a person, in actions, in approach. Your doctrine or ideas about God should reflect the very nature of Jesus.
Now all you know is how you are doing today, not how you will do in the future. If you continue in the Spirit you will find life, if not you will find death. In all honesty how the Lord will judge us is up to Him, but if we walk away, there is little hope we really knew Him. But we are not in club which gets us into heaven, we believe in love and righteousness and desire people come into the Kingdom.
Like with all things in life, you have to work at it to become an expert, invest in the kingdom. It strikes me many are not actually interested in finding out truth about themselves or the Lord but rather just hold on to their own positions.