Sinless Perfectionism

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Blain

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You come off as a defender of the incessant evils being promulgated by liars. Doctrines of devils are doctrines of devils. If that's rude, try not to cry about. Go sing kumbaya with your deceptive buddy, spread some more of your own doubt around.
If someone is being falsely accused of being something whether that person is good or bad isn't it our job to stand up for them? I defend those who need defending because that is what Jesus did and still does. Love died for both the good and evil, if he was willing to go that far then is it really that strange for a Christian to stand up for Jason?
 
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You come off as a defender of the incessant evils being promulgated by liars. Doctrines of devils are doctrines of devils. If that's rude, try not to cry about. Go sing kumbaya with your deceptive buddy, spread some more of your own doubt around.
who defends you, from the punishment of sin bro.
 
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If someone is being falsely accused of being something whether that person is good or bad isn't it our job to stand up for them? I defend those who need defending because that is what Jesus did and still does. Love died for both the good and evil, if he was willing to go that far then is it really that strange for a Christian to stand up for Jason?
Son,
You are not going to change Jason, only the Holy Spirit can do that. What you need to understand is that you will never, ever save everyone. Even Jesus could not save everyone.
 

Blain

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Son,
You are not going to change Jason, only the Holy Spirit can do that. What you need to understand is that you will never, ever save everyone. Even Jesus could not save everyone.
Even if I cannot save him or convince that is beside the point. We are called to be love and talking bad about someone who isn't even around is called gossip and that is not love. I do not agree with Jason I have butted heads with him on more than one occasion but God still loves him dearly and still craves to hold him in his arms and I highly doubt he appreciated the words and name calling said about Jason
 
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Easy friend, blain is a babe, he has not been elevated to the understanding of not casting pearls yet.
Maybe this is true, but I've seen some things that seriously make me wonder, though, if it's just youth, you're right. Whatever the case, Blain aside, there are those here on a very evil and incessant diatribe, using lies to sow doubt. Making such claims in a Bible believing church would get them ejected. I don't care for any false piety and hiding behind some guise of love, to promote friendship with evil. Decide who you're going to serve.
 

Blain

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Maybe this is true, but I've seen some things that seriously make me wonder, though, if it's just youth, you're right. Whatever the case, Blain aside, there are those here on a very evil and incessant diatribe, using lies to sow doubt. Making such claims in a Bible believing church would get them ejected. I don't care for any false piety and hiding behind some guise of love, to promote friendship with evil. Decide who you're going to serve.
Even in the darkest and most evil of souls there something deep inside worth dying for. Are we to love only the good?
 
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How can one love only the good if they allow for evil to take place in their life at some point? For if there was a way to stop sinning, wouldn't you want to do so to please your Lord? Why would God want you to be a slave to sin? Would not believing a believer is always going to be a slave to sin contradict Jesus' words in him saying that if someone sins... they are a slave to sin? Think about it.
 

Blain

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How can one love only the good if they allow for evil to take place in their life at some point? For if there was a way to stop sinning, wouldn't you want to do so to please your Lord? Why would God want you to be a slave to sin? Would that not contradict Jesus' words in him saying that if someone sins... they are a slave to sin? Think about it.
Jason I think this debate about being sinless and perfect is at it's end, there is no point of continuing. Debating is fine it has it's benifets but that is not why we are here in cc is it?
 
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How can one love only the good if they allow for evil to take place in their life at some point? For if there was a way to stop sinning, wouldn't you want to do so to please your Lord? Why would God want you to be a slave to sin? Would not believing a believer is always going to be a slave to sin contradict Jesus' words in him saying that if someone sins... they are a slave to sin? Think about it.
goal posts are there for a reason. when the ball hits the back of the net, its called a goal, you get one point, each goal scored.

context is the difference between a goal being scored, and the ball going past or by these post.

and you wonder, why jesus used parables to teach blind eyes. think on that.
 
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Jesus died for SINNERS There is NOTHING GOOD is sinners. we were helpless, ungodly, vile sinners. Jesus died for us SINNERS so He would be just in making us righteous and forgive our unrighteousness. Everyone saved by Jesus is now intrinsically holy and desires to do good deeds. Jh.3:1-21 teaches this. The unborn again are inwardly evil and helpless to save themselves by "good deeds" but the born again will now do "good deeds" and gain eternal life. Grace and faith gains us forgiveness, and Grace, faith and good works gains us eternal life. Rom.2:7-13 Rom.6:22-23. Eph.2:8-10 Gal.6:7-10. Love to al Hoffco
 
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Jason I think this debate about being sinless and perfect is at it's end, there is no point of continuing. Debating is fine it has it's benifets but that is not why we are here in cc is it?
If you are in the Bible discussion section here at CC, one is here to discuss all topics related to the Bible. This is a topic that definitely pertains to the Bible because it speaks about that topic.
 
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goal posts are there for a reason. when the ball hits the back of the net, its called a goal, you get one point, each goal scored.

context is the difference between a goal being scored, and the ball going past or by these post.

and you wonder, why jesus used parables to teach blind eyes. think on that.
Paul essentially said if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness he is proud and knows nothing. Folks who can say they cannot stop sinning are denying the words of Jesus that says, "he that sins is a slave to sin." Think on that. For it has more weight than any words that we can conjure up because it is God's Word.
 
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Blain

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Jesus died for SINNERS There is NOTHING GOOD is sinners. we were helpless, ungodly, vile sinners. Jesus died for us SINNERS so He would be just in making us righteous and forgive our unrighteousness. Everyone saved by Jesus is now intrinsically holy and desires to do good deeds. Jh.3:1-21 teaches this. The unborn again are inwardly evil and helpless to save themselves by "good deeds" but the born again will now do "good deeds" and gain eternal life. Grace and faith gains us forgiveness, and Grace, faith and good works gains us eternal life. Rom.2:7-13 Rom.6:22-23. Eph.2:8-10 Gal.6:7-10. Love to al Hoffco
That is an interesting view. if there really is nothing good in sinners then why does he love us? He loved us as sinners and he hates evil, so if he was willing to go so far then shouldn't there be something good?
 
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Jesus died for SINNERS There is NOTHING GOOD is sinners. we were helpless, ungodly, vile sinners. Jesus died for us SINNERS so He would be just in making us righteous and forgive our unrighteousness. Everyone saved by Jesus is now intrinsically holy and desires to do good deeds. Jh.3:1-21 teaches this. The unborn again are inwardly evil and helpless to save themselves by "good deeds" but the born again will now do "good deeds" and gain eternal life. Grace and faith gains us forgiveness, and Grace, faith and good works gains us eternal life. Rom.2:7-13 Rom.6:22-23. Eph.2:8-10 Gal.6:7-10. Love to al Hoffco
God does not condone believers in practicing sin and or getting away with sin on occasion. People have to confess and forsake sin in order to be forgiven.
 

Blain

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If you are in the Bible discussion section here at CC, one is here to discuss all topics related to the Bible. This is a topic that definitely pertains to the Bible because it speaks about that topic.
yes but there is a difference between mindlessly arguing and debating for the right reasons. let me ask you Jason why do you debate? And also do you really believe you are going to convince us of your beliefs? See I debate to learn and grow in faith and love, I debate to learn more about God. Some debate simply because they like to argue or because they want to prove their right or perhaps a darker purpose. But if there is nothing to benefit from the debate then why continue? The motive behind debating si what is important not the debate itself
 
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That is an interesting view. if there really is nothing good in sinners then why does he love us? He loved us as sinners and he hates evil, so if he was willing to go so far then shouldn't there be something good?
Jesus did not love us because we were sinners, Jesus loved us because He is God and He desired to save us from our sins and so as to set us free from sin (i.e. so that we would no longer be slaves to sin).
 

Blain

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Jesus did not love us because we were sinners, Jesus loved us because He is God and He desired to save us from our sins and so as to set us free from sin (i.e. so that we would no longer be slaves to sin).
You are right he did not love us because we were sinners, but if we really are that evil and there is nothing good in us then why does he love us? if we are evil through and through then would we not be treated the same as lucifer?
 
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yes but there is a difference between mindlessly arguing and debating for the right reasons.
You believe it to be mindless because you do not understand the spiritual goodness in why it is important to stop sinning.

let me ask you Jason why do you debate?
For the glory of Jesus Christ and His Word. To feed the sheep. To continue to study to show myself approved unto God.

And also do you really believe you are going to convince us of your beliefs?
No. It's not my job to change people's hearts. I merely plant the seeds, it is God that giveth the increase.

See I debate to learn and grow in faith and love, I debate to learn more about God.
So do I. But the difference between is that I preach God's Word and desire to discuss it. There are many (Not all) who are of the OSAS camp that do not desire to use God's Word because they do not know how to use the Sword.

Some debate simply because they like to argue or because they want to prove their right or perhaps a darker purpose. But if there is nothing to benefit from the debate then why continue? The motive behind debating si what is important not the debate itself
There is a benefit in continuing. LIke I said. You cannot see the benefits so you are going to say there are no benefits when in reality there are benefits that we cannot see that is a part of God's plan. For it is never wrong to defend God's Word; And that is what I am doing. If you disagree, then lets discuss the Scriptures and not our own opinions.
 
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Paul essentially said if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness he is proud and knows nothing. Folks who can say they cannot stop sinning are denying the words of Jesus that says, "he that sins is a slave to sin." Think on that. For it has more weight than any words that we can conjure up because it is God's Word.
see context is truth. not speculation. conjure away with your verbs and nouns.
your context is out no goal. lol
when did the gentile hear about jesus, and at act 15, did you read follow the full law or part law. (how can you follow the jewish law without a temple of stone). think on it.
and how can paul know the temple of stone was taken away at 70 ad.

how did you get passed the gate. think on that.
 
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You are right he did not love us because we were sinners, but if we really are that evil and there is nothing good in us then why does he love us? if we are evil through and through then would we not be treated the same as lucifer?
God is love and He does love all of his creation and wants to see the best thing for his creation. However, God is Holy and He cannot condone or love sin. He loves the person and not the sin. He loved the world so as to save it. He takes no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked.