Sinless Perfectionism

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Hepzibah said:
Jason l have rarely seen a pastor who is not unfit and yes he is overweight, your American eyes deceive you. A man walking in the light will make sure his body is fit and no l am not underweight. The fault is in your American eyes, being so accustomed to seeing overweight people. This is the trouble with those from your camp. You can't see sin though it is staring you in the face.

Are you saying that Paul was not perfect? You are misinterpreting that scripture as Paul is talking about his ministry and martyr Dom. He continues further on to say the 'those who are perfect'.

So what about you? Are you perfect?
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gluttony is a sin...if you are fat because you just eat way more then you need, well then, you are wearing your sin for everyone to see

if you are like 10 or even 15 lbs over weight well, that is not the same...but really fat preachers turn me off big time
 
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royalscot said:
see context is truth. not speculation. conjure away with your verbs and nouns.
your context is out no goal. lol
when did the gentile hear about jesus, and at act 15, did you read follow the full law or part law. (how can you follow the jewish law without a temple of stone). think on it.
and how can paul know the temple of stone was taken away at 70 ad.

how did you get passed the gate. think on that.
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You ask vague questions with no real specifics. Explain a little more of where you are coming from. Do you believe in a sin and still be saved doctrine? Do you believe you will forever be a slave to your sin? If so, then why did Jesus say, he that sins is a slave to sin? Does it sound like Jesus was saying that to the Pharisees in a postive way?

Also, explain what you are talking about with the Temple in 70 AD in regards to this topic. How does that really help your case here?
 
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:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,Romans 3

by there quotes you will know, why they are outside the gate lol
 
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Blain said:
Even if I cannot save him or convince that is beside the point. We are called to be love and talking bad about someone who isn't even around is called gossip and that is not love. I do not agree with Jason I have butted heads with him on more than one occasion but God still loves him dearly and still craves to hold him in his arms and I highly doubt he appreciated the words and name calling said about Jason
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and how does God crave to hold a twisted and perverted gospel that makes the sacrifice of His Son less then perfect?

you know, please read the NT...much of it was written to correct error...and the ones doing the writing, really did not hold pity or love for those who perverted the truth

I would say that Jesus died for those who teach the perfection error and loosing your salvation every time you sin and then somehow you get it back...like a yo yo

I do not believe God is all mushy over those who believe they have something to do with their own salvation...even being drawn to Chirst is only through the Spirit of God

You may not understand that the perveyor of this twisted unbiblical doctrine would eat you for breakfast
 
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Blain said:
Even in the darkest and most evil of souls there something deep inside worth dying for. Are we to love only the good?
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which translation are you using? God sent His Son to die while we were still sinners and there was nothing worth dying for

those who do not believe in Jesus will separated from God for eternity...God sees no good in us other then His Son
 
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ember said:
gluttony is a sin...if you are fat because you just eat way more then you need, well then, you are wearing your sin for everyone to see

if you are like 10 or even 15 lbs over weight well, that is not the same...but really fat preachers turn me off big time
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Do you see him as fat? I really don't. Look at all of his videos on his YouTube Channel.

https://www.youtube.com/user/word4all
 
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ember said:
and how does God crave to hold a twisted and perverted gospel that makes the sacrifice of His Son less then perfect?

you know, please read the NT...much of it was written to correct error...and the ones doing the writing, really did not hold pity or love for those who perverted the truth

I would say that Jesus died for those who teach the perfection error and loosing your salvation every time you sin and then somehow you get it back...like a yo yo

I do not believe God is all mushy over those who believe they have something to do with their own salvation...even being drawn to Chirst is only through the Spirit of God

You may not understand that the perveyor of this twisted unbiblical doctrine would eat you for breakfast
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Ever did a study on the Parable of the Sower? See, if you did... you would realize that all three who received the Word of God (i.e. the seed) into their hearts successfully won against the devil in taking the seed out of their heart. For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God. So all three who received the Word with joy believed and were saved. However, one who received seed fell away due to the cares of this life. The other who received the seed had choked the Word (i.e. the seed) because of the cares and or the riches of this life. However the other who received seed had produced much fruit, though. The real test is if someone truly shows if they love God or not in the end. It's not how you loved once. We have to continually choose this day in who we will serve every day for the rest of our lives.
 
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ember said:
and how does God crave to hold a twisted and perverted gospel that makes the sacrifice of His Son less then perfect?

you know, please read the NT...much of it was written to correct error...and the ones doing the writing, really did not hold pity or love for those who perverted the truth

I would say that Jesus died for those who teach the perfection error and loosing your salvation every time you sin and then somehow you get it back...like a yo yo

I do not believe God is all mushy over those who believe they have something to do with their own salvation...even being drawn to Chirst is only through the Spirit of God

You may not understand that the perveyor of this twisted unbiblical doctrine would eat you for breakfast
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How you ask? Because he made them he took such great care in creating them even from the single hairs on their head,God is love it is the very core of his heart and who he is. And I understand full well that evil ppl and such would as you say eat me for breakfast but I will gladly die for them anyways because this si what love is and this is what it means to be a Christian.
 
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Jason0047 said:
You ask vague questions with no real specifics. Explain a little more of where you are coming from. Do you believe in a sin and still be saved doctrine? Do you believe you will forever be a slave to your sin? If so, then why did Jesus say, he that sins is a slave to sin? Does it sound like Jesus was saying that to the Pharisees in a postive way?

Also, explain what you are talking about with the Temple in 70 AD in regards to this topic. How does that really help your case here?
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if you cant follow times and dates,only gos to show, the on person your fooling is your self.
no goal,
when you answer question one
question 1) did you read the bible before 70 ad or after.
see if you want to quote in context,

answer question 1.

again keep you verbs and nouns.

ware did you get you meaning to what sin is.
 
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ember said:
which translation are you using? God sent His Son to die while we were still sinners and there was nothing worth dying for

those who do not believe in Jesus will separated from God for eternity...God sees no good in us other then His Son
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if there was nothing worth dying for then he wouldn't have done it would he?
 
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Jason0047 said:
How many people who hold to sinless perfectionism actually behave that way, though?

Jesus said you will know a tree by it's fruit.

I can count more people who believe in OSAS that were just as nasty and mean.
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Every sinless perfectionist I've met accuses other Christians of being unbelievers or spiritually inferior to them.
 
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royalscot said:
if you cant follow times and dates,only gos to show, the on person your fooling is your self.
no goal,
when you answer question one
question 1) did you read the bible before 70 ad or after.
see if you want to quote in context,

answer question 1.

again keep you verbs and nouns.

ware did you get you meaning to what sin is.
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Are you a Preterist or Historicist?
If you are, I do not see those positions as being Biblical in the slightest.
 
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sparkman said:
Every sinless perfectionist I've met accuses other Christians of being unbelievers or spiritually inferior to them.
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Well, if other believers are thinking they can sin and still be saved and they believe they will be a slave to their sin, then what these true believers are saying against those who still sin is true. One who sins is not in favor with God. For if they were... then God would be unrighteous.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Are you a Preterist or Historicist?
If you are, I do not see those positions as being Biblical in the slightest.
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when you can answer a simple question, again keep you verbs and noun. seems, you cant even read a simple question yet continue regardless. is there a watch tower some ware around here.

answer question 1, did you read the bible before 70 ad or after.

no goal,

when did you get the bible.
 
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When did I get the Bible? Sometime after I got saved in 1992.
 
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when your come back with context, then you find out, who is naive.
 
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Blain said:
UGH sinless perfection is a deadly virus that never goes away..... If I was exposed to this doctrine when I first became saved I would have lost my faith. Do ppl even consider the damage they do to ppl with their self centered beliefs?
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Amen to that for sure.......
 
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royalscot said:
when your come back with context, then you find out, who is naive.
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What context? Can you show it to us? Why all the mystery and vague questions? Tell it to me straight. Why do you think a believer can sin and still be saved? How on Earth do you think that is not evil? Why do you think God who is Holy and good would allow His people to sin a little on the side and be saved?
 
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