SINLESS PERFECTIONISTS - DO YOU MEASURE UP AGAINST THE BIBLICAL DESCRIPTIONS OF SIN?
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Soundbite?? It's the truth.
It is true that all men sin. If you are a man, descended from Adam (as all of us are), you sin.
The book that tells us we sin is the Word of God. In fact, the book says that if we claim we don't sin, we are deceived, and the truth is not in us.
Plus, life proves it true.
Please explain what Luke 3:4 has to do with men sinning.
My heart is committed to understanding the truth, and doing my best to live for the Lord Jesus Christ.
(not my type of music, BTW..)
Note that I am not excusing sin, nor promoting it in any way. All Christians should do their best NOT to sin.
It is true that all men sin. If you are a man, descended from Adam (as all of us are), you sin.
The book that tells us we sin is the Word of God. In fact, the book says that if we claim we don't sin, we are deceived, and the truth is not in us.
Plus, life proves it true.
Please explain what Luke 3:4 has to do with men sinning.
My heart is committed to understanding the truth, and doing my best to live for the Lord Jesus Christ.
(not my type of music, BTW..)
Note that I am not excusing sin, nor promoting it in any way. All Christians should do their best NOT to sin.
No it is just the general understanding of what he said is wrong.
Please follow along.
Please follow along.
.... if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another , and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 1 John 1:7
All means All. And incidentally we cannot walk in darkness and in light at the same time as verse 6 says.
Verse 8. If we say that we have no sin, we deceiveourselves, and the truth is not in us.
The word sin here is a noun in the Greek; a state. Not a verb; which would be an action; sinning. We can have sin that has not yet been confessed and cleansed (set apart from us) but at the same time time has not been acted on either. For example; lusting after woman. We reach a point where we are not even lusting after them with our eyes; but the thought pops in our minds. Which would if not checked through confession take root and bear fruit unto death. If we assent that it is a sin and confess it before it bears fruit. GOD is faithful and will cleanse us from it as verse 9 says. This verse is being said in relation to verse 7. It does not say that we will or have sin until the day we die. Otherwise the statement," and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin" Would be a lie making John a liar; which he is not.
9. If we confess our sins (the noun before it becomes a verb; an action), he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and tocleanse us from all unrighteousness.
All means all.
10. If we say that we HAVE NOT sinned [this is the verb and is in the past tense] , we make him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Sinned here is a verb in the Greek. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD. That is why we need Jesus. Due to the sin that is in our being trying to be an action.
To even further emphasize this point John uses these same two Greek words again in the same letter in the same manner holding to this understanding of the language. Here look it is in
If any man see his brother sin (verb) a sin (noun) which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
Never loss Hope. Not that we will sin but if we do John says, My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have a Helper toward the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
(1Jn 2:1)
To even further emphasize this point John uses these same two Greek words again in the same letter in the same manner holding to this understanding of the language. Here look it is in
1John 5:16
:If any man see his brother sin (verb) a sin (noun) which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
Never loss Hope. Not that we will sin but if we do John says, My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have a Helper toward the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
(1Jn 2:1)
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No HE has not. HE has made it clear that all have sinned, not that all continue in sin that grace abound. How can we that are dead in Christ Jesus live any longer therein. For With man this is and was impossible. But with GOD all things are possible. As We know He was manifested to take away our sin. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being separated from sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes we were healed. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. Even as is a direct comparison. So how was Jesus doing righteousness? John tells us in verse 14:10, "the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." Know ye not that we are the TEMPLE of GOD and that HIS Spirit dwelleth in us? It is HE as it was in Christ that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. As HE so are we to be in this world!
(1Pet 2:24; 1John 3:7)
In regards to Romans 3:23 let's have a closer look shall we.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ into all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
For all have sinned is what the text says; not all are continuing in sin. For the righteousness of GOD without the Law is manifested (has become visible). The righteousness which is by the FAITH of Jesus Christ. That which is into all and upon all them that believe. For Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness sake to all that believe. For we are dead nevertheless we live yet not us but Christ liveth in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith of the Son of God. For GOD has said, "Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (That is, to bring Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments; HIS Statutes) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (That is, to bring up Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments; HIS Statutes again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; the Word, the commandments; HIS Statutes manifested in the flesh, our flesh through His flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, in thy heart, and in thy hand: that we may do it; that is, THE WORD OF FAITH, which we preach. And that is the Gospel, the Kingdom of GOD (CHRIST) in you. For GOD hath said, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them." And HE shall be our GOD and we shall be HIS people, for it is GOD that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Christ (the Word, His Commandments, GOD's will) in us the hope of Glory. For without this faith (the Word; HIS Christ; His Commandments; HIS Statutes in our hearts and in our minds) it is impossible to please GOD. This the righteousness of GOD being manifested. The righteousness which is by the Faith of Jesus Christ; into all and upon all them that believe for there is no difference.
The verses in Romans 10:6-8; Deut. 30:11-14 ; Hebrews 8:10,11; Jeremiah 31:33 are all speaking of GOD's gift of enabling us through HIS Spirit to be as HE would have us be. They are speaking the same thing. Please notice that this gift which is the Good News; the Gospel was availed to us from the beginning of Moses ministry if not even from the time of the fall in Eden. If Enoch walk with GOD he walked though GOD to do it. Romans 10 is paraphrasing the text found in Deut. 30. Which is being given by GOD through Moses in the present tense. So once again we share; let's walk in Faith; the FAITH and we shall, not fulfill the lust of the flesh!. Christ in us the EXPECTATION of GLORY; GOD!
(Rom 3:20-23,31; 5:2,19 KJV)
In regards to Romans 3:23 let's have a closer look shall we.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ into all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
For all have sinned is what the text says; not all are continuing in sin. For the righteousness of GOD without the Law is manifested (has become visible). The righteousness which is by the FAITH of Jesus Christ. That which is into all and upon all them that believe. For Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness sake to all that believe. For we are dead nevertheless we live yet not us but Christ liveth in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith of the Son of God. For GOD has said, "Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (That is, to bring Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments; HIS Statutes) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (That is, to bring up Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments; HIS Statutes again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; the Word, the commandments; HIS Statutes manifested in the flesh, our flesh through His flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, in thy heart, and in thy hand: that we may do it; that is, THE WORD OF FAITH, which we preach. And that is the Gospel, the Kingdom of GOD (CHRIST) in you. For GOD hath said, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them." And HE shall be our GOD and we shall be HIS people, for it is GOD that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Christ (the Word, His Commandments, GOD's will) in us the hope of Glory. For without this faith (the Word; HIS Christ; His Commandments; HIS Statutes in our hearts and in our minds) it is impossible to please GOD. This the righteousness of GOD being manifested. The righteousness which is by the Faith of Jesus Christ; into all and upon all them that believe for there is no difference.
The verses in Romans 10:6-8; Deut. 30:11-14 ; Hebrews 8:10,11; Jeremiah 31:33 are all speaking of GOD's gift of enabling us through HIS Spirit to be as HE would have us be. They are speaking the same thing. Please notice that this gift which is the Good News; the Gospel was availed to us from the beginning of Moses ministry if not even from the time of the fall in Eden. If Enoch walk with GOD he walked though GOD to do it. Romans 10 is paraphrasing the text found in Deut. 30. Which is being given by GOD through Moses in the present tense. So once again we share; let's walk in Faith; the FAITH and we shall, not fulfill the lust of the flesh!. Christ in us the EXPECTATION of GLORY; GOD!
(Rom 3:20-23,31; 5:2,19 KJV)
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So you do teach sinless perfection? God has made it clear that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) and He has also made it clear that if we say we have no sin (present tense) we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:8) and if we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
In regards to "shall we continue in sin" in Romans 6:1, the word "continue" means to practice or to habitually yield to sin, which is not descriptive of children of God (1 John 3:9). Living a sinful lifestyle is a daily practice of premeditated sin, with no goal or effort to stop. No repentance, just bring it on. This does not mean that believers never stumble and sin at all though.
In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, we read that the gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. To BELIEVE the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, yet sadly, the gospel continues to be perverted today by works-salvationists, such as Roman Catholics, Mormons, SDA's and misguided, modern day teachers of the law in general.
Under the New Covenant, there is a distinctive element to the content of the gospel which is called "the mystery of the gospel" (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3). This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow-heirs and fellow-members of the body, and fellow-partakers of the promise (Ephesians 3:6). Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body was previously unknown, prior to the apostle Paul receiving a revelation from Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12; Ephesians 3:1-12). The distinctive message of the church is that Jew and Gentile alike may believe the gospel and be united together into ONE BODY (Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 12:13).
"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).
It sounds to me like you are confused about the gospel of grace and you also mix the Old and New Covenants together.
In regards to "shall we continue in sin" in Romans 6:1, the word "continue" means to practice or to habitually yield to sin, which is not descriptive of children of God (1 John 3:9). Living a sinful lifestyle is a daily practice of premeditated sin, with no goal or effort to stop. No repentance, just bring it on. This does not mean that believers never stumble and sin at all though.
In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, we read that the gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. To BELIEVE the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, yet sadly, the gospel continues to be perverted today by works-salvationists, such as Roman Catholics, Mormons, SDA's and misguided, modern day teachers of the law in general.
Under the New Covenant, there is a distinctive element to the content of the gospel which is called "the mystery of the gospel" (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3). This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow-heirs and fellow-members of the body, and fellow-partakers of the promise (Ephesians 3:6). Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body was previously unknown, prior to the apostle Paul receiving a revelation from Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12; Ephesians 3:1-12). The distinctive message of the church is that Jew and Gentile alike may believe the gospel and be united together into ONE BODY (Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 12:13).
"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).
It sounds to me like you are confused about the gospel of grace and you also mix the Old and New Covenants together.
The verb Sinned is in the past tense .
For now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ into all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference. So say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (That is, to bring Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments; HIS Statutes) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (That is, to bring up Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments; HIS Statutes again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; the Word, the commandments; HIS Statutes manifested in the flesh, our flesh through His flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, in thy heart, and in thy hand: that we may do it; that is, THE WORD OF FAITH, which we preach
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Because it; the Word; HIS Commands; HIS Statutes; HIS Christ is nigh us. In our hearts and in our mouths and in our hands that we do it. That is the word of Faith in which we speak. For the LORD will circumcise our heart and the heart of our seed!
(Rom 3:21-22,31; 10:6-8; Deut 30:6,11 - 14 LXX)
There is a difference between having (processing; which is a verb) sin ( sin; being a noun which is a thing) and committing sin. Which would be putting the noun into action.
Please follow along.
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth (verb) not: whosoever sinneth (verb) hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth (verb) sin (noun) is of the devil; for the devil sinneth (Verb) from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (verb) sin (the noun); for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot be sinning (verb), because he is born of God.
(1Jn 3:6-9 KJV)
GOD through John is makes a distinction between having sin and committing sin.
We can have sin that has not yet been confessed and cleansed (set apart from us) but at the same time has not been acted on either.
For example; lusting after woman. We reach a point where we are not even lusting after them with our eyes; but the thought pops in our minds because we are still in the flesh. Mind you; we are in the flesh walking in the Spirit modifying the deeds of the body. Which would if not checked through confession take root and bear fruit unto death. If we assent that it is a sin and confess it before it bears fruit. GOD is faithful and will forgive (Send it forth) and cleanse us from it as verse 9 says. This verse is being said in relation to verse 7. It does not say that we will sin it says we have sin.. Otherwise the statement," and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all unrighteousness" Would be a lie making John a liar; which he is not.
All means all.
10. If we say that we HAVE NOT sinned [this is the verb and is in the past tense] , we make him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Sinned here is a verb in the Greek. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD. That is why we need Jesus. Due to the sin that is in our being trying to be an action.
To even further emphasize this point John uses these same two Greek words again but in relation to one another in the same letter in the same manner holding to this understanding of the language. Here look it is in 1John 5:16 :
If any man see his brother sin (verb) a sin (noun) which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
Never lose Hope. Not that we will sin but if we do John says, My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have a Helper toward the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
(1Jn 2:1)
For now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ into all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference. So say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (That is, to bring Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments; HIS Statutes) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (That is, to bring up Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments; HIS Statutes again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; the Word, the commandments; HIS Statutes manifested in the flesh, our flesh through His flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, in thy heart, and in thy hand: that we may do it; that is, THE WORD OF FAITH, which we preach
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Because it; the Word; HIS Commands; HIS Statutes; HIS Christ is nigh us. In our hearts and in our mouths and in our hands that we do it. That is the word of Faith in which we speak. For the LORD will circumcise our heart and the heart of our seed!
(Rom 3:21-22,31; 10:6-8; Deut 30:6,11 - 14 LXX)
There is a difference between having (processing; which is a verb) sin ( sin; being a noun which is a thing) and committing sin. Which would be putting the noun into action.
Please follow along.
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth (verb) not: whosoever sinneth (verb) hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth (verb) sin (noun) is of the devil; for the devil sinneth (Verb) from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (verb) sin (the noun); for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot be sinning (verb), because he is born of God.
(1Jn 3:6-9 KJV)
GOD through John is makes a distinction between having sin and committing sin.
For example; lusting after woman. We reach a point where we are not even lusting after them with our eyes; but the thought pops in our minds because we are still in the flesh. Mind you; we are in the flesh walking in the Spirit modifying the deeds of the body. Which would if not checked through confession take root and bear fruit unto death. If we assent that it is a sin and confess it before it bears fruit. GOD is faithful and will forgive (Send it forth) and cleanse us from it as verse 9 says. This verse is being said in relation to verse 7. It does not say that we will sin it says we have sin.. Otherwise the statement," and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all unrighteousness" Would be a lie making John a liar; which he is not.
9. If we confess our sins (the noun before it becomes a verb; an action), he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
All means all.
10. If we say that we HAVE NOT sinned [this is the verb and is in the past tense] , we make him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Sinned here is a verb in the Greek. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD. That is why we need Jesus. Due to the sin that is in our being trying to be an action.
To even further emphasize this point John uses these same two Greek words again but in relation to one another in the same letter in the same manner holding to this understanding of the language. Here look it is in 1John 5:16 :
If any man see his brother sin (verb) a sin (noun) which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
Never lose Hope. Not that we will sin but if we do John says, My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have a Helper toward the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
(1Jn 2:1)
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There is a difference between having (pocessing; which is a verb) sin ( sin; being a noun which is a thing) and committing sin. Which would be putting the noun into action.
Please follow along in the same letter.
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth (verb) not: whosoever sinneth (verb) hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth (verb) sin (noun) is of the devil; for the devil sinneth (Verb) from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (verb) sin (the noun); for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot be sinning (verb), because he is born of God.
(1Jn 3:6-9 KJV)
Please follow along in the same letter.
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth (verb) not: whosoever sinneth (verb) hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth (verb) sin (noun) is of the devil; for the devil sinneth (Verb) from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (verb) sin (the noun); for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot be sinning (verb), because he is born of God.
(1Jn 3:6-9 KJV)
GOD through John makes a clear distinction between having sin and committing sin.
We can have sin that has not yet been confessed and cleansed (set apart from us) but at the same time has not been acted on either. For we are to be walking in the Spirit mortifying the deeds of the flesh.
For example; lusting after woman. We reach a point where we are not even lusting after them with our eyes; but the thought pops in our minds because we are still in the flesh. Mind you; we are in the flesh walking in the Spirit modifying the deeds of the body. Which would if not checked through confession take root and bear fruit unto death. If we assent that it is a sin and confess it before it bears fruit. GOD is faithful and will forgive (Send it forth) and cleanse us from it as verse 9 says. This verse is being said in relation to verse 7. It does not say that we will sin it says we have sin.. Otherwise the statement," and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all unrighteousness" Would be a lie making John a liar; which he is not.
For example; lusting after woman. We reach a point where we are not even lusting after them with our eyes; but the thought pops in our minds because we are still in the flesh. Mind you; we are in the flesh walking in the Spirit modifying the deeds of the body. Which would if not checked through confession take root and bear fruit unto death. If we assent that it is a sin and confess it before it bears fruit. GOD is faithful and will forgive (Send it forth) and cleanse us from it as verse 9 says. This verse is being said in relation to verse 7. It does not say that we will sin it says we have sin.. Otherwise the statement," and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all unrighteousness" Would be a lie making John a liar; which he is not.
9. If we confess our sins (the noun before it becomes a verb; an action), he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
All means all.
10. If we say that we HAVE NOT sinned [this is the verb and is in the past tense] , we make him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Sinned here is a verb in the Greek. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD. That is why we need Jesus. Due to the sin that is in our being trying to be an action.
To even further emphasize this point John uses these same two Greek words again but this time in direct relation to one another in the same letter in the same manner holding to this understanding of the language. Here it is in 1John 5:16 :
If any man see his brother sin (verb) a sin (noun) which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
Never lose Hope. Not that we will sin but if we do John says, My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have a Helper toward the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
(1Jn 2:1)
To even further emphasize this point John uses these same two Greek words again but this time in direct relation to one another in the same letter in the same manner holding to this understanding of the language. Here it is in 1John 5:16 :
If any man see his brother sin (verb) a sin (noun) which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
Never lose Hope. Not that we will sin but if we do John says, My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have a Helper toward the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
(1Jn 2:1)